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[Merilsell]

theskymoves wrote...

@Merilsell, @rak - Awww, y'all are really kind. I'm still new to the board, though, and should probably keep my participation to a minimum: the odd screenshot or question, no opinions.

thanks~
tsm

Sorry, but I don't get your logic. Especially when you are new, you should voice your opinion. How could you establish yourself otherwise? Whatever that means, however. And it is not that you are all new either: you had fun here before, right? And then after the one thing that happened you don't allow yourself that anymore? Why?  What do you fear could happen? Sigh, I don't want to pressure people to their fortune, but I just don't get it. You haven't offended anyone here, nor is it so that we don't can take a friendly joke. Don't be shy. Or I will come and poke you with a stick  

Meri *totally loves her new shiny gif avatar* 

Modifié par Merilsell, 18 octobre 2011 - 06:27 .

[theskymoves]

Merilsell wrote...

theskymoves wrote...

@Merilsell, @rak - Awww, y'all are really kind. I'm still new to the board, though, and should probably keep my participation to a minimum: the odd screenshot or question, no opinions.

thanks~
tsm

Sorry, but I don't get your logic. Especially when you are new, you should voice your opinion. How could you establish yourself otherwise? Whatever that means, however. And it is not that you are all new either: you had fun here before, right? And then after the one thing that happened you don't allow yourself that anymore? Why?  What do you fear could happen? Sigh, I don't want to pressure people to their fortune, but I just don't get it. You haven't offended anyone here, nor is it so that we don't can take a friendly joke. Don't be shy. Or I will come and poke you with a stick  

Meri *totally loves her new shiny gif avatar* 

No stick poking. Please? I bruise easily.

pax~
tsm (who wishes her screenshots looked like that)

[ShimmeringDjinn]

[rak72]

@ tsm -  poke poke

Modifié par rak72, 18 octobre 2011 - 07:23 .

[RagingCyclone]

tms...must share...poke poke

And I don't have any new Ali RDT...but here is one of a different sort...lol

[tklivory]

@tsm - pokety poke poke

Please participate!  This is a forum for Alistairians, and though we may be diminished in number, we shall not be diminished in enthusiasm!  Go Team Ali!!

I mean, I just started posting on what, Friday?  And I think most people would say that I've managed to carpet-bomb the forum with waaaaay too many words.  But I'm having fun, I love seeing what other people have to think, create, & write, and I look forward to seeing what you think, create, & write/draw/whatever.  We wouldn't be here if we didn't care, and our common interest (in Alistair, in Dragon Age, in whatever) will always serve to link us together.  If passion drives us to discord, that same passion will inevitably draw us back together (as long as we agree to disagree, if necessary.)  Besides, make up sex is the best, anyways.

So, come one, come all.  Go team Alistair!!!

/rant. sorry. got carried away there.  Some RDTs for your perusal:


Bye bye, redshirtneck guy, whoever you were.





Bye bye, Vaughan, you SOB!





Bye bye, Archie!





Hello, hot naked Alistair!

Modifié par tklivory, 18 octobre 2011 - 08:59 .

[ShimmeringDjinn]

@tklivory. Love the strategically placed wolf lol.

[tklivory]

@Djinn - should I point out that it requires an Alpha Wolf (not just any ordinary wold) to provide cover?  No?  Then I won't.




Also, I saw this link posted in this thread a loooong way back, and I thought I'd post it again because
1) It's extremely well-done - touching, funny, and meaningful
2) It's a cool way of telling a story that some people may not have considered in contributing to the thread.  Just sayin'.
3)When it was last posted in the thread, it wasn't complete, and now the story is complete

EDIT:
Just found out in the Zev thread that the BSN user Corker is the one responsible for the kewl writing I linked. Now I recommend it even more highly!

Modifié par tklivory, 18 octobre 2011 - 10:48 .

[moogie1963]

I try to send a picture
http://i1202.photobu...28033405428.jpg

[moogie1963]

is not working ,i try again later.......

Modifié par moogie1963, 18 octobre 2011 - 09:53 .

[moogie1963]

next try

[Merilsell]

Yay, you made it Generally seen it is a very beautiful picture, but why is Alistair making out with her head o.O Ahh, glitches, never getting old.

