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[Catspaw]

errant_knight wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

Squeaking in just under the wire...

*snipped"

Edit: It always bugs me that there's no head rolling around on the ground. They just disappear into thin air!

I've heard that it's very hard to make heads come off and hit the ground in a way that doesn't look humorous.

TeeHee! Can you imagine! I can't get the commentary out of my head: "...and Alistair goes for the decap..he's using, yes, it looks like a Powerfull Swing, and he gets it! Yes, and there goes the head, and it's GGOOAAALL!!!!!!!  Great form he used there! Nice sword slanting to just tip the head into the corner of the goal completely keeping the Alpha offguard.  Wardens are now leading the darkspawn team 10 to 1"!:D:D

Gak! ToP Give me a few minutes... There - couldn't find a good Ali-cap, so you get one from Awakening. So Sorry:(

Modifié par Catspaw, 16 février 2011 - 10:40 .

[Tigress M]

All these noble ideas about what's best for the world are great. I love how a game can make you think like DAO does. For me though, the DR was an easy decision on my canon -- I wanted Alistair and I to live, period.

However, as I've said before, my thoughts about the DR have changed dramatically over time. Now, I don't think it's such a great idea. It's still my canon, but I have several saves where it hasn't been done because I have a feeling that's going to come back and bite me in the butt one of these days. lol

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

tuppence95 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

@Axe - Hi Axe!  Do you have a link to 
your latest version of moobistair?  I remember seeing it, but then it 
vanished and I never saw him again.  I think you posted it for the first
time in that Alistair troll topic.  Maybe just link it, cuz the sight 
of it might send people here into seizures?  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Hmm, I'd have to go digging.  Ask Skadi!  I'm sure she gets her lady-****** on with it regularly. 

I peeked into Skadi's profile, and I only see the original moobistair in her album. I can't even remember what the new one looked like, except that it was horrifying.

It was because the new and improved moobistair, with jiggling boobage and all, would not upload onto this site, so I had to use the non beareded, non jiggly one. It was simply too awesome for Bioware's servers to handle, and the boards might crash from the divine jiggly eminations of his glorious man-boobage. Plus The Beard.....

Moobistair.:wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:

[Tigress M]

I just had a thought. (Don't die in shock y'all.)
Anywho... I just got through talking to Alistair about Duncan and as usual, selected the line, "He had you." in response to Alistair saying Duncan didn't have any family to speak of. I use it because it's better than the other choices available, but I don't like because it doesn't make much sense for someone whom Duncan has only known for six months. But...

What if that was a left-over from version 1.0 of Alistair? If he were really in his 30's as he was originally supposed to be, he might have been in the Wardens a lot longer than six months. That would me an the "Junior" part of the dialog at Ostagar would have obviously been changed, but in a way, it doesn't make much sense for the youngest member of the Order to be responsible for protecting three raw recruits from Darkspawn... so maybe that was all added after Alistair's age and personality took a turn.

If Alistair was originally to have known Duncan longer than six months, it sure would make his grief over his loss much more understandable.  Not saying it doesn't make sense now, but it would mean a lot more if they'd known each other for years.  

Just an idea that made me stop and go "hmmmm?". lol

Modifié par Tigress M, 16 février 2011 - 02:45 .

[tuppence95]

Persephone wrote...

To my fellow Alistair-gals,

I'd like to rec a wonderful Alistair/Amell fic. The author, a dear friend of mine, just started out on FF.net. She has two chapters up so far and they are wonderful.

Read it here: www.fanfiction.net/s/6738621/1/

Happy reading!

Thanks, Persephone!  Due to my brain being a sieve, I try to limit myself to ff that's already complete.  But this looks interesting.  I'll add it to my list of ff I want to read.  :happy:

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

@Axe - Hi Axe!  Do you have a link to 
your latest version of moobistair?  I remember seeing it, but then it 
vanished and I never saw him again.  I think you posted it for the first
time in that Alistair troll topic.  Maybe just link it, cuz the sight 
of it might send people here into seizures?  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Hmm, I'd have to go digging.  Ask Skadi!  I'm sure she gets her lady-****** on with it regularly. 

