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[theskymoves]

RagingCyclone wrote...

<----married unhardened Alistair to Anora once

Even I wouldn't do that! (And I'm the one who quite often breaks up with him in Fort Drakon, right before facing Archie...)

ARRRRRRRRGHH! ToP!!!! Why, Maker? WHHHHHYYYYYY???????
(back with screenshot, shortly)



Took Alistair to meet Goldanna the other day... Cousland is now at -19 (Dis)Approval. *shakes head*

Modifié par theskymoves, 23 septembre 2011 - 04:28 .

[RagingCyclone]

I didn't do it...really...she did...(Ciara)

[Maricsblade]

I thought Alistair had to be hardened to marry Anora. I guess not if you arrange it ahead. Another section for my flowchart. I AM documenting this and I WILL win! This kind of complexity is what I really missed in DA2, which felt totally on rails to me.

[Maricsblade]

Oh yeah, TSM, I'm not being a sadist, I'm being a masochist. If I harden Alistair I can't avoid taking the easy way out with the persuade option. I did it to force myself to get dumped.

[RagingCyclone]

Yep, Ciara romanced Alistair, dumped him for Zevran, dumped Zevran for Loghain, arranged the marriage before the Landsmeet, spared Loghain, but still married Alistair to Anora, then fed Loghain to Archie and went back to Zevran...interesting playthrough that one was. hehe

[theskymoves]

alisgirl wrote...

Oh yeah, TSM, I'm not being a sadist, I'm being a masochist. If I harden Alistair I can't avoid taking the easy way out with the persuade option. I did it to force myself to get dumped.

I was just teasin', alisgirl.

[AbsoluteApril]

RagingCyclone wrote...
arranged the marriage before the Landsmeet, spared Loghain, but still married Alistair to Anora, then fed Loghain to Archie <snip>

I thought if you spared Loghain then Alistair would run off?

I am planning to spare him in my next PT

[theskymoves]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...
arranged the marriage before the Landsmeet, spared Loghain, but still married Alistair to Anora, then fed Loghain to Archie <snip>

I thought if you spared Loghain then Alistair would run off?

I am planning to spare him in my next PT

No, he'll still become king and marry Anora, should you point him in that direction. (That scenario was my worst PT, ever. Elf Mage romanced Alistair-hardened him-married to Anora-spared Loghain-Loghain Redeemer-Alistair hates Warden, forever.)

~tsm

edited to say that Rage's answer is better. Carry on...

Modifié par theskymoves, 23 septembre 2011 - 05:19 .

[RagingCyclone]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...
arranged the marriage before the Landsmeet, spared Loghain, but still married Alistair to Anora, then fed Loghain to Archie <snip>

I thought if you spared Loghain then Alistair would run off?

I am planning to spare him in my next PT

He won't stay with you as a companion, but he will not run off to become Drunkenstair either. It's not a good life for him either as Anora basically treats him like a kid.

Modifié par RagingCyclone, 23 septembre 2011 - 05:11 .

[Yankee23]

alisgirl wrote...

@rak—Doesn't it, though? I'd seen it before, quickly, in a kind of trying-not-to-look-at-a-car-crash sort of way, and deleted it…

*more mini-spoilers*

I wonder why your Cousland lost the option to make herself Queen? That sounds a little buggy. Also last night I tried the Persuade option with the mage and was treated to Alistair dissing me in front of the entire Landsmeet. I had assumed that the option just wouldn't come up unless you were playing Cousland.

It's not buggy that she lost the Queen option, it's happened to me too. If you push the dialogue about sparing Loghain too far but back out of it at the last possible minute Alistair will just take the throne.

Some of the "mistress" dialoge is just as sucky as the breakup.

[Maricsblade]

Hmm, what happens if you spare Loghain and you do the US? Is there still a eulogy?

[Maricsblade]

RagingCyclone wrote...

I didn't do it...really...she did...(Ciara)

Wow, Rage, that is quite some getup Ciara's wearing. What is it?

