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[theskymoves]

If you don't want to mod your game, you can Ultimate Sacrifice your Warden by not including Alistair in your party for the end game. Or you can mod your game with the righteous and awesome Improved Romance Scenes, punch him in the face and knock him out: spoilerific YouTube link.

ToP, again.... sheesh!

Modifié par theskymoves, 26 août 2011 - 04:36 .

[rak72]

@Fata - you need to either knock him out or leave him at the gates if you want to do the US

Speaking of mods, don't forget your Alistair t Adore itms on my progect page:

Alistair at Adore

Modifié par rak72, 26 août 2011 - 04:22 .

[RagingCyclone]

Sombody's been drinking...*dropping random Ali pic from Redcliffe*

[Merilsell]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Hey fellow Alistair fans, I have question.

I finished the game for the first time and am completely depressed by the ending. Alistair died.

I have an elf mage. Is there any way for her to live happily ever after with Alistair, aside from letting him have sex with Morigan so that no Grey Warden has to die? Also, If I play the game over as human noble, will I get to stay with Alistair even if he's king?

Don't make Alistair king. Take the ODG deal, kill archie and run off in the sunset together for a happy wardening.  This is the closest you can get to a happy ending, imo.

Rage: I also have a ton of prompts collected, but I first need more people to partipate. Rather prompt giver or prompt filler that doesn't matter. Or we both end up giving prompts and fill them on our own. Not that I complaining, but a few more regulars would be nice, like the bunch of people we had before.

[Merilsell]

Also here a pic of Alistair staring on Lenya's ass, just because.



He is rather focused on Lenya's body parts these days *snicker*

[Fata Morgana]

Well I just read a comic written by one of the head writers for dragon age, that gives some much-needed context to Morigan's offer. I think I can accept it now, for at least one playthrough. Would have been nice to have that context in-game, though.

[RagingCyclone]

Fata, there is also the Morrigan Dialogue Restoration Patch that restored a lot of that missed content regarding her, her feelings toward a romanced warden, Flemeth, and the DR. But I also know what comic you are referring to, and a cutscene mod was made for that as well.

[java_jive_girl]

Merilsell wrote...

Rage: I also have a ton of prompts collected, but I first need more people to partipate. Rather prompt giver or prompt filler that doesn't matter. Or we both end up giving prompts and fill them on our own. Not that I complaining, but a few more regulars would be nice, like the bunch of people we had before.

What is this prompt thing you guys are talking about?  I may be interested.

[Merilsell]

I just copy and paste what's had been written in the Alistair weekly challenge group, since this explains it best, imo:

GENERAL RULES AND GUIDELINE FOR PARTICIPANTS:

All entries are welcome! Ficlets, sketches, photo-manips, toolset creations, screen captures, and other various media of choice can be submitted. This is completely open to everyone, including the lurkers.

Prompts will be announced on Saturdays and will be posted in the Alistair Gush Thread as well as here. Keep in mind that once a prompt has been set, you have 1 week to submit your work until the next prompt has been assigned.

We encourage keeping the prompt fill limited to 1 hour. However, we will not discourage if you, the artist, feel the need to spend more time on your work. It’s good to be as creative as possible, but, please do not stress on it too much as we would like to avoid signing any waivers for unintentional mental breakdowns

You will submit your work in the Alistair Gush Thread, but this group will be used to archive the submissions.

If your entry is NSFW, please provide a link only, as well as fair warning to those who would bravely venture out.

This is not a contest. Therefore there will be no judging or any prizes given. We want to give this a laid-back atmosphere and the idea behind here is to have fun and encourage inspired minds to break out of their shell (if they haven’t already).

GENERAL RULES AND GUIDELINE FOR “PROMPT GIVERS”, A.K.A. ROMPER-PROMPTERS (daz rite! it’s a title):

Prompts will be given in order of the list below:
[Meri: We need a new list, since this one is outdated]

Please announce the prompts in the Alistair Gush Thread as well as here, in this discussion page.

Try to keep the prompt as flexible as possible so that it can accommodate every possible participant.

