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[Auora]

On another note, I just met with King Alistair in DA2. -POSSIBLE SPOILER-

It's odd, because normally he doesn't mention my warden at all if you pick the 'nice' options(I did the US) BUT, when I pick the 'stern' option, I got this dialogue.

Alistair: What you can do is protect Kirkwall. It will take someone like you to keep it from falling apart.
Hawke: I'm the Champion. If there is a problem, I will deal with it.
Alistair: You remind me a little of someone I once knew....

Squee!!! But, when I looked at his codex, it said that his reign has been plagued with trouble, and that the renewal of a long standing rivalry between the two nations (Fereldon and Orlais) seems inevitable. I wonder if this is a possible theme for DA3.

Modifié par Auora, 22 mars 2011 - 03:57 .

[errant_knight]

Auora wrote...

On another note, I just met with King Alistair in DA2. -POSSIBLE SPOILER-

It's odd, because normally he doesn't mention my warden at all if you pick the 'nice' options(I did the US) BUT, when I pick the 'stern' option, I got this dialogue.

Alistair: What you can do is protect Kirkwall. It will take someone like you to keep it from falling apart.
Hawke: I'm the Champion. If there is a problem, I will deal with it.
Alistair: You remind me a little of someone I once knew....

Squee!!! But, when I looked at his codex, it said that his reign has been plagued with trouble, and that the renewal of a long standing rivalry between the two nations (Fereldon and Orlais) seems inevitable. I wonder if this is a possible theme for DA3.

He speaks at length about the troubles between Orlais and Ferelden there--that's why he came to Kirkwall apparently, to ask Hawke to do something for him related to Orlais, but was unable to do so because he was discovered by Meredith (or maybe figures out just how bad things are in kirkwall.)

Damn! I never read that codex!

[Glorfindel709]

Was anyone besides me excited to see that it was Teagan and not Eamon that showed up with King Alistair/ to bring Drunkistair home? I loved Teagan and had the option existed, I would not have gone to get the Urn of Sacred Ashes and had just allowed Teagan to call the landsmeet.

I mean really, he organizes the civil war and manages pretty much everything until Eamon wakes up. He's gotta have some serious political clout to be able to manage something like that. Not to mention Ive done the Urn last and it was like "Ok, I just woke up from a debilitating coma, give me a half hour to get a cup of coffee and a new pair of clothes and we'll get on the road to Denerim."

Bann Teagan

[tmp7704]

Merilsell wrote...

Hawke: "You don't seem like the typical Grey Warden. Is your order not all serious and so?"
Alistair *shrugs*: "I get that a lot. "

xD

Really liked Warden Alistair cameo, he's downright badass in it (minus the looks, obviously)

And he gave my Hawke a locket which going by how he described it had belonged to my CE. It's called "The Sacred Heart" and now Varric is wearing it. I'm hoping these two run into each other eventually, somewhere, and he gets questioned about it 

Modifié par tmp7704, 22 mars 2011 - 05:57 .

[errant_knight]

Yes, I like Teagan and he and Alistair always got along well. I expect that in the default version, Eamon is acting as chancellor and is running things in Alistair's absence, which leaves Teagan free to travel with Alistair, and do whatever it is they're trying to do about the situation with Orlais. Eamon is a tough bird, but Teagan is more suited to an active role as King Alistair's right hand.

How I wish that DA3 was likely to be our character along with Alistair and Teagan, dealing with Orlais! Of course, if it's entirely grim, I don't want them anywhere near it! I like them too much for that. We certainly got a lot of interesting clues about what Alistair might be involved in, though, either as a warden or as king.

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 mars 2011 - 06:02 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bann Teagan didn't manage the civil war. He contributed to its initiation (because he can't take orders), then was left in Redcliffe trying to defend it from disaster (by hiding in the Chantry). He was not in any position to lead the bannorn and furthermore, no one apparently knew what was going on in Redcliffe. If he had that much political clout, you'd think he'd ask the bannorn to send aid. Furthermore, the bannorn was getting its behind handed to it by Loghain.

And of course Eamon is going to send his politically naive and incompetent yet soft spoken brother to Alistair. Teagan is not going to doubt the intentions of his dear big brother is he. It's irrelevant who brings Alistair back. The more relevent question is, who is going to "keep him"? And who is going to try and use him if he believes there is a benefit to that? And who between the two is the political mind?

Codex entry of Teagan: "Bann Teagan avoids the Denerim court except to go hunting with his nephew, and rarely makes himself heard at the Landsmeet, preferring to leave politics to his brother."

I think the answer is obvious.

[errant_knight]

tmp7704 wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

Hawke: "You don't seem like the typical Grey Warden. Is your order not all serious and so?"
Alistair *shrugs*: "I get that a lot. "

xD

Really liked Warden Alistair cameo, he's downright badass in it (minus the looks, obviously)

And he gave my Hawke a locket which going by how he described it had belonged to my CE. It's called "The Sacred Heart" and now Varric is wearing it. I'm hoping these two run into each other eventually, somewhere, and he gets questioned about it 

I sure wish we had a loolset to get at all the dialogue. Do you remember what he said, other than that they had to go do something that was more important than the war that was  brewing?

