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[inclemency]

I've done that, too, Elysis, it was just one particular game with a warden whose personality got away from me that the bad stuff happened as I described. It was supposed to be a Grey Wardens ending.

Modifié par inclemency, 04 février 2011 - 12:18 .

[Persephone]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I cant put myself before others no matter how hard I try.

Especially in cases where the consequences might be catastrophic not just for a few but ALL OF THEDAS and the world. My Wardens will never place "true wuv" with Alistair above the fate of the world. Not that I've never done the DR. Or never done it for selfish reasons. But there was always more to it than that.

[Zjarcal]

^^^ That's the beauty of the game... we can play however we want!

[Tigress M]

Zjarcal wrote...

^^^ That's the beauty of the game... we can play however we want!

Agreed!  And we can change how we play as our own (or our Warden's) views change.  It's one of the things that has kept me coming back to this game time and time again for the past year.

[Maricsblade]

inclemency wrote...

I've done that, too, Elysis, it was just one particular game with a warden whose personality got away from me that the bad stuff happened as I described. It was supposed to be a Grey Wardens ending.

Maybe this has been around forever and I missed it because I'm a n00b, but this is SO awesome and SO going in my collection!

[Maricsblade]

Edit:  Deleted a repeat post. Damn, this software is slow sometimes.

Modifié par alisgirl, 04 février 2011 - 12:53 .

[Yankee23]

inclemency wrote...

I've done that, too, Elysis, it was just one particular game with a warden whose personality got away from me that the bad stuff happened as I described. It was supposed to be a Grey Wardens ending.

[reluctantly snipped]

Modifié par Yankee23, 04 février 2011 - 12:57 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I cant put myself before others no matter how hard I try.

Especially in cases where the consequences might be catastrophic not just for a few but ALL OF THEDAS and the world. My Wardens will never place "true wuv" with Alistair above the fate of the world. Not that I've never done the DR. Or never done it for selfish reasons. But there was always more to it than that.

Nor would my Warden place love for Morrigan above everything else, or greatly above his own interests.

My rational on doing the DR put emphasis on the immediate concern of defeating the Archdemon. With the Ritual, the archdemon can be killed by a non-Warden and still be defeated. There are only 3 Wardens in the battle. Arcturus had no guarantee that either of them will live long enough to fight the Archdemon , let alone kill it. It was in large part thanks to sheer luck that we do. But with the Ritual, it didn't matter who killed the Archdemon. So it improved our chances a bit.

Also Arcturus had no intention of dying after everything he's done and achieved unless absolutely necessary and yes, it's selfish. But he does not view it as exclusive with the common good. He believed that Ferelden would do much better if he was still alive after the crisis.

The long term concern, which is of course valid, vis a vis the potential disaster the OGB can turn out to be, depends a lot on how much you trust Morrigan and her intelligence. Arcturus was most certainly concerned and that was a key reason for him to follow Morrigan through the mirror, so he can have a hand in raising the OGB. But he trusted Morrigan enough to expect her to not be a destructive maniac, or stupid enough to do something that has a high chance of resulting in a catastrophe.

But Arcturus knew, or was close to Morrigan enough to believe that with a reasonable amount of certainty. I can understand others not feeling the same way and I've argued that those same people have a valid reason for wanting to stab Morrigan in WH (though I'd argue that doing so while having done the DR to be a bit imprudent).  
Furthermore, he had her ring and he thought that he could track Morrigan down after (I rp that he dispatched scouts to look for her). Underestimated Morrigan's resolve there, but he certainly was trying to get back into contact with her.

While he didn't blindly believe it, he had no reason to compeltely dismiss Morrigan's claim that the OGB will be a purified form free from corruption (and he is fascinated by the Tevinter imperium, it must be said). So he saw a lot of potential. I often say that the only thing I hate is waste, something I modelled Arcturus after. Destroying such a creature, to him, is a tremendous waste, if risky. That perhaps was the main reason why he wanted to join Morrigan in mirror land. Not only does he refuse to be a pawn of fate, waiting to be subjected to a change outside of his power while he could be active in changing the world according to his designs (waiting for Bioware to slap mme hard vis a vis this though), he also saw it as his duty and an opportunity to raise the OGB to be something great that Thedas has never yet seen. 

