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[Sarah1281]

But ALISTAIR knew it. He knew it was part of the deal. I believe that is all I actually said in my post about Eamon, and Alistair having good reason for wanting to get out beyond "I can't make any friends here"

Of course Alistair did. I was the one who referenced guardians not necessarily thinking an inability to make friends was reason enough to change plans but that was in regards to what Eamon knew. He could probably gather from Alistair's continued refusal to see him that Alistair wasn't happy there (if he was happy he probably would have gotten over his feelings of abandonment a lot sooner) but since Alistair wouldn't see him he could only get details about why - if he cared to ask - from the Chantry personnel who certainly wouldn't tell him any templar secrets. Who knows what Eamon would have done if he had known about the lyrium (as Rak suggested, he might have thought it was a great idea) but since he probably didn't know I don't think we can hold the fact that without Duncan's intervention Alistair would have become a lyrium-addicted slave to the Chantry against Eamon.

[maxernst]

Sarah1281 wrote...

"They'll turn me into an lyrium addict" would be a pretty good reason. I get the impression being a templar is more a calling than a careeer choice. Much like being a pastor.

I hardly think the lyrium addiction is public knowledge (Alistair doesn't seem to think so but the templar outside the Denerim Chantry will tell you all about how his friend is suffering from overexposure to that. Maybe everyone knows that the templars use lyrium, just not that it's an addiction used to control them?) and by the time Alistair would have learned, Eamon gave up trying to see him.

 

I think the idea that lyrium is not widely known by addictive seems like a reasonable one to me.  Also, since we do see older Templars in the game who appear stable and reasonable (e.g. Gregoir), it doesn't seem like all Templars become lyrium-addled, any more than all dwarves who work with it.

[Maria13]

Yeah, but Alistair does say he avoided taking it and seems to have developed his Templar abilities through meditation/concentration instead.

[Lady Jess]

Maria13 wrote...

Yeah, but Alistair does say he avoided taking it and seems to have developed his Templar abilities through meditation/concentration instead.

true! And as king that is certainly going to come out. Interesting, wonder what the chantry would do if the country or world found out that Lyrium isn't neccessary for the abilities. My guess is it's only REALLY needed for tracking via phylactery.

[Maria13]

Well that is one of the lynch pins of his future personality for me. No doubt he is devout... But not blind or stupid or even that malleable...

[Glorfindel709]

*fistbumps Addai* Nice to find a fellow maleficar in the house

[Lady Jess]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

*fistbumps Addai* Nice to find a fellow maleficar in the house

I'm playing mine...*cries*

[moogie1963]

Hi everyone,
i just wanted to know when or where you can find out that duncan knows Alister for half a year. I just can find the line that he was recruted half a year ago. it doesnt say anything about when they acutally met.
DId i miss something there? Thanks for your help!

[Tigress M]

Hey moogie! Not that I know of; I think that's what everyone is referring to. I guess they could have met prior to Duncan recruiting Alistair, but you'd think as much as Ali talks about Duncan that their previous relationship would have been mentioned. Maybe not though... that would be interesting if we learned Alistair knew him before Duncan conscripted him.

[Lady Jess]

Yeah Alistair you should look nervous. Enjoy her while she lasts, there's heartbreak ahead.







Even moreso if I don't log into my class meeting

[moogie1963]

Hi Tigress,after i read wiki i have the opinion that they met before as you would think that if you meet for the first time you would introduce yourself. But this didnt happen. Even in the game later on it makes more sense as if you recall when duncan died that ali had a breakdown as he seen him as a father figure. I guess the relationship wouldnt be so tense if they only knew each other for half a year and duncan was a lot away for other recrutements. so i guess they really didnt even see much of each other in that half year....

[Tigress M]

@moogie - I think Ali and Duncan got to know each other during the six months Ali was a Warden. Alistair does tell the Warden (or can if you ask the right questions) about his time in the Wardens prior to Ostagar and Duncan is mentioned. I can also see Alistair latching onto Duncan in such a short time-span because he truly craves having someone in his life who cares about him.

But, all that being said... I really do wonder if a lot of the grief at Duncan's death was written around an older Alistair that had known Duncan for years vs months, since originally Alistair was supposed to be 32.

I suppose we'll never know, but it's fun to think about, just as it's fun to ponder the idea that even the "current" version of a younger Alistair might have known Duncan for years while he was in the Chantry. Who knows, you could be right.

[moogie1963]

@ Tigress In game ali says Duncan saw i wasn't happy to be a Templar. I can't belive that Duncan came to the Cantry and thougt, Oh this man is unlucky i recrut him in the G .W. Makes no sense for me.

[Maricsblade]

Catspaw wrote...

TeeHee! Can you imagine! I can't get the commentary out of my head: "...and Alistair goes for the decap..he's using, yes, it looks like a Powerfull Swing, and he gets it! Yes, and there goes the head, and it's GGOOAAALL!!!!!!!  Great form he used there! Nice sword slanting to just tip the head into the corner of the goal completely keeping the Alpha offguard.  Wardens are now leading the darkspawn team 10 to 1"!:D:D

Awesome, Cat :D

@TigressM --- Can you talk more about Alistair originally being 32? Why'd they change it? I'd always wondered too how he managed to get so attached in six months.

Modifié par alisgirl, 17 février 2011 - 02:30 .

