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[rak72]

[Glorfindel709]

Alistairs being taken away for his execution O.o Bad KoP! :-p

[KnightofPhoenix]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

Alistairs being taken away for his execution O.o Bad KoP! :-p

Yea, I've been wanting to do that for ages

No but seriously, the pic has artistic value.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 février 2011 - 01:48 .

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
There is something you're not mentioning, and that is that in an Architect-enhanced Blight, darkspawn will be more powerful and will have intelligence.

What happens when the new Disciples don't want to stay in the
Deep Roads anymore and decide to take the best surface land they can
find?

A contradiction, blights can only happen with Archdemons in command and the rest following mindlessly. 

  A Blight is a massive attack led by an archdemon.  It says nothing about whether there are other intelligent darkspawn in the horde.  There were semi-intelligent darkspawn in Return to Ostagar, for instance.

And like I said earlier, I prefer an enemy that can show fear, doubt and is susceptible to morale, than fight mindless hordes that can know no fear, hesitation or restraint, and who can still show a grasp of tactics and intelligence (collective intelligence vs individual. They use stealth, ambushes. Feign and preemptive attacks....etc). 

Such an enemy also knows self-preservation which leads to ambition and greed.  Cue all the wars the surface races and dwarves fight with each other, with taint soup in the mix.

If you mean Awakened Darkspawn invasions. Why? What for? Why do they need "the best surface land they can find"? They don't eat, they don't need agriculture or land fit for pastoral activity. So what for?

Why did they attack humans in Amaranthine?  They are aggressive.  They multiply rapidly.  They use other resources, even if they don't need to eat.  They need brood mothers.  Lebensraum or any excuse they choose to exercise.  After all, they carry in themselves a potent biological weapon.  It would not take much for them to wipe out whole populations and have the place to themselves.

As for gaining sentience when the old gods are dead, we simply can't know that that would happen.  We do know the effects of the taint.

Modifié par Addai67, 18 février 2011 - 01:52 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

[quote]Addai67 wrote...
  A Blight is a massive attack led by an archdemon.  It says nothing about whether there are other intelligent darkspawn in the horde.  There were semi-intelligent darkspawn in Return to Ostagar, for instance.[/quote]

Intelligent darkspawn have no compulsion whatsoever to follow the Archdemon. So why do you think the Awakened would join a blight when they want to be free from it? Why do you think the Archdemon would tolerate them in the first place?

[quote]
Such an enemy also knows self-preservation which leads to ambition and greed.  Cue all the wars the surface races and dwarves fight with each other, with taint soup in the mix.[/quote]

Only when their self-preservation also requires food, land...etc. The Darkspawn are nothing like humans , dwarves...etc. They are self-sufficient except when it comes to reproduction (and that is assuming they are not ageless). Their reproductive needs can be provided without war. 
I've already talked about all this in my other posts, could you please read them before?
I am not trying to be condescending, I am just tired of repeating the same things.

[quote]
Why did they attack humans in Amaranthine?  [/quote]

The Mother was trying to thwart the Architect's plan and get herself killed, she says so at the end. Nothing to do witgh greed or ambition.

They use other resources, even if they don't need to eat. [/quote]

Like what? And for what?

[quote]
They need brood mothers.  [/quote]

Already talked about this a hundred times.

[quote]
Lebensraum or any excuse they choose to exercise. [/quote]

"VItal space" refers to a need (whether real or illusionary) of ressources and space. Something they do not need. The deep roads are vast as they are, and their reproductive urge post Awakening should be minimal, they do not require massive reproduction for self-preservation.

[quote]
As for gaining sentience when the old gods are dead, we simply can't know that that would happen. 
[/quote]

A stong possibility that should be taken into consideration.
As for the taint. Again, been said a hundred times. They have little reason to leave the deep raods and there is magic to make people immune to the taint, see Qunari merchant.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 février 2011 - 02:01 .

[errant_knight]

Huh, I just gor 2 approval points from Alistair for making Harrowmont king. That's never happened before, probably because he's usually at 100% when I get ot Orzammar.

Modifié par errant_knight, 18 février 2011 - 05:00 .

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
  A Blight is a massive attack led by an archdemon.  It says nothing about whether there are other intelligent darkspawn in the horde.  There were semi-intelligent darkspawn in Return to Ostagar, for instance.

Intelligent darkspawn have no compulsion whatsoever to follow the Archdemon. So why do you think the Awakened would join a blight when they want to be free from it? Why do you think the Archdemon would tolerate them in the first place?

So says the Architect.  Why should I trust him?  That's really what it comes down to.  And that darkspawn necromancer looked pretty clever.

Only when their self-preservation also requires food, land...etc. The Darkspawn are nothing like humans , dwarves...etc. They are self-sufficient except when it comes to reproduction (and that is assuming they are not ageless). Their reproductive needs can be provided without war. 

This is incredibly naive sounding, and surprising from you.  We have no idea what darkspawn society would be like.  And you really imagine that they'll be entirely pacific creatures?