All in all though, it's I believe, a calculated risk. But it certainly involved much much more than just doing what his love Morrigan wanted. In fact he respected (something Morrimancers disagree with me on) that Morrigan was straight to the point and avoided emoitionalizing the whole thing. She didn't offer as much info as he would have liked, but she spared the pleasantries and didn't overdo the love thing, which he would have interpretted as attempts to manipulate his feelings. Because she didn't do this, he did not doubt her love for him and was able to take her seriously.  

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 février 2011 - 01:58 .

[Maricsblade]

SilverSentinel wrote...

My warden is often selfless, but there is a limit

Alistair: so now that I am King, I don't think we can be together anymore
Lorialis Cousland: you so did not just say that to me Alistair
Alistair: the thing is now that I am....{{{gargle, gargle, hrmph}}} owy! >>>Alistair dies
Lorialis Cousland: Awww, it fell down.

Oh, definitely. And he's not even particularly sympathetic if you try to discuss it again. On my next playthrough he finally mentioned the heir problem when I said, "Actually, I don't think there's a future for us," and suddenly he seemed weak or conniving for having "withheld" it all that time the first time.

Is he just so convinced (if unhardened) that he won't become king that it doesn't even occur to him to mention it?

[inclemency]

alisgirl wrote...

inclemency wrote...

I've done that, too, Elysis, it was just one particular game with a warden whose personality got away from me that the bad stuff happened as I described. It was supposed to be a Grey Wardens ending.

snip

Maybe this has been around forever and I missed it because I'm a n00b, but this is SO awesome and SO going in my collection!

I made it just a couple of weeks ago

Should have put the dressed pic up first 

Modifié par inclemency, 04 février 2011 - 01:04 .

[Maricsblade]

inclemency wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

inclemency wrote...

I've done that, too, Elysis, it was just one particular game with a warden whose personality got away from me that the bad stuff happened as I described. It was supposed to be a Grey Wardens ending.

snip

Maybe this has been around forever and I missed it because I'm a n00b, but this is SO awesome and SO going in my collection!

I made it just a couple of weeks ago

Should have put the dressed pic up first 

Yeah, it is a bit anticlimactic ;-)

[Glorfindel709]

@KoP



I had a weird thought last night while I was thinking of the Dalish Elf Magi Origin I want to write >.> <.< Does anyone ever imagine the Warden using the dark ritual in order to ensure that the Archdemon can infact be killed, but once that threat is taken care of, the warden decides to "take care of" the OGB before it can become an issue (ie Kill Morrigan on the rooftop of Fort Drakon before she can disappear)

[KnightofPhoenix]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

@KoP

I had a weird thought last night while I was thinking of the Dalish Elf Magi Origin I want to write >.> <.< Does anyone ever imagine the Warden using the dark ritual in order to ensure that the Archdemon can infact be killed, but once that threat is taken care of, the warden decides to "take care of" the OGB before it can become an issue (ie Kill Morrigan on the rooftop of Fort Drakon before she can disappear)

Why not, my 2nd canon Dain Aeducan thought that way. Of course he underestimated Morrigan too.

[Yankee23]

Smut day!

Modifié par Yankee23, 04 février 2011 - 01:25 .

[_Somebody]

I wonder, if a regular guy kills the archdemon, and it goes into some other darkspawn, does that darkspawn lead the horde and stay as it is or become a dragon? 

Modifié par Somebody, 04 février 2011 - 01:25 .

[Sarah1281]

Morrigan probably disappears the second you stab it (shape-changer, remember?) which is before you get a chance to.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I cant put myself before others no matter how hard I try.

Especially in cases where the consequences might be catastrophic not just for a few but ALL OF THEDAS and the world. My Wardens will never place "true wuv" with Alistair above the fate of the world. Not that I've never done the DR. Or never done it for selfish reasons. But there was always more to it than that.

Nor would my Warden place love for Morrigan above everything else, or greatly above his own interests.

