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[tuppence95]

errant_knight wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I think this was the plot of Eamon's Orlesion shrew wife all along. Get in there, have Alistair sent to the Chantry to stop any heirs from him. Then convince Eamon to arange this marriage with the Orlesion Empress. Eamon is a sell out. My Couslan girl has his number, she's keeping him FAR from King Al. She's going to spend a lot of time prepairing her nieces/nephews for future rule

Maric was alive when Alistair went to the Chantry. I find it difficult to believe that it was done without his approval.

LadyDamodred wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Here's something I was never sure of.  Was Loghain trying to kill Alistair and the warden throughout the game because they were witness to his deserting the battle?  Or was he trying to get rid of Maric's last heir, so he could control Anora's throne?  I'm guessing the latter, since he had his daughter locked away.

I do think that Loghain is a fascinating character, but I can't stand the things he did.  If he had succeeded in killing Alistair & warden, I would have loved to have seen his face when he discovered what he had done.

Six of one, a half dozen of the other.  I think, had he succeeded in killing the Wardens, it would have been a doubler bonus for him.  You know, right up until the archdemon leveled Ferelden.

I often wonder, had Alistair been raised more politically savy, woudl Loghain have tried to win him over or would he havw tried all that much harder to kill him?

Now that's an interesting idea worth exploring! I'm betting kill him.

Yeah, I think he would've worked even harder to kill him.  Even pre-Ostagar, I don't know that Alistair would have been easily won over.  He was commited to his new life with the wardens.

I wonder how Loghain felt about his daughter's trusted servant?

edit:  Ack, ToP

Modifié par tuppence95, 06 septembre 2010 - 03:47 .

[Yankee23]

javapadawan wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

javapadawan wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...
*snip*

My apologies for reposting an old shot, but can anyone tell me what armor (mod?) this is? It's kind of smexy.

I was just trying to remember where I got it.  It wasn't a new armor.  It was a mod that alters in game mage robes.  But I haven't been able to remember the name of the mod.  Sorry.  I hope someone else knows what it is.  

Thanks for the response! I've been poking around DA Nexus for a while now with no luck (the closest thing I found was one called Sexy Male Robes, but they look quite a bit shorter than the one in your screenshot). Ah well. 

On the bright side, I did find a mod that hides armor altogether, which should make for a rather interesting playthrough.

That's a good one.  Watch out for the viruses though.

[inclemency]

rak72 wrote...

inclemency wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I think this was the plot of Eamon's Orlesion shrew wife all along. Get in there, have Alistair sent to the Chantry to stop any heirs from him. Then convince Eamon to arange this marriage with the Orlesion Empress. Eamon is a sell out. My Cousland girl has his number, she's keeping him FAR from King Al. She's going to spend a lot of time prepairing her nieces/nephews for future rule

Lol, mine, too, as well as keeping Zev close by to help smooth out potentially sticky situations  

Zev - definatly!  BFF!

Exactly...  Alistair might not be overly fond of Zev, but he is my Cousland queen's BFF, for sure.  Always there, and trusted completely. 

[FFZero]

One thing I've always wondered about with the game is why your Cousland, male or female, can't attempt to put themselves on the throne with or without Alistair/Anora. I know it's probably down to game mechanics but logically they could. According to the game a lot of the noblity wanted Bryce to be king instead of Cailan and threw their lot in with the Couslands when Maric died, why would it be any different this time round? If the nobility is against Alistair's claim by blood or handing the throne to a commoner surely this would be a logical third option.

[tuppence95]

Monica21 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Here's something I was never sure of.  Was Loghain trying to kill Alistair and the warden throughout the game because they were witness to his deserting the battle?  Or was he trying to get rid of Maric's last heir, so he could control Anora's throne?  I'm guessing the latter, since he had his daughter locked away.

I do think that Loghain is a fascinating character, but I can't stand the things he did.  If he had succeeded in killing Alistair & warden, I would have loved to have seen his face when he discovered what he had done.