Sorry for being so mod-clueless, everyone. I feel that I have enough to do without screwing around with mods, but sometimes things catch my eye. And I find out what they are. And forget to record it somewhere. And…

[Maricsblade]

rak72 wrote...

I really liked that fill, Rage


"dude, you think it's too late for us to return to the templars"???

This is quite the mod-o-rama. And everyone looks fabulous!

[RagingCyclone]

alisgirl---it's called Silverlight and was being tested, but never finished. I think the mod author quit playing DA? I tested it while playing Ciara's run.

tsm-- minus 19? what are you doing to the lad to make him hate you so?

Modifié par RagingCyclone, 23 septembre 2011 - 06:15 .

[theskymoves]

RagingCyclone wrote...

tsm-- minus 19? what are you doing to the lad to make him hate you so?

Nothing out of the ordinary.

Here's what I posted about the on-going Cousland disaster on Tumblr. (I lost an aggregate 2 Approval points on the Goldanna visit after writing this.):

Warden #1, F!Amell: Flirty, fun malificar. Openly
contemptuous of Chantry. Pragmatic. Not inherently evil and frequently
downright kind and helpful. Sided with mages, let Jowan go, trafficked
with Connor’s demon. Already recruited Zevran (Zev ASAP mod) &
insulted Alistair in the process. (That’s a -5 Approval hit, right?)

Warden #2, F!Cousland: Serious, focused Warrior/Templar. Consumed by duty (to revenge her family, and as a Grey Warden). Still considers regards herself nobility. Devout Andrastrian. Doesn’t trust mages, at all. Sided with Templars at Kinloch Hold, killed Jowan, let Isolde kill Connor. Hasn’t encountered Zevran yet, so no approval loss from Alistair (yet).

Both Alistairs were given one non-plot gift, and most of the incidental plot decisions have either been the same or were offset by a different approval altering decision (i.e. helped Bella vs. Kaitlyn). I’ve had all of the same Warden-initiated conversations in both games, and have tried not to deviate too radically from the conversation paths taken, within the boundaries of roleplay.

So Cousland should be the girl of his dreams, right? Ha!

Alistair approval of Amell after completing ‘Broken Circle’ and ‘Arl of Redcliffe’ (as far as dealing with Connor) is +77 Adore. And Cousland, at exactly the same point? -17, though if I compromise the roleplay and take a less true to the character approach during the post-Connor in-camp AliRant and “why did
you conceal your birthright?” conversations I can salvage a +28 Interested out of him.

Unscientific analysis: Amell was supposed to be my all-yelling-all-frowning-all-pouting Alistair hate run; Cousland, my perfect fairy tale ending game. Instead, it turns our our little Templar is all grown up and likes bad girls, and he’s only all about duty if it’s his duty. Roleplay is such an adventure!  *scratches head*

(edited to add that the Zevran encounter never did trigger for Cousland, so debugging that will be another -5 (?) or so...)

Modifié par theskymoves, 23 septembre 2011 - 06:59 .

[RagingCyclone]

tsm---yeah, it can go way off sometimes. And I can say I have once done the -100 on Alistair just to get the speech. Never progressed after that, but that speech...hilarious!

This is not mine, but it's the same speech:

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[theskymoves]

RagingCyclone wrote...

tsm---yeah, it can go way off sometimes. And I can say I have once done the -100 on Alistair just to get the speech. Never progressed after that, but that speech...hilarious!

This is not mine, but it's the same speech:

I did the -100 Hostile thing on a different PT... *drools*

[GSSAGE7]

theskymoves wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...

tsm-- minus 19? what are you doing to the lad to make him hate you so?

Unscientific analysis: Amell was supposed to be my all-yelling-all-frowning-all-pouting Alistair hate run; Cousland, my perfect fairy tale ending game. Instead, it turns our our little Templar is all grown up and likes bad girls, and he’s only all about duty if it’s his duty. Roleplay is such an adventure!  *scratches head*

Based on what you wrote, it seems obvious that Alistair wouldn't like the Cousland. Alistair seems the type to like someone telling him he's funny and all that. He doesn't exactly like the chantry much either, after his experiences as a Templar.
Although I do love the irony of Alistair liking the unapologtetic blood mage more than the dutiful Grey Warden.