I peeked into Skadi's profile, and I only see the original moobistair in her album. I can't even remember what the new one looked like, except that it was horrifying.

It was because the new and improved moobistair, with jiggling boobage and all, would not upload onto this site, so I had to use the non beareded, non jiggly one. It was simply too awesome for Bioware's servers to handle, and the boards might crash from the divine jiggly eminations of his glorious man-boobage. Plus The Beard.....

Moobistair.:wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:

Axe managed to save the new and improved moobistair!  As much as I <3<3<3 Alistair, I find the new moobistair strangely fascinating.  It was hard to tear my eyes away from him.

[Reika]

Tigress M wrote...

I just had a thought. (Don't die in shock y'all.)
Anywho... I just got through talking to Alistair about Duncan and as usual, selected the line, "He had you." in response to Alistair saying Duncan didn't have any family to speak of. I use it because it's better than the other choices available, but I don't like because it doesn't make much sense for someone whom Duncan has only known for six months. But...

As someone who knows what its like to not have a father growing up...it's pretty easy to latch onto a father figure, and I have my mother. I can't even imagine what it was like for Alistair who has such a big heart and starved for positive attention from any type of parental figure, which Duncan acted like.

Let's see, Alistair's biological father gave him up and wouldn't acknowledge him, Eamon shoved him off to the Chantry because of the harpy and it didn't seem like the man really gave Alistair a lot of attention, I got the impression Teagan gave him more. He was told his mother died giving birth... Yeah, I can see the quick attachment.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

tuppence95 wrote...


Axe managed to save the new and improved moobistair!  As much as I <3<3<3 Alistair, I find the new moobistair strangely fascinating.  It was hard to tear my eyes away from him.

It's the jiggling awesomeness. It's positively enthralling in it's jiggly awesomeness. I have the improved moobistair also saved, and when i wish to spread the love, I just use image shack. Alistair is the only one awesome enough to pull off such a feat.:wub:

[Tigress M]

Reika wrote...
As someone who knows what its like to not have a father growing up...it's pretty easy to latch onto a father figure, and I have my mother. I can't even imagine what it was like for Alistair who has such a big heart and starved for positive attention from any type of parental figure, which Duncan acted like.

Let's see, Alistair's biological father gave him up and wouldn't acknowledge him, Eamon shoved him off to the Chantry because of the harpy and it didn't seem like the man really gave Alistair a lot of attention, I got the impression Teagan gave him more. He was told his mother died giving birth... Yeah, I can see the quick attachment.

I wasn't saying that he couldn't have become quickly attached to Duncan.   Sorry, I obviously can't get a clear thought out so people can understand what I mean. 

I was trying to explain that from my Warden's perspective, not knowing anything about Alistair's horrid past at that point, that line about Duncan having Alistair as family would make a lot more sense if Alistair had known Duncan for years, not months. 

[Glorfindel709]

While I agree with Tigress that I think it's a carry over from original Alistair, I also was not surprised by how attached Alistair was to the one positive father-like figure he had in his life. My parents divorced when I was 2 and then my dad died when I was 11, so I know from my perspective that growing up without any sort of male figure in your life will lead to you latching on to the first real opportunity you see. I loved my mom and she took care of me, but between 11-19 the problems you have are not the kind you want to go to your mother about



But yeah, I agree that the "He had you" is probably an option from an older character design that was never removed.

[Reika]

I don't think it's a holdover. It's pretty clear from your initial conversations with Alistair is that he's very attached to Duncan with Duncan as a rescuer/father figure.

@Glor - If it's any comfort, I had problems going to my mother at those ages, and I'm female!

Modifié par Reika, 16 février 2011 - 04:58 .

[FenrisDeSolar]

Can someone explain to me why I've not posted here yet?! D:

[Lady Jess]

errant_knight wrote...

Why do you skip it? That's a pretty good fight!

I do the alienage, then the palace district. I just figure the elves need it more, then the cut scene comes and the AD is landing, Riordan is dead. We bust booty to the Arch Demon while it's landed.