It’s not necessary to restrict the prompt to just one word or phrase. It can be a start of a sentence or a specific scenario. But try to keep it as simple as possible to avoid confusion.

Even if it’s your turn to set a prompt, you can still submit your own work. The more the merrier!

Any questions left?

[Penarddun]

I only discovered DA:O two months ago. And for some crazy reason I felt the need to read this whole thread before posting. I blame all the interesting discussions and prompts you've had along the way. And Thursday theme days.

It's good to know I'm not the only one who seems to have this Alistair affliction. I've never had a fangirl type reaction to any character before, or actor for that matter. David Gaider created a masterpiece, that can be the only explanation. During my first playthrough, I got to Ostagar, and my friend kept bugging me to go find Alistair. And I was all "hold on, I want to buy supplies and look over here first." Little did I know what I was in for. I'm not really sure when I started falling for him. Because when I first saw him, I kept thinking "what is wrong with his nose." But then somewhere inbetween Ostagar and Redcliffe something must have happened. It crept up on me and then while in the Gnawed Noble Tavern I was turning around and clicked on Alistair by accident, and he gives me the rose. I was so surprised because not only was I not expecting it, but I hadn't even planned to talk to him at that moment, so it just made it so unexpected and real. :wub::wub:

Sadly I'm stuck on the Xbox. I would love to play with the toolset and use all the beautiful additional scenes you've created. But I figure once I get a new computer that can run the PC version, I'll get to experience Alistair Dragon Age, all over again, in an even better way.

Modifié par Penarddun, 26 août 2011 - 06:51 .

[Fata Morgana]

I have to say that the more I think about it, the more I like the fact that the 'happy' ending can only be achieved through a lot of work and maneuvering, and requires sacrifice on the part of the player (not just sacrifice from the in-game character, but sacrifice from the player themself).

I think that if my elf were truly selfless, she would let Logain live, losing Alistair, and then sacrifice herself to kill the archdemon. If she were truly a good. But she's not. She wants Alistair to be happy with her. She (roleplaying) even feels bad about it, feels pathetic and knows how truly she misses the mark of being a hero.

[Fata Morgana]

(sorry I keep talking about this, it's on my mind and I don't know where else to post it. Also I'm at work so can't start trying alternate game decision-making yet and it makes me antsy)

[Penarddun]

I found the happy ending not all that hard to fall into for me and my characters. I'm not sure if that's because of the way I rp'ed my Wardens or if it's just the way I look at events myself. But the DR never bothered me much. Yes, there was a moment of an "Ugh" feeling, but it's just a one time deal. And I was pretty good friends with Morrigan at that time, so I asked her a lot of questions about the child and trusted her motivations were okay, before asking Alistair to do it. I was actually intrigued at the possibility to preserve an old god. I thought (and still think) he could be a future ally.

[Fata Morgana]

Penarddun wrote...

I found the happy ending not all that hard to fall into for me and my characters. I'm not sure if that's because of the way I rp'ed my Wardens or if it's just the way I look at events myself. But the DR never bothered me much. Yes, there was a moment of an "Ugh" feeling, but it's just a one time deal. And I was pretty good friends with Morrigan at that time, so I asked her a lot of questions about the child and trusted her motivations were okay, before asking Alistair to do it. I was actually intrigued at the possibility to preserve an old god. I thought (and still think) he could be a future ally.

The thing that concerns me most about it is the fact that Alistair will have a child running around that he'll never get to meet, and that Alistair doesn't trust Morrigan. So for him he's giving a part of himself to one of his enemies, and he doesn't know how she's going to taint or pervert that part of himself. It may be something that weighs on him for the rest of his life. And Alistair is obviously a person of old-fashioned/traditional values, so there are many levels of reasons for him to be constantly gnawed at by this decision. It's not like, "10 years from now that decision will be a memory", instead it's, "10 years from now I will have a ten year old child and will have no idea what he's doing. Maybe he's killing people. And that would be my fault."

Modifié par Fata Morgana, 26 août 2011 - 07:35 .

[rak72]

Fata Morgana wrote...