My rational on doing the DR put emphasis on the immediate concern of defeating the Archdemon. With the Ritual, the archdemon can be killed by a non-Warden and still be defeated. There are only 3 Wardens in the battle. Arcturus had no guarantee that either of them will live long enough to fight the Archdemon , let alone kill it. It was in large part thanks to sheer luck that we do. But with the Ritual, it didn't matter who killed the Archdemon. So it improved our chances a bit.

I could've sworn Gaider debunked this.

The Warden (the taint specifically) is a conduit so any Warden must still kill the Archdemon for the soul to transfer. Supposedly.

Edit: That said I can't find the quote for the life of me. Too long ago.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 février 2011 - 01:28 .

[_Somebody]

@Rky- Im pretty sure I saw that somewhere too.

[Glorfindel709]

@Sarah Not if she was wounded during the fight. She doesnt have any ability with healing as she herself said, so say her arm gets broken or something while fighting Archie, how would she fly away? She'd at least need to get healed before she could go anywhere.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
I could've sworn Gaider debunked this.

The Warden (the taint specifically) is a conduit so any Warden must still kill the Archdemon for the soul to transfer. Supposedly.

Edit: That said I can't find the quote for the life of me. Too long ago.

So the Archdemon soul has to be transfered to a Warden, and then to the baby?
But Morrigan said that the Archdemon soul would follow the child like a beacon. I do not remember her specifying anything, and Riordan wouldn't know as he wouldn't be accustomed to a DR.

Oh well, the game failed to convey that impression with its vagueness, and since my Warden did not have the luxury of reading Gaider's comment, it wouldn't matter in the game.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 février 2011 - 01:32 .

[maxernst]

alisgirl wrote...

SilverSentinel wrote...

My warden is often selfless, but there is a limit

Alistair: so now that I am King, I don't think we can be together anymore
Lorialis Cousland: you so did not just say that to me Alistair
Alistair: the thing is now that I am....{{{gargle, gargle, hrmph}}} owy! >>>Alistair dies
Lorialis Cousland: Awww, it fell down.

Oh, definitely. And he's not even particularly sympathetic if you try to discuss it again. On my next playthrough he finally mentioned the heir problem when I said, "Actually, I don't think there's a future for us," and suddenly he seemed weak or conniving for having "withheld" it all that time the first time.

Is he just so convinced (if unhardened) that he won't become king that it doesn't even occur to him to mention it?

Well, he does mention it if you ask him "where do you see this as going? "  He tells you that he's worried about what his becoming king could mean for you.  In fact, if you tell him that all that matters is that you care for each other, you get a fairly hefty disapproval.

There aren't very many things that the companion characters will actually bring up on their own.  And I've always thought that an elf or a mage ought to have seen enough evidence of their status in game that it should be obvious that it could present an obstacle to marrying or even having a relationship with a King.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
I could've sworn Gaider debunked this.

The Warden (the taint specifically) is a conduit so any Warden must still kill the Archdemon for the soul to transfer. Supposedly.

Edit: That said I can't find the quote for the life of me. Too long ago.

So the Archdemon soul has to be transfered to a Warden, and then to the baby?
But Morrigan said that the Archdemon soul would follow the child like a beacon. I do not remember her specifying anything, and Riordan wouldn't know as he wouldn't be accustomed to a DR.

Oh well, the game failed to convey that impression with its vagueness, and since my Warden did not have the luxury of reading Gaider's comment, it wouldn't matter in the game.

Gaider said that the way they saw it, the soul went into the Dark Ritual and then into the baby but since they didn't put it into the game, you can feel free to ignore that.

[Thor Rand Al]

*Clears throat* hmm ya um more smut n considerin this will prob be all the smut I put in here today sorry about the flood lol.











He looks content lmao

[Glorfindel709]

Gah!!! Doing Urn of Sacred Ashes and just saw Wynne in her underwear.. with a prominent cameltoe *gags*

[_Somebody]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

Gah!!! Doing Urn of Sacred Ashes and just saw Wynne in her underwear.. with a prominent cameltoe *gags*

Maybe your warden will wake up in bed next to her later.