Loghain put a bounty on remaining Warden's heads, but there's no evidence that he knew Alistair survived. Even after Lothering and finishing the first ally quest, Howe is the one to tell him about the remaining Wardens and suggesting Zevran as an assassin. The only way I can think he'd know about Alistair surviving is if you let Loghain's men go in Lothering. They would certainly have a description of Alistair.

Loghain was there when Cailan insisted that Alistair be the one to light the beacon.  He looked up and saw the beacon lit.  So either Alistair or our warden or both survived.

Also, when I said I would've loved to have seen his face when he discovered what he had done, I meant when he discovered that he had condemned Ferelden with no Grey Wardens left to kill the archdemon.

Modifié par tuppence95, 06 septembre 2010 - 03:52 .

[errant_knight]

tuppence95 wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Here's something I was never sure of.  Was Loghain trying to kill Alistair and the warden throughout the game because they were witness to his deserting the battle?  Or was he trying to get rid of Maric's last heir, so he could control Anora's throne?  I'm guessing the latter, since he had his daughter locked away.

I do think that Loghain is a fascinating character, but I can't stand the things he did.  If he had succeeded in killing Alistair & warden, I would have loved to have seen his face when he discovered what he had done.

Loghain put a bounty on remaining Warden's heads, but there's no evidence that he knew Alistair survived. Even after Lothering and finishing the first ally quest, Howe is the one to tell him about the remaining Wardens and suggesting Zevran as an assassin. The only way I can think he'd know about Alistair surviving is if you let Loghain's men go in Lothering. They would certainly have a description of Alistair.

Loghain was there when Cailan insisted that Alistair be the one to light the beacon.  He looked up and saw the beacon lit.  So either Alistair or our warden or both survived.

Excellent observation! I hadn't really thought of the implications of that, but it's true.

[Yankee23]

tuppence95 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I think this was the plot of Eamon's Orlesion shrew wife all along. Get in there, have Alistair sent to the Chantry to stop any heirs from him. Then convince Eamon to arange this marriage with the Orlesion Empress. Eamon is a sell out. My Couslan girl has his number, she's keeping him FAR from King Al. She's going to spend a lot of time prepairing her nieces/nephews for future rule

Maric was alive when Alistair went to the Chantry. I find it difficult to believe that it was done without his approval.

LadyDamodred wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Here's something I was never sure of.  Was Loghain trying to kill Alistair and the warden throughout the game because they were witness to his deserting the battle?  Or was he trying to get rid of Maric's last heir, so he could control Anora's throne?  I'm guessing the latter, since he had his daughter locked away.

I do think that Loghain is a fascinating character, but I can't stand the things he did.  If he had succeeded in killing Alistair & warden, I would have loved to have seen his face when he discovered what he had done.

Six of one, a half dozen of the other.  I think, had he succeeded in killing the Wardens, it would have been a doubler bonus for him.  You know, right up until the archdemon leveled Ferelden.

I often wonder, had Alistair been raised more politically savy, woudl Loghain have tried to win him over or would he havw tried all that much harder to kill him?

Now that's an interesting idea worth exploring! I'm betting kill him.

Yeah, I think he would've worked even harder to kill him.  Even pre-Ostagar, I don't know that Alistair would have been easily won over.  He was commited to his new life with the wardens.

I wonder how Loghain felt about his daughter's trusted servant?

edit:  Ack, ToP

[snip]

Seriously, everybody is an Orlesian spy. How'd she get away with having Ehrlina??? And how was she moving around so freely while Anora was locked up? I would think she would have been killed or locked up too.

[Sarah1281]

FFZero wrote...

One thing I've always wondered about with the game is why your Cousland, male or female, can't attempt to put themselves on the throne with or without Alistair/Anora. I know it's probably down to game mechanics but logically they could. According to the game a lot of the noblity wanted Bryce to be king instead of Cailan and threw their lot in with the Couslands when Maric died, why would it be any different this time round? If the nobility is against Alistair's claim by blood or handing the throne to a commoner surely this would be a logical third option.

One Warden tries just that...

Edit: And Anora is not a commoner.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 06 septembre 2010 - 03:53 .

