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[KnightofPhoenix]

Maria13 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
but I guess they don't want Alistair to mention too much about himself because that might detract from the way players imagine him to be with their Wardens post-Blight and thus another reason to argue.

Or simply because there is nothing interesting he can offer anymore. Trying to extend a character's role, just for the sake of making him show up every time, is just going to cheapen him. 

With Morrigan, we knew her story was far from over, in fact it kind of began. Alistair's story on the otherhand is finished and there is very little that needs to be added.

I disagree.  I wonder why you visit this thread so often, is it just to annoy people?  You're like an unwanted visitor who doesn't wipe his feet before going into someone's home...

Yes, I am here to specifically annoy you. It's my life's purpose.
It's because I care so much about what you feel. Especially when you are annoyed, I feel like I accomplished something.
 

[cmessaz]

I think we should get back to Alistair gushing, we can discus his appearance in DA2 after it's release! \\o/



LINK

Modifié par cmessaz, 27 février 2011 - 10:25 .

[Glorfindel709]

Aeowyn wrote...

Glorfindel709 wrote...

I'm really not looking forward to this game anymore. >.<

So...don't buy it? Nobody is forcing you to. I don't see what the issue here is.

I'm going to play the game. And I'm sure that I'll enjoy it as a game. But I wont enjoy it as a Dragon Age game. And actually, I preordered back in October and I do have faith in Bioware, especially in regards to storytelling, so I'm hoping that the story itself balances out the things that I dislike (ME style action game with RPG elements, The Flash type combat animations, etc)

Modifié par Glorfindel709, 27 février 2011 - 10:25 .

[Yankee23]

There has been a distinct lack of Ali spam lately. Allow me to rectify that.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You're honestly comparing him to Morrigan, who is connected to Flemeth (who is crucial), had her own DLC, possibly raising the OGB and knows about what will happen in the short future? Add to that that he can die and she doesn't.

The OGB cannot be plot-crucial because the DR is not canon.  And the fact that she had a 2 minute appearance in a DLC was fanservice, not story progression.

Yes, Alistair's story is practically over. There is nothing interesting to add, unless they want to extend his role just so he can show up again, making the whole thing feel cheap and unnecessary. And yes stories can and do end before people die. At least interesting ones. 

He was never that interesting for you to begin with, so naturally you'd say so.  But a templar who got away from the order with its secrets and is a Grey Warden, and who might also be king of Ferelden and the last of the Theirin line- damn straight there is more you could do with it.

Probably not without messing up people's Origins endings, however, so like I said,  better off for Alistair fans that they left it alone.

Modifié par Addai67, 27 février 2011 - 10:38 .

[Merilsell]

Haha, great Picspam, Yankee

BTW my new chapter of OEaH is out. Clicky here if you want to read it.

Now go on with the gushing.

Modifié par Merilsell, 27 février 2011 - 10:41 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
The OGB cannot be plot-crucial because the DR is not canon.  And the fact that she had a 2 minute appearance in a DLC was fanservice, not story progression.

There is story progression. She is preparing herself for whatever she meant by "change" (which will be addressed in DA2 presumably), hence her hunt for artifacts. 

And the OGB, even if not canon, has more story potential that anything else Origins has to offer.

But a templar who got away from the order with its secrets and is a Grey Warden, and who might also be king of Ferelden and the last of the Theirin line- damn straight there is more you could do with it.

He was never a templar, and that issue has been delt with. Wardens are no longer important, seeing how the threat is not the darkspawn and the Awakening concept has been dropped. And Ferelden will probably collapse into civil war again, and even if it doesn't, him being king of Ferelden has very little to do with Kirkwall and Hawke (aka a 2 minute cameo is sufficient). And little to do with Flemeth and the large scale change that is going to happen.

So no, there are much more important things for the writers to write about.

[Tigress M]

As much as I love Alistair, I would much rather see a cameo appearance than something more substantial that goes against the grain of my Warden's story. And, as has been said several times already, it would be very difficult (not to mention expensive) to give him much screen time while taking into consideration all of the possible outcomes from DAO.

I'm just grateful we'll get a cameo of some sort. It will be nice to see him again, even if it is only for a moment as we progress on through the lives of our new hero, Hawke.

Modifié par Tigress M, 27 février 2011 - 10:47 .

[Aeowyn]

At least he won't accuse you of betrayal for not having contacted him when you've been dead or in a coma for 2 years *looks at Mass Effect*

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

He was never a templar, and that issue has been delt with. Wardens are no longer important, seeing how the threat is not the darkspawn and the Awakening concept has been dropped. And Ferelden will probably collapse into civil war again, and even if it doesn't, him being king of Ferelden has very little to do with Kirkwall and Hawke (aka a 2 minute cameo is sufficient). And little to do with Flemeth and the large scale change that is going to happen.

So no, there are much more important things for the writers to write about.

So the Grand Cleric fought to keep him because...?  And the central theme of DA2 is templar vs. mage.

Never mind.  Pointless discussion.

[cmessaz]

BEAUTIFUL Yankee. Thanks!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
So the Grand Cleric fought to keep him because...?  And the central theme of DA2 is templar vs. mage.