The Mother was trying to thwart the Architect's plan and get herself killed, she says so at the end. Nothing to do witgh greed or ambition.

Ambition drove her to oppose him in the first place, or rather revenge.  She only has second thoughts about death as she's about to die.

Edit:  And just consider the conflict it would cause in human society, and dwarven, once it gets out that you're openly cooperating with darkspawn.  It would be just another reason for nations to go to war.

Modifié par Addai67, 18 février 2011 - 06:18 .

[Addai]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

I think that nations would be rather more willing to do offer their forces to something that can and will be a true menace to their women.

I'm trying to picture what unhindered reproduction of ogres would look like.  Yeah.

So, I did run the blood mage confrontation again with Alistair in the party, and he has no commentary either for or against you.  Probably the scene was cut before his dialogue was recorded or something.  He does make a rather touching appeal for Wynne earlier, if you say you want to see the Circle burn.  You can ask him "what kind of templar are you?"  He answers "apparently not a very good one."  LOL  So if you want to kill Wynne and have 0 Mental Resistance to the puppy eyes, don't bring him along.  He even says he's not going to fight, though actually he does.  Something like "I'm not going to fight this old lady."  Heh.

As irony would have it, when I ran the blood mage confrontation without the Persuade, look who got the 'cap on Wynne!



Oh, and with a blood mage PC you also get to recruit the maleficar in the Tower to fight darkspawn.  I wonder if there was supposed to be a quest about that.

Modifié par Addai67, 18 février 2011 - 06:30 .

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
Thats because this one never BECAME a blight. We stopped it before it started. Luckily for Thedas.  It's not that it wasn't as bad, it's only by our uberness that it stopped before it was fully formed. We killed the Archdemon as soon as it showed itself. 

Previous blights showed up in different countries at the same time and ravaged them before any response could be mustered in time. This archdemon was stupid, why did it go out again?

But this sounds like nit-picking. In either case, Thedas was very lucky. 

Oh and good news folk. I continued my Arcturus Cousland PC playthrough after I paused for 2 months. Um...yea.



Telling pic, speaks a thousand words. Would be adequate for a prompt.

*Heart drops* I just cannot do this to him. Every time I decide to make THAT save for DA2....I simply let him go instead. (Which is heartbreaking enough) 

[Glorfindel709]

@Addai.



Because you posted that picture. I just might love you forever.

[Maria13]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Previous blights showed up in different countries at the same time and ravaged them before any response could be mustered in time. This archdemon was stupid, why did it go out again?

But this sounds like nit-picking. In either case, Thedas was very lucky. 

Oh and good news folk. I continued my Arcturus Cousland PC playthrough after I paused for 2 months. Um...yea.



Telling pic, speaks a thousand words. Would be adequate for a prompt.

Already done KoP, Addai and Lady Damodred also have excellent execution stories.

www.fanfiction.net/s/6323693/1/This_is_Going_to_Hurt

What´s it that Oscar Wilde said, oh yes: "Each man kills the thing he loves..."

[Giggles_Manically]

You do realize that darkspawn dont need to be awakened to become intelligent or speak:



Here is the codex for Emissaries:

Emissaries



Hurlock emissaries have also been known to appear during a Blight. These darkspawn are the only ones recorded as being capable of human speech and are often capable of employing magic.

[Maria13]

Someone should start a Darkspawn gush thread...

[Tigress M]

@KoP - Forgive me if this has been addressed already... I missed a lot of yesterdays conversation. Why is it okay for your to allow the Darkspawn to continuing living in the deep roads? It's not "theirs", it's the Dwarves and if I were a Dwarf, I'd want the massive underground empire my people had worked centuries to construct back in my people's hands. Do you really think the dwarves would sit idly by and let the Darkspawn live in peace just for the benefit of the rest of the world?

And even if they did, by some huge stretch of imagination, the Darkspawn would still be prey to the other monstrosities that lurk in the deep roads. So, evolutionarily, I don't think their instinct to reproduce would be diminished because they would still be hunted and eventually, they'd run out of room down there, and we'd be right back where we started with even more Darkspawn, now wanting more space to simply exist (assuming you're right and they won't have any other compulsions).

[Persephone]

Maria13 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Previous blights showed up in different countries at the same time and ravaged them before any response could be mustered in time. This archdemon was stupid, why did it go out again?

But this sounds like nit-picking. In either case, Thedas was very lucky. 

Oh and good news folk. I continued my Arcturus Cousland PC playthrough after I paused for 2 months. Um...yea.

*Snip*

Telling pic, speaks a thousand words. Would be adequate for a prompt.

Already done KoP, Addai and Lady Damodred also have excellent execution stories.

www.fanfiction.net/s/6323693/1/This_is_Going_to_Hurt

What´s it that Oscar Wilde said, oh yes: "Each man kills the thing he loves..."

Does that mean that you love Loghain, Maria? :P:lol::happy: (Kidding, kidding! Don't kill me!)

[Addai]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

@Addai.

Because you posted that picture. I just might love you forever.