[Tigress M]

What initial conversations, Reika? If you don't happen to speak to him at Ostagar, your Warden knows NOTHING about Alistair and asking him if he wants to talk about Duncan can be the very first conversation you have with him.

And even if you DO talk to him in Ostagar, all you know learn is that Duncan conscripted him... MABYE because he took pity on him. Or more logically, because he thought Alistair would make a good Warden since Duncan doesn't even save a DE out of pity and they're tainted already.

I've just always wondered why the PC would say that, not having a clue at that point and about Alistair's past.

But nevermind. I wasn't wanting to debate my observation... just wondering out loud if there was more than his age and demeanor that changed between the original concept of Alistair and what we actually see in the game.

@Fenris - Welcome.

[sevalaricgirl]

Tigress M wrote...

I just had a thought. (Don't die in shock y'all.)
Anywho... I just got through talking to Alistair about Duncan and as usual, selected the line, "He had you." in response to Alistair saying Duncan didn't have any family to speak of. I use it because it's better than the other choices available, but I don't like because it doesn't make much sense for someone whom Duncan has only known for six months. But...

What if that was a left-over from version 1.0 of Alistair? If he were really in his 30's as he was originally supposed to be, he might have been in the Wardens a lot longer than six months. That would me an the "Junior" part of the dialog at Ostagar would have obviously been changed, but in a way, it doesn't make much sense for the youngest member of the Order to be responsible for protecting three raw recruits from Darkspawn... so maybe that was all added after Alistair's age and personality took a turn.

If Alistair was originally to have known Duncan longer than six months, it sure would make his grief over his loss much more understandable.  Not saying it doesn't make sense now, but it would mean a lot more if they'd known each other for years.  

Just an idea that made me stop and go "hmmmm?". lol

You grow quickly attached to the man who saved you from a life you hated so I don't think it's a stretch.  My hubby and I were married after 4 months and we've been married for 22 years.  You can quickly grow attached to someone if you've never had anyone give a damn before.  Duncan was the first person who cared about what Alistair wanted.

[Sarah1281]

You grow quickly attached to the man who saved you from a life you hated so I don't think it's a stretch. My hubby and I were married after 4 months and we've been married for 22 years. You can quickly grow attached to someone if you've never had anyone give a damn before. Duncan was the first person who cared about what Alistair wanted.

True but unless this has happened to you personally then you might not understand and appreciate it as well as you could. Everyone could really feel for Alistair if he'd lost someone who he knew for years on end and Duncan would have had time to have been more of a permanent fixture in his life that he lost instead of just his savior. Do note that I'm not trying to trivialize his affection for Duncan because they didn't know each other for long, I just think that had it been longer there wouldn't be all this "Why does Alistair spend half the game angsting about a guy he knew less than a year?" going on.



And come to think of it, I'm not sure I buy that Duncan was the first person to ever care what Alistair wanted, though. I'm sure he believes that but we don't see nearly enough of Alistair with Duncan or with others to be sure and I always found Alistair's "maybe he just recruited me because he's a nice person" to ring a little false.

[errant_knight]

It doesn't have to be entirely true for him to feel like it is. Especially since it's something he really wants to believe. The alternative is that no one has really cared at any point in his life, from his point of view, anyway.

Modifié par errant_knight, 16 février 2011 - 05:48 .

[Lady Jess]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

I just had a thought. (Don't die in shock y'all.)
Anywho... I just got through talking to Alistair about Duncan and as usual, selected the line, "He had you." in response to Alistair saying Duncan didn't have any family to speak of. I use it because it's better than the other choices available, but I don't like because it doesn't make much sense for someone whom Duncan has only known for six months. But...

What if that was a left-over from version 1.0 of Alistair? If he were really in his 30's as he was originally supposed to be, he might have been in the Wardens a lot longer than six months. That would me an the "Junior" part of the dialog at Ostagar would have obviously been changed, but in a way, it doesn't make much sense for the youngest member of the Order to be responsible for protecting three raw recruits from Darkspawn... so maybe that was all added after Alistair's age and personality took a turn.

