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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Heh.

I got tested once in University to help my friends.
I acted almost exactly like Rorschach did in Watchmen when he was being tested.

What is this?
A cute bunny

And this:
A happy unicorn

This?
A smiling kitty.

And this?
Boba Fett.


Haven't seen Watchmen so not sure what you're referencing but any mention of Boba Fett gets an "Alisgirl approves (+10)."

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ToP for you

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Thanks, KoP. And I could have told you that you were an INT?.

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I made a mistake yesterday, I'm actualy an ISTJ, But again it is only 1% S & T

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alisgirl wrote...

Thanks, KoP. And I could have told you that you were an INT?.


INTJ.

And yea, I guess I already knew which type I am :lol:

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alisgirl wrote...
@Addai -- I definitely think of Alistair as chattyan extravert (ENFP). What makes you think of him as an introvert? And the point you made is spot on... a lot of NFs are very easygoing until one of their core values is violated and then suddenly become as intractable as the most bull-headed ESTJ. Also, as you said, any type can display the worst behavior of their opposite or "shadow" type under extreme stress.

I debated it, but he did not seem to be bothered by the solitude either of his upbringing or his time at the Chantry, and forms few but deep attachments and seems to be territorial and private in particular about those things important to him (his relationship with the Warden, for instance).

One aspect of INFP is that you project as P- so people read you as very laid back- but you are actually ruled by F, something that you keep close to the vest.  Alistair doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve like an ENFP would.  And of course you know, an introvert can be very friendly and sociable, they just don't need to do so to be energized.

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I guess that I'd attributed the fact that he doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve (and the fact that he is very uncomfortable with PDA) to British reserve. He will talk your ear off despite the fact that he hardly knows you, and seems comfortable socially and with flirting as long as you don't call his bluff, and certain epilogues mention that if he is king, he wants to go to taverns to socialize with the regular folk. I guess none of those are very strong indicators though. I might have pegged him as an extravert because he reminds me strongly of an ESFP I once knew.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

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KoP and the Fett are down with the Royal Bastard and Hos

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alisgirl wrote...

I guess that I'd attributed the fact that he doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve (and the fact that he is very uncomfortable with PDA) to British reserve. He will talk your ear off despite the fact that he hardly knows you, and seems comfortable socially and with flirting as long as you don't call his bluff, and certain epilogues mention that if he is king, he wants to go to taverns to socialize with the regular folk. I guess none of those are very strong indicators though. I might have pegged him as an extravert because he reminds me strongly of an ESFP I once knew.


I think it may go deeper than reserve.  He seems to have two modes, the one he generally displays, rambunctious, out/easygoing, talkative... And the real one, the one that comes to the fore speaking about Duncan, during and after making love, or in the Fade where he tells you he does not want to end up dead in a ditch full of Darkspawn.  This to me, says introversion. 

I think he is an introvert who has developed a rather good shell, probably due to being thrust into excessively social situations. One imagines that as a trainee Templar he has been living in a male dorm since the age of 12, you either develop a new persona in such a situation or perish. And his training as a fighter where putting on a good show, which he always does, there are dozens of Ali battlefield utterances, is almost as important as delivering the goods.

The good shell may be the cause of the great Ali debacle at the Landsmeet.  Up until then, most players have simply no idea of just how much he wants Loghain's head on a plate because he may talk a lot but it is cover; he simply isn't given to revealing his innermost desires or fears. So perhaps to some extent what happens at the Landsmeet is not as much a problem with Ali as with the player who takes things too much at face value and has simply not delved deeply enough, as most good leaders do, into their allies' true psychology...

Modifié par Maria13, 06 mars 2011 - 12:19 .


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Site wouldn't let me post this yesterday but I wnated to say how much I loved taking my Queen character (my avatar pic) through to Awakening. It made all the difference in the dialogue with Alistair - so much cooler than the first time with a character who wasn't too friendly with Alistair!

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@ Marie oh yes, the scene is brief but he is all over you which is nice...

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Wow, Maria what a great post and I fully agree to that. He has an inner,more vulnerable side he is hiding, sometimes behind a veil of jocularity or swall of words. Or to say it with my characters words (taken from my FF) :

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He was oddly puzzling for her, infuriating at times, which was not unexpected for the human that he was. As a proud Dalish, she naturally bore no love for the shemlen, given the history her people shared with... them.

Nevertheless, that human sometimes showed glimpses of what made her believe that his simplemindedness was nothing more than an act, something to hide what was... underneath.