[Monica21]

tuppence95 wrote...
Loghain was there when Cailan insisted that Alistair be the one to light the beacon.  He looked up and saw the beacon lit.  So either Alistair or our warden or both survived.

Also, when I said I would've loved to have seen his face when he discovered what he had done, I meant when he discovered that he had condemned Ferelden with no Grey Wardens left to kill the archdemon.

He also knew the beacon was late, indicating problems getting to it. I don't think there's any way to know if Loghain knew Alistair was alive.

edit: I should add that if he did know or even suspect, it wouldn't surprise me if he intended to have Alistair killed, given his relationship with Eamon and Eamon's willingness to pull the strings. Eamon was the one who advised Cailan to put Anora aside after all. I don't think Alistair is stupid enough to marry the Orlesian empress, but he does sway to Eamon's decisions. One reason why I've always made my Warden his Chancellor if I put him on the throne.

Modifié par Monica21, 06 septembre 2010 - 03:58 .

[rak72]

errant_knight wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I think this was the plot of Eamon's Orlesion shrew wife all along. Get in there, have Alistair sent to the Chantry to stop any heirs from him. Then convince Eamon to arange this marriage with the Orlesion Empress. Eamon is a sell out. My Couslan girl has his number, she's keeping him FAR from King Al. She's going to spend a lot of time prepairing her nieces/nephews for future rule

Maric was alive when Alistair went to the Chantry. I find it difficult to believe that it was done without his approval.

Eamon could have convinced him that it would be good for thhe boy.  But at any rate, why would Maric EVER allow this.  He could have sent him of to be a squire some place.

[Sarah1281]

rak72 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I think this was the plot of Eamon's Orlesion shrew wife all along. Get in there, have Alistair sent to the Chantry to stop any heirs from him. Then convince Eamon to arange this marriage with the Orlesion Empress. Eamon is a sell out. My Couslan girl has his number, she's keeping him FAR from King Al. She's going to spend a lot of time prepairing her nieces/nephews for future rule

Maric was alive when Alistair went to the Chantry. I find it difficult to believe that it was done without his approval.

Eamon could have convinced him that it would be good for thhe boy.  But at any rate, why would Maric EVER allow this.  He could have sent him of to be a squire some place.

Maric? Kind of a bad father.

[Sandtigress]

tuppence95 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Here's something I was never sure of.  Was Loghain trying to kill Alistair and the warden throughout the game because they were witness to his deserting the battle?  Or was he trying to get rid of Maric's last heir, so he could control Anora's throne?  I'm guessing the latter, since he had his daughter locked away.

I do think that Loghain is a fascinating character, but I can't stand the things he did.  If he had succeeded in killing Alistair & warden, I would have loved to have seen his face when he discovered what he had done.

You have the option of asking Alistair if Loghain knows that he's Maric's son in the discussion where he admits his parentage. I took this as a hint that Loghain might very well be trying to rid himself of the last Theirin, the warden being rather shrewd and all.

Thanks, I'll have to listen to that dialog again.  I remember Alistair saying Loghain knew, but that's all I remember.

Here's the line.

Why wouldn't he? He was King Maric's best friend. I don't know if that means anything, though... I certainly never considered the idea that it might ever be important.

I've always taken that to mean that Alistair assumes that Loghain knows, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he does.  After the Calling, I've always suspected that Loghain actually knew very little about Maric's bastard son other than he existed - I even suspect that Maric either outright lied to him or allowed Loghain to come up with his own conclusions about where the child came from and who his mother was.

Oh, and tuppence, you did get to see my little take on Ferelden's end if the Grey Wardens were killed, right?

[rak72]

Sarah1281 wrote...

rak72 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I think this was the plot of Eamon's Orlesion shrew wife all along. Get in there, have Alistair sent to the Chantry to stop any heirs from him. Then convince Eamon to arange this marriage with the Orlesion Empress. Eamon is a sell out. My Couslan girl has his number, she's keeping him FAR from King Al. She's going to spend a lot of time prepairing her nieces/nephews for future rule

Maric was alive when Alistair went to the Chantry. I find it difficult to believe that it was done without his approval.