If Alistair was originally to have known Duncan longer than six months, it sure would make his grief over his loss much more understandable.  Not saying it doesn't make sense now, but it would mean a lot more if they'd known each other for years.  

Just an idea that made me stop and go "hmmmm?". lol

You grow quickly attached to the man who saved you from a life you hated so I don't think it's a stretch.  My hubby and I were married after 4 months and we've been married for 22 years.  You can quickly grow attached to someone if you've never had anyone give a damn before.  Duncan was the first person who cared about what Alistair wanted.

I don't think the question is about that. I think it's more why would the PC immediately understand that having never spoken to him about it at Ostagar. That line seems to assume you HAVE talked to him about his past before you actually can. So replying with "he had you" doesn't make alot of sense if you don't know about his life yet.  I've had to work around it with my wardens. Some are...

Kasha- she's a Cousland. The hardest of all to understand coming from her family. But She can use Ser Gilmore as an example. He was sent to squire at Highever at a very young age, and he was like part of the family quickly. Hence his intense devotion.

Caislyn- My Amell.  Abusive parents, they turned her in for a reward of two soverigns. So When Irving showed kindness she latched on to it, so she'd certainly not notice how long he'd known Duncan.

And thats another thing. If don't you talk to him at Ostagar do you even know it's only been six months? If you don't, then "he had you" makes sense too.

[Elysis]

 @Tigress : No woman, you are WRONG! *harass harass* :lol::innocent:

On a more serious note, I understand where you're coming from. But I think the developers left that whole side because be it 10 years or 6 months, it probably wouldn't have changed Alistair's feelings.

And actually, I don't really like the "He had you" line mostly because it's too cheesy for life, and also, Elizabeth is all about shoulder patting so she just goes "Yeah well don't mention it" or something along those lines. She can be the ice queen sometimes, hah! 

@Fenris : Welcome! Have a nakkid Alistair!



No prompts submission? I might just have to post my Joining!

Modifié par Elysis, 16 février 2011 - 05:53 .

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You grow quickly attached to the man who saved you from a life you hated so I don't think it's a stretch. My hubby and I were married after 4 months and we've been married for 22 years. You can quickly grow attached to someone if you've never had anyone give a damn before. Duncan was the first person who cared about what Alistair wanted.

True but unless this has happened to you personally then you might not understand and appreciate it as well as you could. Everyone could really feel for Alistair if he'd lost someone who he knew for years on end and Duncan would have had time to have been more of a permanent fixture in his life that he lost instead of just his savior. Do note that I'm not trying to trivialize his affection for Duncan because they didn't know each other for long, I just think that had it been longer there wouldn't be all this "Why does Alistair spend half the game angsting about a guy he knew less than a year?" going on.

And come to think of it, I'm not sure I buy that Duncan was the first person to ever care what Alistair wanted, though. I'm sure he believes that but we don't see nearly enough of Alistair with Duncan or with others to be sure and I always found Alistair's "maybe he just recruited me because he's a nice person" to ring a little false.

He's one of the few that know who Alistair really is too. Especially if Fiona is truly the Mom he IS going to care what Alistair wants. Clearly Eamon never did. And that's who raised him. He had no real experience with anyone else and he certainly didn't WANT to be at the chantry, and I'm really sure THEY don't care what he wanted.  So yeah, Duncan being the first to care actually does make sense.

[Axekix]

Lady Jess wrote...

He's one of the few that know who Alistair really is too. Especially if Fiona is truly the Mom he IS going to care what Alistair wants. Clearly Eamon never did. And that's who raised him.

Well it was either Alistair or Isolde... he made the right decision imo.

[Zjarcal]

AXE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why did you take the Rott down?!?!??!?!?!?!

:crying:

[sevalaricgirl]

Lady Jess wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

I just had a thought. (Don't die in shock y'all.)
Anywho... I just got through talking to Alistair about Duncan and as usual, selected the line, "He had you." in response to Alistair saying Duncan didn't have any family to speak of. I use it because it's better than the other choices available, but I don't like because it doesn't make much sense for someone whom Duncan has only known for six months. But...