Also for the few not on my FL but reading my story, I bring a fresh chapter update. Use either the link in my signature or this one which brings you directly to the latest one

[tklivory]

Merilsell wrote...

Also for the few not on my FL but reading my story, I bring a fresh chapter update. Use either the link in my signature or this one which brings you directly to the latest one

Excuse me while I go into full on Squee mode.

*Ahem*



Yay, more Lenya!

[Bratt1204]

Merilsell wrote...

Try the "You owe me" line for getting a suggestive Alistair

Since I haven't been for ages here in the Ali-thread, here a little pic as an offer of peace:

<3<3

[Penarddun]

tmp7704 wrote...
The catch is, quite a few lines you can pick reduce your score. So you have much better chance if you don't tell him too many details, and don't leave him time to think about it.

I wanted to tell Alistair the truth and give him all the information, as well as not use persuade checks, and I think I used the exact same dialogue with him on both occasions, but without the "I will sacrifice myself" line to Riordan beforehand the second time, when Alistair ended up not agreeing.

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if telling Riordan you will sacrifice yourself affects this conversation at all, or if I accidentally left out something in this convo that made him refuse the second time.

theskymoves wrote...
@Penarddun - If it's not too much trouble, can  I ask which dialogue choices you used?

Sure, here it is. Also Alistair seems to think he is King during this whole conversation, but he is not.

- Yes, she told me something very important.
- You know I love you, right?
- What if I told you there was a way to avoid dying tomorrow?
- You're wildest dreams come true: sex with Morrigan!
- I won't lie to you, it will produce a child.
- I think she wants to make some kind of Old God.

Now here is where the persuade options come in (but I made sure to avoid them)

- I'm sure this is the right thing to do.
- I would do it myself if I could.
- Do you really want to risk dying tomorrow?

This got him to agree when I had previously told Riordan and Alistair I would make the sacrifice. But unless I accidentally left out one of these the second time, when I didn't say that to Riordan, Alistair refused.

Modifié par Penarddun, 19 octobre 2011 - 12:53 .

[theskymoves]

Penarddun wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...
The catch is, quite a few lines you can pick reduce your score. So you have much better chance if you don't tell him too many details, and don't leave him time to think about it.

I wanted to tell Alistair the truth and give him all the information, as well as not use persuade checks, and I think I used the exact same dialogue with him on both occasions, but without the "I will sacrifice myself" line to Riordan beforehand the second time, when Alistair ended up not agreeing.

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if telling Riordan you will sacrifice yourself affects this conversation at all, or if I accidentally left out something in this convo that made him refuse the second time.

theskymoves wrote...
@Penarddun - If it's not too much trouble, can  I ask which dialogue choices you used?

Sure, here it is. Also Alistair seems to think he is King during this whole conversation, but he is not.

- Yes, she told me something very important.
- You know I love you, right?
- What if I told you there was a way to avoid dying tomorrow?
- You're wildest dreams come true: sex with Morrigan!
- I won't lie to you, it will produce a child.
- I think she wants to make some kind of Old God.

Now here is where the persuade options come in (but I made sure to avoid them)

- I'm sure this is the right thing to do.
- I would do it myself if I could.
- Do you really want to risk dying tomorrow?

This got him to agree when I had previously told Riordan and Alistair I would make the sacrifice. But unless I accidentally left out one of these the second time, when I didn't say that to Riordan, Alistair refused.

Oh! I misunderstood, and thought he had agreed with you right away, and I knew I'd never been able to get him to do that. As tmp7704 mentioned, that conversation is just like the Landsmeet. Various dialogues option are weighted, either as a plus, a negative or neutral, with the total at the end determining whether he agrees or not.

More to the point of your question, there is a check for whether the PC has said they will take the final blow, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't affect the scoring in the conversation, it just results in a slightly different dialogue from Alistair. Your score at the end of that dialogue path was +1, BTW.

I almost always use the path in this video ->

The scoring at the end is 0; any pluses have been negated by telling him the unvarnished truth. If he is flagged as IN_LOVE or STILL_IN_LOVE, though, "If you loved me, you would do this. It's important." will get him to agree, no matter how badly the PC has handled things.