(sorry I keep talking about this, it's on my mind and I don't know where else to post it. Also I'm at work so can't start trying alternate game decision-making yet and it makes me antsy)

That's cool, Fata.  This is the place to talk about it.

I like that you can have a happy ending if that's the way you like it, & you work a little at it.  I also like that there is the option for a sad ending if that is the way you prefer your stories.  I think this was a big problem I had with DA2- it just pushed you in one direction, and didn't let you affect things in a way that would make the story more satisfying to youself as a player.  Itseems like the witers were writing a story more to satisfy themselves.

Happy ending:

[Penarddun]

Fata Morgana wrote...
It's not like, "10 years from now that decision will be a memory", instead it's, "10 years from now I will have a ten year old child and will have no idea what he's doing. Maybe he's killing people. And that would be my fault."

That does make sense. And I can see Alistair worrying about that, especially if he was alone. But since my Warden would be there to keep repeating to him her reasons for why she thinks it's a good idea, I'm assuming that would be enough to keep his "mental demons" at bay.

Also, it's not just a regular child that Alistair doesn't get to see. It's an Old God. I'm not sure what the lore says about that, but I assumed it's not really Alistair or Morrigan's child, they were just the vehicle, so to speak, for the old god to be reborn.

[rak72]

I think the DR was really unfair to the ladies. Guys romancing Mo didn't have to worry about having their GF sleeping with some other dude & having a baby with him. They got to have a baby with their woman & disappear though the mirror with her later. If you were a dude romancing someone else, you could ship Alistair off to do it, so you don't have to cheat on your LI. They should have let Riordan be able to do the ritual to make it fair .

[Merilsell]

My Wardens are mostly in the mindset "If the apocalypse comes, beep me" because they already have sacrificed so much to save Ferelden, their life is shortened, they always will have nightmares etc. So why aren't they allowed to have a bit of happiness for themselves? Alistair is probably the only thing my Wardens are egoistic about. Which is why they do all to keep him alive and at their side, as well as happy, of course. Dealing with the OGB can be done when sht hits the fan.

Until then it is Amaranthine beach party, baby xD

[Maria13]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Penarddun wrote...

I found the happy ending not all that hard to fall into for me and my characters. I'm not sure if that's because of the way I rp'ed my Wardens or if it's just the way I look at events myself. But the DR never bothered me much. Yes, there was a moment of an "Ugh" feeling, but it's just a one time deal. And I was pretty good friends with Morrigan at that time, so I asked her a lot of questions about the child and trusted her motivations were okay, before asking Alistair to do it. I was actually intrigued at the possibility to preserve an old god. I thought (and still think) he could be a future ally.

The thing that concerns me most about it is the fact that Alistair will have a child running around that he'll never get to meet, and that Alistair doesn't trust Morrigan. So for him he's giving a part of himself to one of his enemies, and he doesn't know how she's going to taint or pervert that part of himself. It may be something that weighs on him for the rest of his life. And Alistair is obviously a person of old-fashioned/traditional values, so there are many levels of reasons for him to be constantly gnawed at by this decision. It's not like, "10 years from now that decision will be a memory", instead it's, "10 years from now I will have a ten year old child and will have no idea what he's doing. Maybe he's killing people. And that would be my fault."

Rak's right there are myriad views on the DR among Alistair fans. Mine is more in accordance with Fata's than with Penar's but it is just my view, neither better nor worse than anyone else's. I thought it had fictional potential and so chose to construct my main FF around it. Just to add, my most extreme view was that Morrie obviously delights in bullying Alistair and playing on his insecurities and uses the DR to take this even further... But this is just a view.

As for the prompts, can't promise anything but I shall take 'em with an open mind and might be able to contribute.  My muse can be finicky at times...

[theskymoves]

@Fata - Welcome, and don't apologize! I absolutely feel your pain. The Ritual is a decision I struggle with every time, for some the very reasons you cite, and even though I almost always force Alistair to go through with it, only one of my Wardens got "the happy ending". I like Alistair dumped after the fact much better than dead, grieving, or tied to a weak, selfish, manipulative woman.

Modifié par theskymoves, 26 août 2011 - 08:23 .