What if that was a left-over from version 1.0 of Alistair? If he were really in his 30's as he was originally supposed to be, he might have been in the Wardens a lot longer than six months. That would me an the "Junior" part of the dialog at Ostagar would have obviously been changed, but in a way, it doesn't make much sense for the youngest member of the Order to be responsible for protecting three raw recruits from Darkspawn... so maybe that was all added after Alistair's age and personality took a turn.

If Alistair was originally to have known Duncan longer than six months, it sure would make his grief over his loss much more understandable.  Not saying it doesn't make sense now, but it would mean a lot more if they'd known each other for years.  

Just an idea that made me stop and go "hmmmm?". lol

You grow quickly attached to the man who saved you from a life you hated so I don't think it's a stretch.  My hubby and I were married after 4 months and we've been married for 22 years.  You can quickly grow attached to someone if you've never had anyone give a damn before.  Duncan was the first person who cared about what Alistair wanted.

I don't think the question is about that. I think it's more why would the PC immediately understand that having never spoken to him about it at Ostagar. That line seems to assume you HAVE talked to him about his past before you actually can. So replying with "he had you" doesn't make alot of sense if you don't know about his life yet.  I've had to work around it with my wardens. Some are...

Kasha- she's a Cousland. The hardest of all to understand coming from her family. But She can use Ser Gilmore as an example. He was sent to squire at Highever at a very young age, and he was like part of the family quickly. Hence his intense devotion.

Caislyn- My Amell.  Abusive parents, they turned her in for a reward of two soverigns. So When Irving showed kindness she latched on to it, so she'd certainly not notice how long he'd known Duncan.

And thats another thing. If don't you talk to him at Ostagar do you even know it's only been six months? If you don't, then "he had you" makes sense too.

 
You can talk to Alistair about Duncan at Ostagar just like you could talk to Daveth and Ser Jory about Duncan.    You can tell that Alistair had strong feelings about Duncan from when you are in Flemeth's hut in the wilds so I still don't think it's far fetched to say that line.  When you get to Lothering, you ask Alistair what's on his mind.  Morrigan says some quip and Alistair says have you never had someone close to you die, what if your mother died which tells me that he felt as if Duncan was family to him.

[Axekix]

Zjarcal wrote...

AXE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why did you take the Rott down?!?!??!?!?!?!

:crying:

LOL!

I'm going to (hopefully) get in a quick replay of my "canon" Warden before DA2!  I haven't really played since Witch Hunt was released so I kinda want to refresh my memory on all the little details.  If it helps, Dog is actually in that picture!  Just slightly off panel...

Modifié par Axekix, 16 février 2011 - 06:10 .

[Lady Jess]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

You can talk to Alistair about Duncan at Ostagar just like you could talk to Daveth and Ser Jory about Duncan.    You can tell that Alistair had strong feelings about Duncan from when you are in Flemeth's hut in the wilds so I still don't think it's far fetched to say that line.  When you get to Lothering, you ask Alistair what's on his mind.  Morrigan says some quip and Alistair says have you never had someone close to you die, what if your mother died which tells me that he felt as if Duncan was family to him.

You CAN but not everyone DOES, for whatever reason. I rarely do on mine...RP reasons, Dalish was ticked off to even have to BE there she spoke to noone unless forced. Cousland was a bit freaked out at the time, having lost her family and become a warden and been betrayed by a family friend all on 24-36 hours.

I know you can talk to him, but I was talking about those of us that don't always, and how that line might still make sense, or how it might not.

[Maria13]

Axekix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

He's one of the few that know who Alistair really is too. Especially if Fiona is truly the Mom he IS going to care what Alistair wants. Clearly Eamon never did. And that's who raised him.

Well it was either Alistair or Isolde... he made the right decision imo.

Not sure he had to make this decision at all. Pretty certain he could have pursuaded Isolde with a little determination, but he just didn't care to.

And in saying the decision was right, surely you mean the right (i.e. selfish) decision for Eamon... Not morally the right decision because it involves dumping the child.... Like an unwanted puppy after Christmas.

Modifié par Maria13, 16 février 2011 - 06:24 .