Thanks for the detailed clarification, and I apologize for my pedantry.

pax~
tsm

[Penarddun]

theskymoves wrote...
The scoring at the end is 0; any pluses have been negated by telling him the unvarnished truth. If he is flagged as IN_LOVE or STILL_IN_LOVE, though, "If you loved me, you would do this. It's important." will get him to agree, no matter how badly the PC has handled things.

Thanks for the detailed clarification, and I apologize for my pedantry.

Ah, now I understand that so much better. Thank you for explaining the scoring system. I always feel bad saying the "If you loved me, you would do this." option, but it's good to know that it is a safety valve, so to speak, in case the dialgoue choices don't add up enough.

[tklivory]

Penarddun wrote...

theskymoves wrote...
The scoring at the end is 0; any pluses have been negated by telling him the unvarnished truth. If he is flagged as IN_LOVE or STILL_IN_LOVE, though, "If you loved me, you would do this. It's important." will get him to agree, no matter how badly the PC has handled things.

Thanks for the detailed clarification, and I apologize for my pedantry.

Ah, now I understand that so much better. Thank you for explaining the scoring system. I always feel bad saying the "If you loved me, you would do this." option, but it's good to know that it is a safety valve, so to speak, in case the dialgoue choices don't add up enough.

I've been going through the toolset myself, and it's really interesting to see how badly the PC can screw up getting Alistair to agree.

I do see that a flag is set in the Riordan conversation to 'CLIMAX_PC_WANTS_FINAL_BLOW', but that flag is never referenced when convincing Alistair, only later in the game (at the gates or on the roof of Fort Drakon')

You mentioned that game thinks he will be King when he isn't going to be?  Are you on the console (PS3 or Xbox)?  I know that the flags/approval ratings/&tc were all kinds of messed up on the console.

edit:
And I found out that you can trigger the romance during this conversation too.  I *really* didn't know that.

2nd edit: but the flag 'CLIMAX_PC_NOT_WANT_FINAL_BLOW' (if you tell Riordan you won't sacrifice yourself)' *is* used in this conversation.  Interesting...

Modifié par tklivory, 19 octobre 2011 - 03:08 .

[theskymoves]

Penarddun wrote...

theskymoves wrote...
The scoring at the end is 0; any pluses have been negated by telling him the unvarnished truth. If he is flagged as IN_LOVE or STILL_IN_LOVE, though, "If you loved me, you would do this. It's important." will get him to agree, no matter how badly the PC has handled things.

Thanks for the detailed clarification, and I apologize for my pedantry.

Ah, now I understand that so much better. Thank you for explaining the scoring system. I always feel bad saying the "If you loved me, you would do this." option, but it's good to know that it is a safety valve, so to speak, in case the dialgoue choices don't add up enough.

'Twas no trouble at all. I've spent more time than I care to admit figuring out how to wring every last drop of angst out of the end game. The "If you loved me..." option is really manipulative, and my Wardens usually break it off with Alistair in Fort Drakon as penance.

pax~
tsm

[Penarddun]

tklivory wrote...
And I found out that you can trigger the romance during this conversation too.  I *really* didn't know that.

You can? How, which dialogue choice starts the romance at the Dark Ritual? :wub:

I am on the Xbox 360 unfortunately... Someday, and with Dragon Age being one of the main reasons for, I will get a gaming computer. I am so enthralled by the concept of the toolset. I just want to get at all that info in there! But I realize if I do I'll probably end up spending 12 hours a day making up new scenes and adventures.



Edit: For the "not taking the final blow" line I shudder to think the scathing comment Alistair makes toward you... does he get really upset you aren't serious about being a Grey Warden?

Modifié par Penarddun, 19 octobre 2011 - 03:21 .

[theskymoves]

tklivory wrote...

2nd edit: but the flag 'CLIMAX_PC_NOT_WANT_FINAL_BLOW' (if you tell Riordan you won't sacrifice yourself)' *is* used in this conversation.  Interesting...