Modifié par Merilsell, 06 mars 2011 - 02:12 .


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Yeah, I loved it. I was so gutted that my original character ended up not being friends with Alistair but I had't figured out the approval system at that point so I was stuck with a strictly professional relationship after he became king. I tend to like Alistair much better when my character has a good relationship with him, even if they're not romantically involved.

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Merilsell wrote...

Wow, Maria what a great post and I fully agree to that. He has an inner,more vulnerable side he is hiding, sometimes behind a veil of jocularity or swall of words. Or to say it with my characters words (taken from my FF) :

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He was oddly puzzling for her, infuriating at times, which was not unexpected for the human that he was. As a proud Dalish, she naturally bore no love for the shemlen, given the history her people shared with... them.

Nevertheless, that human sometimes showed glimpses of what made her believe that his simplemindedness was nothing more than an act, something to hide what was... underneath.


Yep, we've both spent an awful lot of time in his head... It's a credit to Gaider and Bioware that they were able to create such a complex character.

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Indeed...but it is fun, right? I like characters who seem to be shallow at first glance but when you get to know them they are surprisingly more than that. The reason I love Morrigan and Zevran so much aside Alistair and also why I have written/write Lenya this way. She seems like a bratty, annoying and rabid teenager at first with much black and white in her anger...but as the story unfolds there is...more to it. Much more. *hugs writing*

Heh, I heart well-done character- development, which is why I love DA:O so much. <3

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Site lacks pictures, so I will rectify that. I heart this pic <3

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At topic. As far my canon char goes (and I spend awfully much time in her head due to my FF-writings, so don't expect me to talk about my *other* chars....EVER lol ) this underneath of Alistair is what makes him interesting to her, human or not. I guess if Zevran had an earlier entrance and/or were not so annoying to her upon meeting with all the jokes that makes her roll her eyes and go WTF subsequently than things could have happened differently. So it is Alistair she eventually falls for, because there is already this mutual base of trust (which Zevran has yet to earn) existing, the sense of "I'm not alone in this frightening shemlen world" which makes her feel comfortable around him, despite all odds.

Plainly said. Zevran is simply too late, lol. Which is why I will use the Zevran ASAP mod with characters romancing him, or he will suffer the Lenya syndrom over and over again. XD

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Does anyone know if the Rashantas armour conflicts with the Phoenix Armour?

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Maria13 wrote...

He seems to have two modes, the one he generally displays, rambunctious, out/easygoing, talkative... And the real one, the one that comes to the fore speaking about Duncan, during and after making love, or in the Fade where he tells you he does not want to end up dead in a ditch full of Darkspawn.  This to me, says introversion. 

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perhaps to some extent what happens at the Landsmeet is not as much a problem with Ali as with the player who takes things too much at face value and has simply not delved deeply enough, as most good leaders do, into their allies' true psychology...


I have run into that same "two modes" with extraverts -- if anything, I have found it more difficult to get inside their shell than with introverts. In my experience, extraverts talk a lot about superficial things and it's more difficult to get them to talk about deep or personal things, while introverts don't tend to talk much but when they do, it's about the deeper or more personal things (otherwise they'd just prefer to say nothing). Maybe I have just known a lot more ESXX than ENXX. Anyway, E or I, he is the sweetest thing on two legs!!  :wub::wub:

His meltdown at the Landsmeet was no surprise to me at all when I chose to spare Loghain in a branch -- I'd caught enough references to Loghain and Duncan. But probably the bigger factor was that I felt exactly the same way he did.

Edit: I loved the "dead in a ditch" comment. It made it even more obvious that he knows he is self-sacrificing and is willing to go through with it anyway.

Modifié par alisgirl, 06 mars 2011 - 06:04 .


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Phedra wrote...

Does anyone know if the Rashantas armour conflicts with the Phoenix Armour?

I don't think so. I just recently added both of them to my game and haven't experienced any problems. (I've even had some pieces from each equipped on the same character at the same time -- noticed no issues. Well, I'm not sure if that would cause problems, even, but, just some extra info, anyway.)

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You guys made me curious, so I did a bunch of those tests. I come up as either ENFP or INFP, depending on the test, so I don't knowImage IPB what that means.

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alisgirl wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

He seems to have two modes, the one he generally displays, rambunctious, out/easygoing, talkative... And the real one, the one that comes to the fore speaking about Duncan, during and after making love, or in the Fade where he tells you he does not want to end up dead in a ditch full of Darkspawn.  This to me, says introversion. 