[erilben]

All that Grey Warden Alistair says is that they are on an important mission, and they can't tell you what it is. Even if they were not on the mission, they still would not help because Wardens are neutral. That the last time they got involved, the order wasn't happy.

[errant_knight]

erilben wrote...

All that Grey Warden Alistair says is that they are on an important mission, and they can't tell you what it is. Even if they were not on the mission, they still would not help because Wardens are neutral. That the last time they got involved, the order wasn't happy.

Hmm... I wonder what he's referring to there? Because the order doesn't seem to have any problem with him being king when he is--I expect they'd be thrilled to have their position in Ferelden so secure, and the First Warden is very interested in the Wardens having political power in Amaranthine. We're also told that the wardens in the Anderfels effectively rule. Orzammar, maybe?

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 mars 2011 - 06:17 .

[tmp7704]

errant_knight wrote...

I sure wish we had a loolset to get at all the dialogue. Do you remember what he said, other than that they had to go do something that was more important than the war that was  brewing?

Have a save not long before they show up so will see if i can write it down some later today.

[errant_knight]

tmp7704 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I sure wish we had a loolset to get at all the dialogue. Do you remember what he said, other than that they had to go do something that was more important than the war that was  brewing?

Have a save not long before they show up so will see if i can write it down some later today.

That would be excellent! Thanks!

[erilben]

Wardens are "neutral" because they must go into any country to deal with the Blights. It's probably impossible to be truly neutral, but the important thing is not go to war with the qunari. That would interfer with them being able to deal with a Blight in Par Vollen (if that ever happened).

[errant_knight]

erilben wrote...

Wardens are "neutral" because they must go into any country to deal with the Blights. It's probably impossible to be truly neutral, but the important thing is not go to war with the qunari. That would interfer with them being able to deal with a Blight in Par Vollen (if that ever happened).

They're technically neutral, true, but that seems to be a pretty flexible rule. If not being neutral was what it took to put them in a position to fight a blight, I think that's what they'd do. But it would certainly be something to avoid if possible. That's a good point about the Qunari, but that doesn't explain what Alistair was referring to as being disapproved of, and I kind of doubt he's thinking about the Qunari there. Now that I think of it, they might not have too hard a time getting into Qunari territory in any case. Sten reported back to the Arishok and must have reported that a warden is necessary to end the blight.

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 mars 2011 - 07:10 .

[Catspaw]

Yipee! I'll be invisible for awhile now. My game finally came so I'll finally get to play catch up! I will pop in once in awhile to see how Glor is doing with his "feminine side" and what Jon looks like in his bra (that had me howling). Also to see Errant's toolset work.

Is it strange if Jaime Lannister now looks like Alistair in my head while I'm reading Game of Thrones? Guess it's better that Tyrion, right?

[ejoslin]

I can post here what's in the talktable, but bear in mind that the import flags bug prevent the proper dialog for a romanced warden from triggering.

Edit: Ok, here are the warden Alistair lines, but again, keep in mind that hte romanced lines are NOT triggering.  Everyone gets the friendship lines.  And this is the talktable.  Graying out spoilers.

{6135933}I'd like nothing better than to stay and help, but... unfortunately, the mission we're on can't be delayed.
{6135934}You wouldn't think so, right? I'm afraid there are larger things afoot.

{6135937}I can't say more than that. I wish I could, but I swore on my pinky to keep the Warden's secrets.
{6135938}I thought your order was more... serious.
{6135939}You don't seem like a Warden.
{6135940}Really? I thought the Joining was a laugh a minute.{6135943}I get that a lot.
{6135944}Even if I didn't need to go, Grey Wardens aren't supposed to involve themselves in wars like this.{6135947}We did that in Ferelden, after all. The order was <emp>not</emp> impressed, let me tell you.
{6135950}Maybe... this isn't the time for that?


{6135956}Here, maybe this might help? It belonged to the love of my life... and she doesn't need it anymore.
{6135957}Maybe this might help? It belongs to the love of my life... but she seems to find stuff like this everywhere she goes.
{6135958}Here, maybe this might help? It belonged to an old friend of mine... who doesn't need it anymore.
{6135959}Here, maybe this might help? It belongs to an old friend, but I'm willing to bet he'd like you to have it.
{6135960}Here, maybe this might help? It belongs to an old friend, but I'm willing to bet she'd like you to have it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 mars 2011 - 11:31 .

[errant_knight]

Thanks, Ejoslin! I haven't been able to play this Oggs to listent to those or convert them either. Damn oggs. Hate the bloody things. Or did you find a way to open the dialogue files?