Doesn't it just result in a different response from Alistair, though, with no effect on the numbers? (The "I already said I'd do it if Riordan can't" line rather than the one about running away... paraphrasing, since I don't have the toolset installed ATM and I'm working off of my notes.)

~(confused) tsm

Modifié par theskymoves, 19 octobre 2011 - 03:33 .

[theskymoves]

weird double post deleted

Modifié par theskymoves, 19 octobre 2011 - 03:25 .

[tklivory]

Penarddun wrote...

tklivory wrote...
And I found out that you can trigger the romance during this conversation too.  I *really* didn't know that.

You can? How, which dialogue choice starts the romance at the Dark Ritual?

I am on the Xbox 360 unfortunately... Someday, and with Dragon Age being one of the main reasons for, I will get a gaming computer. I am so enthralled by the concept of the toolset. I just want to get at all this info in there!


Edit: For the "not taking the final blow" line I shudder to think the scathing comment Alistair makes toward you... does he get really upset you aren't serious about being a Grey Warden?

*fires up the toolset*

No, wait, never mind.  I read the flag wrong.  It's if the romance is *active* but Love *hasn't* been set, you get a special line that only appears in that case.  I misread one of the flag comments.

What's funny is that in the course of the conversation, if you're in Love, Alistair always acts more confident.  If you're at Adore/Care/Interested, he acts more nervous and his lines are more conciliatory.

And one of the single biggest decrease in the conversation seems to be if you tell him there will be a child, and tell him that it will be for an Old God.  You were trying to make him refuse, weren't ya?

And it seems kind of manipulative that Alistair reacts to the Warden as strongly if 'STILL_IN_LOVE' as he does for 'IN_LOVE'.

tsm is definitely right, though - the manipulative little Warden can trump all with the 'but you do love me, right?'.  I bet the women writers on staff had DG put that into the script.  It's such a stereotypical women's cliche they were chortling to themselves the whole time.  (apparently they egged DG into making the breakup after the Landsmeet more embarrassing too.<_<)

My favorite lines from the DR:
1) if the PC is female and says 'I would do it myself if I could' he says, 'Oh great, of all the times to regret being a man.  Look, just because I have the proper... just because I can... look, that doesn't make this a good idea!'
2) if the PC is male and in romance to Morrigan, he says, 'the fact that you're willing to send me off to sleep with your... with her... doesn't exactly thrill me.'

Kudos to the writers, but why would someone who's in love with Morrigan ask Alistair to do the DR?  Huh.

Oh, and the flag 'CLIMAX_PC_NOT_WANT_FINAL_BLOW' doesn't affect approval, it just introduces more dialogue lines.  I just thought it was interesting that *that* flag adds dialogue, but the other one doesn't add a line (like, for example, Alistair saying "I thought you weren't afraid to die" or something like that, especially if they are hostile to each other.)

It's quite a convoluted dialogue structure considering there's only 2 people in the conversation (unlike the Landsmeet), probably because of all the relationship flags and checks that need to be worked on.  That's probably why it ended up being so buggy in the final release...

[tklivory]

One last note on the toolset: the latest in the game you can set romance active is with Duncan's shield (since that can't *normally* be obtained until just before the Landsmeet).  It's a sweet exchange, really.
Alistair: "I can't believe you remembered it at all..."
PC: "For you? Anything."

:wub::wub:

I actually played a game once where I held off setting the romance active until I got the shield.  And, if you are at 'Friendly', you go straight from 'Friendly' to 'Love'.  'Tis sweet.

The Landsmeet got delayed a bit after that...  

Also, I'm kinda glad that you can't trigger the romance during the DR conversation, as cute as it may be.  I wouldn't want to send my newly minted love off to anyone else's bed, that's for darn sure...

[theskymoves]

tklivory wrote...

One last note on the toolset: the latest in the game you can set romance active is with Duncan's shield (since that can't *normally* be obtained until just before the Landsmeet).  It's a sweet exchange, really.
Alistair: "I can't believe you remembered it at all..."
PC: "For you? Anything."

The latest, presuming all of the normal romance starters have been expended or aren't otherwise available?  I mean, they aren't removed as optons if they haven't been used or superceded, are they? *scratches head*

~(clueless) tsm