Heh.  Well I've only run her through for reals in one game, when my PC sided with the templars anyway.  Otherwise it's just for relief of tension from all the times she sets my teeth on edge. 

Just like Leliana, she's only in my party because Alistair likes her.  The things I do for that blob of pixels.

[Maria13]

Persephone wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Previous blights showed up in different countries at the same time and ravaged them before any response could be mustered in time. This archdemon was stupid, why did it go out again?

But this sounds like nit-picking. In either case, Thedas was very lucky. 

Oh and good news folk. I continued my Arcturus Cousland PC playthrough after I paused for 2 months. Um...yea.

*Snip*

Telling pic, speaks a thousand words. Would be adequate for a prompt.

Already done KoP, Addai and Lady Damodred also have excellent execution stories.

www.fanfiction.net/s/6323693/1/This_is_Going_to_Hurt

What´s it that Oscar Wilde said, oh yes: "Each man kills the thing he loves..."

Does that mean that you love Loghain, Maria? :P:lol::happy: (Kidding, kidding! Don't kill me!)

I'm not going to kill you... I know you joke.  What it means is that I killed Alistair, in this story at least.

BTW Loggy doesn't even get a mention, I despise him that much.

So much for us being fangirls...

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
This is incredibly naive sounding, and surprising from you.  We have no idea what darkspawn society would be like.  And you really imagine that they'll be entirely pacific creatures?

Not at all. They lack all the necessary pre-conditions for them to be similar to humans, which is what you are trying to say. They do not have any material reason at all to fight the surface, except reproduction which can be handled without war. This is something I have already explained, but of course you keep ignoring me politely asking you to read what I already said.

Awakened darkspawn are more likely to be pacific creatures, when compared to humans.

Ambition drove her to oppose him in the first place, or rather revenge.  She only has second thoughts about death as she's about to die.

No, she tells us that she hit the Wardens hard knowing that they will not forgive her and would kill her, thinking that she might hear the song again. And she wants to stop the Architect. No ambition here.

Edit:  And just consider the conflict it would cause in human society, and dwarven, once it gets out that you're openly cooperating with darkspawn.  It would be just another reason for nations to go to war.

No one needs to know.

But I am done with this. All of this I have already said not a week ago, or a day ago, but a few hours ago. I am tired of repeating and you evidently don't want to be bothered to read them.


@ Tigress
The Deep Roads are huge, do the Dwarves really need to have all of it?
It's not theirs anymore, they'll just have to deal with it.

The Awakened have no reason to want to fight the dwarves unless they are aggressed. The Dwarves can expand a bit, and then be content with what they have. They can't lead a genocidal campaign against them. And if they try, they will be crushed.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 février 2011 - 04:15 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Maria13 wrote...
 What it means is that I killed Alistair, in this story at least.

So much for us being fangirls...

Have you ever argued for killing Alistair?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

You do realize that darkspawn dont need to be awakened to become intelligent or speak:

They lack individual will. What they have is a group mind. Unless awakened, when they become capable of free thought.

[Maria13]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Maria13 wrote...
 What it means is that I killed Alistair, in this story at least.

So much for us being fangirls...

Have you ever argued for killing Alistair?

Obviously not because I do not believe there is a reasonable argument for killing him.  And please don't bother to repeat what you usually say. I've read it numerous times and disagree.

However, I have considered the possibility that Alistair would be executed and recreated it in my story. 

[Maricsblade]

@rak -- thank you.

I've said it before but I must say it again: Sexy Anderstair is sexy. Mmm hmm.

:wub:

[KnightofPhoenix]

Maria13 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Maria13 wrote...
 What it means is that I killed Alistair, in this story at least.

So much for us being fangirls...

Have you ever argued for killing Alistair?

Obviously not because I do not believe there is a reasonable argument for killing him. 

I see.

I am not sure if that would fit the definition of a fangirl, but it sounds plausible

[Tigress M]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
@ Tigress
The Deep Roads are huge, do the Dwarves really need to have all of it?
It's not theirs anymore, they'll just have to deal with it.

The Awakened have no reason to want to fight the dwarves unless they are aggressed. The Dwarves can expand a bit, and then be content with what they have. They can't lead a genocidal campaign against them. And if they try, they will be crushed.

Do you really think the Dwarves are just going to roll over and let the Darkspawn keep what they've stolen just because their sentient all of a sudden?  I really doubt diplomacy is going to be high on their list with a "race" of monsters that they've spent over a thousand years fighting.  And just because the dwarves would have no hope of winning, doesn't mean they won't try -- hence the whole Legion of the Dead.  

The point being... the Darkspawn are not going to be left alone and that will effect evolution and their instincts for survival.  So you're not going to wind up with a controlled population.  Instead, you're going to wind up with the largest rat warren on the planet where every creature carries the plague and they will spread it.  No matter how big the deep roads are, eventually it won't be big enough and we'll once again see darkspawn on the surface, brining the taint right along with them.  Only this time... they'll be in such large numbers nothing will be able to stop them.  

[Yankee23]

rak72 wrote...

Oscar!


And an Alistar for topic!