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[Giggles_Manically]

That is probably why you cant recruit anyone else besides Loghain right there



Really though how was Riordan supposed to know that you and Alistair dont know the most important thing about being a grey warden?



That is like asking a firefighter if he knows where to point the hose.

[Maria13]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Oh really? When the choices were the death of you, your lover or best friend, or creation of a child with the soul of an old god to be raised by a selfish, power-hungry witch?


Clearly you don't know this pre-Landsmeet, but when a senior Warden says you need all the Grey Wardens you can get your hands on you'd have to be pretty thick/emotionally blinded by rage not to listen...

My point was that the additional warden does not have to be Loghain who is in many ways unsuitable.  Hell, Riordan should have gone to Denerim jail and recruited one of the thugs there.

[Giggles_Manically]

Except that Loghain is the only one who knows where the AD blood is.

[_Somebody]

Maria13 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Oh really? When the choices were the death of you, your lover or best friend, or creation of a child with the soul of an old god to be raised by a selfish, power-hungry witch?


Clearly you don't know this pre-Landsmeet, but when a senior Warden says you need all the Grey Wardens you can get your hands on you'd have to be pretty thick/emotionally blinded by rage not to listen...

My point was that the additional warden does not have to be Loghain who is in many ways unsuitable.  Hell, Riordan should have gone to Denerim jail and recruited one of the thugs there.

Well they always try to pick people that stand out, and are the best.

Modifié par Somebody, 02 février 2011 - 04:23 .

[Maria13]

Zjarcal wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

Plus Duncan would be aware that doing so would alienate Alistair.

I highly doubt angering Alistair would stop Duncan from making a particular decision.

Granted, in normal circumstances, but if Alistair is one of only two extant wardens then you risk losing/disaffecting half of your squad, not a good situation to be in when you have an archdemon to take down in a few days' time.

[inclemency]

They don't know that yet, Maria. When the Landsmeet takes place it's not an immediate life/death situation. Riordan still thinks the Orlesians will get there before the AD turns up.

[Maria13]

Somebody wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Oh really? When the choices were the death of you, your lover or best friend, or creation of a child with the soul of an old god to be raised by a selfish, power-hungry witch?


Clearly you don't know this pre-Landsmeet, but when a senior Warden says you need all the Grey Wardens you can get your hands on you'd have to be pretty thick/emotionally blinded by rage not to listen...

My point was that the additional warden does not have to be Loghain who is in many ways unsuitable.  Hell, Riordan should have gone to Denerim jail and recruited one of the thugs there.

Well they always try to pick people that stand out, and are the best

But the best at what? Treachery? Betrayal?  Loghain is a powerful fighter but he is past it.  Better to recruit some callow empty headed youth who will obey orders unquestioningly than an wiley old general.

[_Somebody]

Maria13 wrote...

Somebody wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Oh really? When the choices were the death of you, your lover or best friend, or creation of a child with the soul of an old god to be raised by a selfish, power-hungry witch?


Clearly you don't know this pre-Landsmeet, but when a senior Warden says you need all the Grey Wardens you can get your hands on you'd have to be pretty thick/emotionally blinded by rage not to listen...

My point was that the additional warden does not have to be Loghain who is in many ways unsuitable.  Hell, Riordan should have gone to Denerim jail and recruited one of the thugs there.

Well they always try to pick people that stand out, and are the best

But the best at what? Treachery? Betrayal?  Loghain is a powerful fighter but he is past it.  Better to recruit some callow empty headed youth who will obey orders unquestioningly than an wiley old general.

Well from what we saw in the early recruits, Daveth was someone that was quick and stealthy I guess. And Jory was one of the better knights of Redcliff. We should have made one of our companions a Grey Warden. 

Modifié par Somebody, 02 février 2011 - 04:27 .

[Yankee23]

Can someone refresh my memory as to why we think that Loghain has the archie blood?

[Maria13]

inclemency wrote...

They don't know that yet, Maria. When the Landsmeet takes place it's not an immediate life/death situation. Riordan still thinks the Orlesians will get there before the AD turns up.

And that's true but you need to factor into your calculations the possibility that the Orlesians might not make it and if the amount of new GWs you can make is limited, I would say Loghain is not an outstanding choice.  I note in passing that Ali, Daveth and Ser Jory are all young and relatively inexperienced and so would be more amenable to obeying orders.

[_Somebody]

Yankee23 wrote...

Can someone refresh my memory as to why we think that Loghain has the archie blood?

I think he moved all the stuff from the Grey Warden cache after he returned from Ostagar.

[inclemency]

Riordan said the cache of AD blood was gone and he was able to put Loghein through a joining. The only logical conclusion is that Loghein had the blood.  Don't know why Loghein had the joining in private without our Warden being there.

Modifié par inclemency, 02 février 2011 - 04:32 .

[Yankee23]

That's what makes no sense to me. Loghain found out about the GW stash...took archie blood and nothing else and locked the door behind him?

[Giggles_Manically]

Maybe because he thought everything else was useless?

Its just some average gear really.

[Addai]

Mezzil wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...

That last part is especially true. Loghain can be recruited because he presumably does indeed know where the AD blood is, and can perform the ritual in the game . If he is executed, there are no other joinings until after the blight when you get new AD blood.

And if you recruit Loghain, there is still no more Joinings until after the Blight. Riordan wants only Loghain.

I imagine Riordan is thinking they will need someone to take the final blow in case he fails.  It would be wise, certainly, for them to be putting anyone and everyone through the Joining, and they typically try to recruit young people, but I'm sure here the plot constraints kick in.  Story-wise it's set up so that the armies are moving right after the LM and the final battle shortly after that, so I suppose the idea is that there's no time to do more recruiting.  Even though game-wise you can still wander around Thedas doing side quests before going to Redcliffe.

[Addai]

Yankee23 wrote...

That's what makes no sense to me. Loghain found out about the GW stash...took archie blood and nothing else and locked the door behind him?

And documents.  Other than that there's just random weapons and armor, nothing too great.  Riordan probably sealed the door again when he went to check the vault.

[Giggles_Manically]

Mezzil wrote...

You have party members right there that you could put through the Joining. That was actually what BioWare wanted to let you do. Though you'd have to do it because they got tainted.

Where did you hear that?

[Addai]

Mezzil wrote...

You have party members right there that you could put through the Joining. That was actually what BioWare wanted to let you do. Though you'd have to do it because they got tainted.

That would have been interesting, though it would have lessened the drama of the DR.  Personally I like the story as it is, even if you have to fudge a little to believe that there really are only three or four people in Ferelden who can end the Blight.

[Yankee23]

Addai67 wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

That's what makes no sense to me. Loghain found out about the GW stash...took archie blood and nothing else and locked the door behind him?

And documents.  Other than that there's just random weapons and armor, nothing too great.  Riordan probably sealed the door again when he went to check the vault.

Not that it really matters but I thought he took the documents from Riordan when he was captured?

[errant_knight]

Mezzil wrote...

There's a comment somewhere on these boards where Gaider says you don't need archdemon blood. You need potent enough darkspawn blood. Which is either archdemon blood, or you can take some plain darkspawn blood and get mages to purify it.

Wow, that's a big honkin' handwave, isn't it?

[Addai]

Yankee23 wrote...

Not that it really matters but I thought he took the documents from Riordan when he was captured?

Oh, right, that's true.