Not a Templar, he did not make his vows, nor was he subjected to lyrium. He is an initiate.
Furthermore, he is not even a believing / convinced Templar initiate, he would identify himself as a Warden only.

[Thor Rand Al]

[cmessaz]

Love those Thor!

[Thor Rand Al]

cmessaz wrote...

Love those Thor!

hehe thanks cmz.  I love it when I can get his facial expression's adds more to the game as far as emotions.  Makes it more real lol

Poor Goldanna (not) shouldn't rile your brother up

[Tigress M]

Aeowyn wrote...

At least he won't accuse you of betrayal for not having contacted him when you've been dead or in a coma for 2 years *looks at Mass Effect*

Don't I know it!  That's probably why I only played ME and ME2 once.  I was so ticked off after Horizon.  Thankfully, I'd already played DAO and so that scene wasn't totally unexpected having been dumped by Alistair on my first origins playthrough.  But still... I think I cried... in both games.  LOL

[Gilsa]

I somewhat agree that Alistair's story is over because DG said that each companion had their own closure in the end of origins (except for Morrigan, which was the point of her DLC). OG baby or not, the male warden's story with Morrigan is also over. Morrigan will appear in the game later on, but not with the warden by her side unless they give us the ability to play our wardens again. They have new graphics and no way of knowing what our wardens looked like. Queen Couslands will be acknowledged in DA2, but unlikely to be seen. By the time the OG baby grows up to adulthood, the warden father is likely to be dead from the taint.

[Zjarcal]

I both agree and disagree with the "Alistair's story is over" sentiment.

I agree that there really isn't anything about him that MUST be touched in further installments. Save for maybe the drunkenstair endings, the other endings don't really scream "please, this story must continue!!".

That being said, I disagree with the sentiment that there is NOTHING that could be done with him that would be interesting. There are many directions in which his story could go that could potentially be interesting (or not). Dismissing any potential his future story could have entirely just because one didn't like the character though, that's too much.

And for the record, I don't really care for any cameos from the Origins companions. I was happy with how things ended in Origins, so I'm not really itching for Bioware to come up with stories that could destroy the things we've imagined in our heads (with the exception of Morrigan, since her story really isn't over).

[Zjarcal]

Aeowyn wrote...

At least he won't accuse you of betrayal for not having contacted him when you've been dead or in a coma for 2 years *looks at Mass Effect*

:lol:

Oh by the way Aeowyn, your Garrus gif in your sig is AWESOME! I especially love seeing him on a horse... 

[Zeleen]

Thank you Yankee

Modifié par Zeleen, 28 février 2011 - 02:59 .

[Yankee23]

Zjarcal wrote...

I both agree and disagree with the "Alistair's story is over" sentiment.

I agree that there really isn't anything about him that MUST be touched in further installments. Save for maybe the drunkenstair endings, the other endings don't really scream "please, this story must continue!!".

That being said, I disagree with the sentiment that there is NOTHING that could be done with him that would be interesting. There are many directions in which his story could go that could potentially be interesting (or not). Dismissing any potential his future story could have entirely just because one didn't like the character though, that's too much.

And for the record, I don't really care for any cameos from the Origins companions. I was happy with how things ended in Origins, so I'm not really itching for Bioware to come up with stories that could destroy the things we've imagined in our heads (with the exception of Morrigan, since her story really isn't over).

This^

However, I don't think it belongs in DA2 and  if they were to do something, I think the warden needs to be involved to avoid messing with our stories.

[Lady Jess]

Aeowyn wrote...

@Maria: That's a bit harsh don't you think? Why not take your personal vendetta against KoP elsewhere? And he is right in a sense. You can't just keep milking something until it's milked dry. In the end it just turns into bad writing, and I don't want that.

I agree 100% on both points.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...
That being said, I disagree with the sentiment that there is NOTHING that could be done with him that would be interesting. There are many directions in which his story could go that could potentially be interesting (or not). Dismissing any potential his future story could have entirely just because one didn't like the character though, that's too much.

Directed at me?
Nothing to do with what I said. I like Zevran, Leliana, Oghren and Sten. However I feel none of them have much to offer that couldn't be done better with someone else. Same with Loghain, his story is most definitely over and I would much rather have ressources devoted elsewhere. 

Because that's what it boils down to, ressources and time. I'd much rather have Bioware devote ressources in trying to come up with new and interesting characters, rather than attempt to keep milking the same cows, just for the sake of it.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 février 2011 - 03:14 .

[Bitenomnom]

Did a little sketch of Alistair today. What's going on? I don't know. Use your imagination, I guess. Sorry for the handwriting.

I Can Explain
Just a crappy little sketch, not sure if I'll do anything with it.


And because I'm here and harassing everybody with my drawing anyway, I also doodled my current character. Came up with the armor/outfit off the top of my head...also just realized how similar her pose is to Alistair's above. Haha. Oops.

Ferra

[errant_knight]

I've decided to make a thread in the Community Creations section for my toolset pictures, so from now on, I'll be posting them here:

http://social.biowar...6264990#6264990

I've just put up my entry in the Cousland beauty contest, which had four pictures and some dialogue. I've added a fifth picture and a bit more dialogue that takes place between my character, Lis Cousland, and Alistair to wrap things up.

Modifié par errant_knight, 28 février 2011 - 04:24 .