[Penarddun]

rak72 wrote...
I think the DR was really unfair to the ladies. Guys romancing Mo didn't have to worry about having their GF sleeping with some other dude & having a baby with him. They got to have a baby with their woman & disappear though the mirror with her later.

True, the female Wardens were put in a position to make a decision the male Wardens never had to. I need to play a male Warden one of these days to do the Morrigan romance and follow her through the mirror. That's one of my favorite endings, with seemingly unending potential for future stories.

I understand the other side of the DR argument, I'm just glad I can find peace with doing it pesonally. Otherwise all my canon's would be dying at the end. And watching that funeral scene for my Warden once was heart wrenchinge enough.

Riordan should have been an option though. He wouldn't even have had to know.... Morrigan could have just seduced him.

Modifié par Penarddun, 26 août 2011 - 08:14 .

[Fata Morgana]

Penarddun wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...
It's not like, "10 years from now that decision will be a memory", instead it's, "10 years from now I will have a ten year old child and will have no idea what he's doing. Maybe he's killing people. And that would be my fault."

That does make sense. And I can see Alistair worrying about that, especially if he was alone. But since my Warden would be there to keep repeating to him her reasons for why she thinks it's a good idea, I'm assuming that would be enough to keep his "mental demons" at bay.

Mental demons don't really work like that, unfortunately. You can't help someone stop obsessing over something just by giving them intelligent reasons not to. Or by telling them, "don't obsess."

Also, it's not just a regular child that Alistair doesn't get to see. It's an Old God. I'm not sure what the lore says about that, but I assumed it's not really Alistair or Morrigan's child, they were just the vehicle, so to speak, for the old god to be reborn.

This may be true, but the problem is with how Alistair sees it, not with whatever the objective truth is.  Given his traditional values, I would extrapolate that Alistair would see it as a child that was possessed, meaning still his child, that he is abandoning to ... what?   I think that would be the worst part, for Alistair: the not knowing. It would be one thing to create a child only to kill it; then at least he knows it's dead and he can deal with the guilt of that. It's a thousand times worse to create a child and throw it into some kind of world which may be a living hell, for all Alistair knows. Maybe it will be the best thing ever for the kid, but there's no way to know.

And it's an even bigger button pusher for him as he's a bastard child himself and felt abandoned by his family. So he might even have some angst about putting another child in exactly the same position that he was in. In fact, it's even worse for that kid, because anyone who knows Morrigan knows that she doesn't believe in love, and so this child, if it is a child, will get no normal human affection.

[Fata Morgana]

I guess maybe it is unfair to us ladies that we have to deal with the extra layer of terrible that's involved with the DR. On the other hand, it does provide (for me) a richer story, so I think I prefer it.

And there may be dudes playing out there who are gay and always wanted to get it on with Alistair, and so have the same problem that ladies do with the whole thing, even if they never got to romance him.

[Penarddun]

Fata Morgana wrote...
It would be one thing to create a child only to kill it; then at least he knows it's dead and he can deal with the guilt of that.

That's how my Warden thinks of it. As though the other child was killed. And I would hope that Alistair would eventually think of it the same way. The idea of him comparing it to his own bastard upbringing is probably the most poignant of all the arguments against the dark ritual for me personally.

I think it really comes down to how much your Warden trusts Morrigan. After I gifted her the mirror, the scene I got (she was at 90+ approval) made me believe she was sincere with her friendship to me, and would tell me the truth. And although Alistair hates her, he is also someone who trusts the Warden, and I got the feeling that if my Warden trusted Morrigan, Alistair would too, to some extent.

But it could easily be rp'd in a completely different way, where Alistair has it gnaw at him for the next 30 years. Either way is a valid argument.

And @ Merilsell, I love your FF. Lenya is so much fun to read. I went from wanting to shake her in the beginning to being completely sucked in and on her side in the last 10 or so chapters. I read about 4 chapters at a time, so I'm waiting for you to publish another two and then will read those 4. The cliff hangers kill me sometimes so I need a few at a time to read.

Modifié par Penarddun, 26 août 2011 - 08:34 .