[theskymoves]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

He doesn't exactly like the chantry much either, after his experiences as a Templar.

I seem to recall getting some massive disapproval from him after one of my Wardens threatened/intimidated the Revered Mother in Lothering, though I could be misremembering...

Modifié par theskymoves, 23 septembre 2011 - 08:52 .

[GSSAGE7]

theskymoves wrote...

GSSAGE7 wrote...

He doesn't exactly like the chantry much either, after his experiences as a Templar.

I seem to recall getting some massive disapproval from him after one of my Wardens threatened/intimidated the Revered Mother in Lothering, though I could be misremembering...

Yes, because you're threatening an old woman. It has nothing to do with her being a priest. He's not as serious about it as Leliana or Wynne, considering the how he laughed at those two priests in Denerim, and doesn't attack you over the Sacred Ashes.

Modifié par GSSAGE7, 23 septembre 2011 - 09:00 .

[theskymoves]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

theskymoves wrote...

GSSAGE7 wrote...

He doesn't exactly like the chantry much either, after his experiences as a Templar.

I seem to recall getting some massive disapproval from him after one of my Wardens threatened/intimidated the Revered Mother in Lothering, though I could be misremembering...

Yes, because you're threatening an old woman. It has nothing to do with her being a priest. He's not as serious about it as Leliana or Wynne, considering the how he laughed at those two priests in Denerim, and doesn't attack you over the Sacred Ashes.

Which is why I should just stop playing, because I'll never suss the NPC motivations in this game. Thanks for the clarity.

[GSSAGE7]

theskymoves wrote...

GSSAGE7 wrote...

theskymoves wrote...

GSSAGE7 wrote...

He doesn't exactly like the chantry much either, after his experiences as a Templar.

I seem to recall getting some massive disapproval from him after one of my Wardens threatened/intimidated the Revered Mother in Lothering, though I could be misremembering...

Yes, because you're threatening an old woman. It has nothing to do with her being a priest. He's not as serious about it as Leliana or Wynne, considering the how he laughed at those two priests in Denerim, and doesn't attack you over the Sacred Ashes.

Which is why I should just stop playing, because I'll never suss the NPC motivations in this game. Thanks for the clarity.

Alistair likes fun. Joke around, tell him he's funny, and he'll melt. Keep that, and the fact that he's "good" aligned, and he's in the bag.
I can figure out Alistair easily cause he's a better looking, more useful in a fight than I am.

[theskymoves]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Alistair likes fun. Joke around, tell him he's funny, and he'll melt. Keep that, and the fact that he's "good" aligned, and he's in the bag.

Everything you say is true. Having played through the Alistair romance nearly a dozen times, though, the "laugh at his jokes and tell him he's handsome" way got boring real quick (for me). (Sweet, but boring.) Bottom line: I found Alistair (and DA in general) to be lot more interesting and challenging (IMO) when roleplaying, rather than meta gaming.

File under: I am clearly doing it wrong.

pax~
tsm

edited to fix misplaced punctuation

Modifié par theskymoves, 23 septembre 2011 - 09:50 .

[moogie1963]

@ Raging Cyclone Your writing was really good. I liked it

[Maricsblade]

@tsm—I was always so careful not to say anything that might upset him. Little did I know that those "dangerous" lines always got the best responses.

@gs—I found it a little disconcerting that Alistair didn't object about the Ashes, given that he was a little awestruck at having found them. Though it was more for "finding a seemingly mythological relic"–type reasons that religious reasons.

Edit: Wow, I think someone just unfollowed me on Tumblr because I posted Errant's commission of Alistair executing Loghain. Some people are SOOOOOOO touchy!

Modifié par alisgirl, 23 septembre 2011 - 11:00 .