<snip>

perhaps to some extent what happens at the Landsmeet is not as much a problem with Ali as with the player who takes things too much at face value and has simply not delved deeply enough, as most good leaders do, into their allies' true psychology...


I have run into that same "two modes" with extraverts -- if anything, I have found it more difficult to get inside their shell than with introverts. In my experience, extraverts talk a lot about superficial things and it's more difficult to get them to talk about deep or personal things, while introverts don't tend to talk much but when they do, it's about the deeper or more personal things (otherwise they'd just prefer to say nothing). Maybe I have just known a lot more ESXX than ENXX. Anyway, E or I, he is the sweetest thing on two legs!!  :wub::wub:

His meltdown at the Landsmeet was no surprise to me at all when I chose to spare Loghain in a branch -- I'd caught enough references to Loghain and Duncan. But probably the bigger factor was that I felt exactly the same way he did.

Edit: I loved the "dead in a ditch" comment. It made it even more obvious that he knows he is self-sacrificing and is willing to go through with it anyway.


Oh, perhaps you are right.

Not to me either really, I have always found myself as eager to adjust scores with Loggy as he was. It's just he expressed it better and more openly than I dared.

Yes. I think he is one of the most self-aware characters in the game.  What is it that the oracle at Elysis said was the prime mandate for achieving wisdom?: "Know thyself"

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Maria13 wrote...

alisgirl wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

He seems to have two modes, the one he generally displays, rambunctious, out/easygoing, talkative... And the real one, the one that comes to the fore speaking about Duncan, during and after making love, or in the Fade where he tells you he does not want to end up dead in a ditch full of Darkspawn.  This to me, says introversion. 

<snip>

perhaps to some extent what happens at the Landsmeet is not as much a problem with Ali as with the player who takes things too much at face value and has simply not delved deeply enough, as most good leaders do, into their allies' true psychology...


I have run into that same "two modes" with extraverts -- if anything, I have found it more difficult to get inside their shell than with introverts. In my experience, extraverts talk a lot about superficial things and it's more difficult to get them to talk about deep or personal things, while introverts don't tend to talk much but when they do, it's about the deeper or more personal things (otherwise they'd just prefer to say nothing). Maybe I have just known a lot more ESXX than ENXX. Anyway, E or I, he is the sweetest thing on two legs!!  :wub::wub:

His meltdown at the Landsmeet was no surprise to me at all when I chose to spare Loghain in a branch -- I'd caught enough references to Loghain and Duncan. But probably the bigger factor was that I felt exactly the same way he did.

Edit: I loved the "dead in a ditch" comment. It made it even more obvious that he knows he is self-sacrificing and is willing to go through with it anyway.


Oh, perhaps you are right.

Not to me either really, I have always found myself as eager to adjust scores with Loggy as he was. It's just he expressed it better and more openly than I dared.

Yes. I think he is one of the most self-aware characters in the game.  What is it that the oracle at Elysis said was the prime mandate for achieving wisdom?: "Know thyself"


@Errant -- you have just spent four hours at a party where you knew very few people. Do you feel energized or wiped out?  Were you talking to various people or did you spend all night with just a couple of people? If the former, you're an extravert. If the latter, you're an introvert. That's the simplest way for me to tell. You can be smack in the middle too though; it's a continuum, after all.

@Maria -- Yes, or he might be tied with Morrigan, who also seems to thoroughly know who she is and be unapologetic about it. They're opposites, but if either one was less assuredly self-aware, maybe they wouldn't hate each other so much!  (Edit: Really, I dunno on Alistair's E/I thing; you seem to have a better understanding of MBTI than I do. I never got so far into the "introverted feeling," "extraverted intuition," etc. distinctions.)

Modifié par alisgirl, 06 mars 2011 - 09:10 .


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Gah, over a year playing this game & I still get ninga romanced by Lel. Al's jelousy speach is realy out of place once you have been together for almost the whole blight & are engaged.

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rak72 wrote...

Gah, over a year playing this game & I still get ninga romanced by Lel. Al's jelousy speach is realy out of place once you have been together for almost the whole blight & are engaged.


I totally agree!!  I mean he is worried that it was too soon to kiss me when we have been to my tent already?:whistle:

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Rats! Double Post

Modifié par janburg, 07 mars 2011 - 12:35 .