Well, that clears up what they didn't approve of. Perhaps they feel differently about involving yourself depending on if you win or lose.

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 mars 2011 - 04:37 .

[Mariefoxprice83]

Catspaw wrote...

Yipee! I'll be invisible for awhile now. My game finally came so I'll finally get to play catch up! I will pop in once in awhile to see how Glor is doing with his "feminine side" and what Jon looks like in his bra (that had me howling). Also to see Errant's toolset work.

Is it strange if Jaime Lannister now looks like Alistair in my head while I'm reading Game of Thrones? Guess it's better that Tyrion, right?

Haha yes.  I'm a long time ASOIAF fan.  Alistair/Tyrion would be weird!   I can see Alistair/Jaimie if Alistair has longer hair like in some of the mods.  Don't want to hijack the thread but it's fun to find new people who know the series so I hope everyone will forgive me.  Are you going to watch the Game of Thrones TV show?  I quite like the look of the guy playing Jaime in that.  I think my male noble dwarf character that I've still got in his Origin storyline is named Tyrion, but he doesn't look like my image of Tyrion  in the books, which is now starting to resemble Peter Dinklage who will be playing him in the TV show. 

[Catspaw]

I don't have access to HBO, so I won't be able to see it until maybe next year after I move back to the US. I read it the first time when the book first came out so I don't really remember what I imagined they looked like. Alistair head works on Jaime anyway. And the voice - gotta have SV's voice, too.

DA2 won't install and I'm a tad fed up after 6 attempts, so I think I'll get me some Alistair lovin' in Origins, then imagine him in the book. Harrumph

[errant_knight]

I copied the King Alistair codex from the game--the bit about the queen being changeable, of course:

King Alistair Theirin was crowned ruler of his kingdom after the end of the Fifth Blight with the legendary Hero of Ferelden reigning as his queen. Both former Grey Wardens are wildly popular in their homeland, though some claim Alistair is not of Theirin blood and that his bloodline as a king's bastard son is a lie imposed on Ferelden to depose Queen Anora. Thus, the royal's rule has been plagued with trouble, both within the kingdom as well as with neighboring Orlais. The Blight greatly weakened Ferelden, and many believe a renewal of the long-standing rivalry between the two nations is inevitable.

This is interesting not only for the information about a brewing war with Orlais, but because of the mention of internal troubles. That seems to imply that even though the King Alistair end slide in Origins doesn't mention the uprising that Queen Anora's does (as far as I remember), it still occurs, no matter who the ruler is. He does seem to still skip the uprising from the city elves, though.

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 mars 2011 - 05:10 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

The uprising against Anora only happens if Alistair is alive, according to the epilogue. But it does imply some internal dissatisfaction, that is also shared by Alistair.

The roots of the civil war are very deep and ingrained in the entire political system. One person's presence / name is not enough to fix it and there will always be excuses to fuel internal dissent.

I dont' recall getting a codex on Anora in DA2. That sucks.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 mars 2011 - 05:16 .

[Giggles_Manically]

If there are wars in a country over APPLE TREES I have faint hope for it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

If there are wars in a country over APPLE TREES I have faint hope for it.

You know, I can understand why someone would go Costin on their asses and kill them all.

[errant_knight]

I suspect it doesn't matter what the codex said in Origins. There will be a war with Orlais, and rebellion at home as a plot point.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

If there are wars in a country over APPLE TREES I have faint hope for it.

You know, I can understand why someone would go Costin on their asses and kill them all.

Why go to all that effort?
I hear that Orlais is lovely this time of year.

[Lady Jess]

errant_knight wrote...

erilben wrote...

All that Grey Warden Alistair says is that they are on an important mission, and they can't tell you what it is. Even if they were not on the mission, they still would not help because Wardens are neutral. That the last time they got involved, the order wasn't happy.

Hmm... I wonder what he's referring to there? Because the order doesn't seem to have any problem with him being king when he is--I expect they'd be thrilled to have their position in Ferelden so secure, and the First Warden is very interested in the Wardens having political power in Amaranthine. We're also told that the wardens in the Anderfels effectively rule. Orzammar, maybe?

Aside from the throne, we got involved in political issues twice. Orz as mentioned, and the Civil War itself. If it's warden Alistair saying this then it makes sense. I have yet to import my real wardens until bugs are fixed. My inner Brosca would start a war if Zev hit on Hawke. And my Chancellor Amell import is one of my favorites too, so that kinda sucks. I've been using a save generator to play.

Edited to add: Of course they don't gripe if he's king, they aren't going to go after the ruler of a country that once banned the order. They may be angry but they basically have to STFU.  The Amaranthine is spurred by the Ferelden ruler giving them the arling. It kinda goes off the page there but, well it's awakening...I like to pretend it doesn't exist even while I'm playing it these days to finish my multtiple saves.

Modifié par Lady Jess, 22 mars 2011 - 06:06 .