[errant_knight]

moogie1963 wrote...

@ Tigress In game ali says Duncan saw i wasn't happy to be a Templar. I can't belive that Duncan came to the Cantry and thougt, Oh this man is unlucky i recrut him in the G .W. Makes no sense for me.

Yes, but it's quite possible for Alistair's perception of events to differ from the reality of them, or tow blow one aspect of them out of proportion in his mind. I think he really wanted to feel like someone gave a damn, perhaps on a subconcious level.

[Maricsblade]

Looking (as usual) like he needs a hug.

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...
true! And as king that is certainly going to come out. Interesting, wonder what the chantry would do if the country or world found out that Lyrium isn't neccessary for the abilities. My guess is it's only REALLY needed for tracking via phylactery.

I would guess it's much like mages don't really need lyrium, it just provides a boost.  And it has diminishing returns, so you'd have to take more and more of it to get the same effect.  As the mental capacity goes from the addiction, you would need even more in order to concentrate.  Kind of a vicious circle.

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

Glorfindel709 wrote...

*fistbumps Addai* Nice to find a fellow maleficar in the house

I'm playing mine...*cries*

It's probably more like a maleficar secret handshake. 

I'm interested to see how the class has/has not changed in DA2.

[Tigress M]

@Moogie - As Errant said, we only know Alistair's side of Duncan's recruitment... we have no idea why he chose Alistair. I, having played the DE more than any other origin, find the pity card to be highly unbelievable since Duncan clearly states he's not asking the PC to join out of pity for them having become tainted. So, I seriously doubt he'd feel sorry for Ali and risk the wrath of the Chantry out of pity. I think he wanted someone with Templar talents and Alistair fit the bill since he had the talents but wasn't a Lyrium addict.

@Alisgirl - You'll have to forgive me for not having a reference link but originally, Alistair was supposed to be older (toolset has his age listed as 32). His personality was also much more gruff; from what I understand a very no-nonsense kind of guy. However, that didn't go over well in the test group and he came off as pushy and bossy, from what I understand. So, Gaider and team re-wrote his character, making him younger and more sensitive. Hence his corny sense of humor, his "unhardened state", and his openness in showing his emotions.

Kinda ironic that those who don't like Alistair find the most fault with his lack of spine and emotionalism, isn't it? Guess it just proves you can't please everyone all the time. LOL

[Glorfindel709]

@Addai - Im honestly hoping for a reaction if I use Blood Magic, that's all. In my Mahariel Mage story is going to have an interesting Blood Mage "coming out" as it were. Which will lead to his conscription into the Grey Wardens.

*Shakes hand, presses down on the second knuckle of the thumb and presses a finger down into the palm*

Modifié par Glorfindel709, 17 février 2011 - 03:53 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tigress M wrote...
@Alisgirl - You'll have to forgive me for not having a reference link but originally, Alistair was supposed to be older (toolset has his age listed as 32). His personality was also much more gruff; from what I understand a very no-nonsense kind of guy. However, that didn't go over well in the test group and he came off as pushy and bossy, from what I understand. So, Gaider and team re-wrote his character, making him younger and more sensitive. Hence his corny sense of humor, his "unhardened state", and his openness in showing his emotions.
 

Which is a shame. I think that would have been much more interesting than what we've got.

Thankfully we got Sten however.

[Tigress M]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Tigress M wrote...
@Alisgirl - You'll have to forgive me for not having a reference link but originally, Alistair was supposed to be older (toolset has his age listed as 32). His personality was also much more gruff; from what I understand a very no-nonsense kind of guy. However, that didn't go over well in the test group and he came off as pushy and bossy, from what I understand. So, Gaider and team re-wrote his character, making him younger and more sensitive. Hence his corny sense of humor, his "unhardened state", and his openness in showing his emotions.
 

Which is a shame. I think that would have been much more interesting than what we've got.

Thankfully we got Sten however.

I agree, completely.  I would have really enjoyed breaking through Alistair's hard exterior like you got do with Morrigan, and finding the gem within.  I think we get a glimpse of his original concept in his rant at the Warden if you kill Isolde or Connor (before you have a chance to calm him down) as well as in his interactions with Morrigan when first entering Lothering.  

Not that I'd want him yelling at me all the time, but I don't mind Morrigan's snide comments whenever I make a decision she doesn't like, so I'm pretty sure I'd not mind Alistair's either... if he had any.  lol

[cmessaz]

Sad pic spam time! And don't ask why Alistair reverts to original armor for this scene. Happening to anyone else that runs IRS A?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tigress M wrote...
I think we get a glimpse of his original concept in his rant at the Warden if you kill Isolde or Connor (before you have a chance to calm him down) as well as in his interactions with Morrigan when first entering Lothering.  

If that's their idea of a character challenging us, then I am glad they didn't make him like this. For me, a reasonable challenge is what Sten does in Haven, which I can enjoy. Not what I percieve to be Alistair's childish immature passive-aggresive rant, which he admits is based on nothing but his fear of what Eamon will think of him, as if I should give a damn when I am trying to save a village. It adds to the character's complexity, but this does not sound like him being bossy or challenging, but rather like a child in my eyes.

So yea, if that's what their original Alistair was like, with even more of this attitude, then I'd rather not. 

[Glorfindel709]

@cme - Xena warrior princess?