Eamon could have convinced him that it would be good for thhe boy.  But at any rate, why would Maric EVER allow this.  He could have sent him of to be a squire some place.

Maric? Kind of a bad father.

What you said Sarah.  Which makes it easier for Eamon to do Isold's bidding to put Alistair on ice.

Modifié par rak72, 06 septembre 2010 - 04:04 .

[tuppence95]

Monica21 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...
Loghain was there when Cailan insisted that Alistair be the one to light the beacon.  He looked up and saw the beacon lit.  So either Alistair or our warden or both survived.

Also, when I said I would've loved to have seen his face when he discovered what he had done, I meant when he discovered that he had condemned Ferelden with no Grey Wardens left to kill the archdemon.

He also knew the beacon was late, indicating problems getting to it. I don't think there's any way to know if Loghain knew Alistair was alive.

edit: I should add that if he did know or even suspect, it wouldn't surprise me if he intended to have Alistair killed, given his relationship with Eamon and Eamon's willingness to pull the strings. Eamon was the one who advised Cailan to put Anora aside after all. I don't think Alistair is stupid enough to marry the Orlesian empress, but he does sway to Eamon's decisions. One reason why I've always made my Warden his Chancellor if I put him on the throne.

He likely did know.  That's probably why he decided not to say anything about the huge hole they found leading to beneath the tower.  He probably assumed that Alistair and the warden would be killed by the darkspawn before they could light the beacon.  But once he saw that the beacon was lit, it's pretty likely he would figure out that it was a Grey Warden who lit it.

[Sandtigress]

rak72 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I think this was the plot of Eamon's Orlesion shrew wife all along. Get in there, have Alistair sent to the Chantry to stop any heirs from him. Then convince Eamon to arange this marriage with the Orlesion Empress. Eamon is a sell out. My Couslan girl has his number, she's keeping him FAR from King Al. She's going to spend a lot of time prepairing her nieces/nephews for future rule

Maric was alive when Alistair went to the Chantry. I find it difficult to believe that it was done without his approval.

Eamon could have convinced him that it would be good for thhe boy.  But at any rate, why would Maric EVER allow this.  He could have sent him of to be a squire some place.

At the Chantry Alistair would have received a good education, been housed and had an eye on him, and would likely produce no children with bastard royal blood.  That part of the equation is pretty logical from a political standpoint.  The lyrium addiction thing and dangerous line of work, not so good.  But maybe Maric knew that Duncan would come along and save his son before all that came to be.  Not that being a Grey Warden is any better in that sense, of course.

[Merilsell]

Sarah1281 wrote...

FFZero wrote...

One thing I've always wondered about with the game is why your Cousland, male or female, can't attempt to put themselves on the throne with or without Alistair/Anora. I know it's probably down to game mechanics but logically they could. According to the game a lot of the noblity wanted Bryce to be king instead of Cailan and threw their lot in with the Couslands when Maric died, why would it be any different this time round? If the nobility is against Alistair's claim by blood or handing the throne to a commoner surely this would be a logical third option.

One Warden tries just that...

Edit: And Anora is not a commoner.

Brillant FF, and such a poignant name   I lol'd. Faved.

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

I've always taken that to mean that Alistair assumes that Loghain knows, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he does.  After the Calling, I've always suspected that Loghain actually knew very little about Maric's bastard son other than he existed - I even suspect that Maric either outright lied to him or allowed Loghain to come up with his own conclusions about where the child came from and who his mother was.

Oh, and tuppence, you did get to see my little take on Ferelden's end if the Grey Wardens were killed, right?

Right, I think it's safe to say that by The Calling, Loghain was no longer Maric's best friend, so Alistair was just assuming from the stories like everyone else.

So sad that he knew so little about his dad. 

[tuppence95]

Sandtigress wrote...

Oh, and tuppence, you did get to see my little take on Ferelden's end if the Grey Wardens were killed, right?

Nooooo!!  I knew you had written it, and I have you in my favorites.  I'm so far behind with my fanfic now ... ever since I made a promise to myself that I would only read it while on the exercise bike!   I'll make sure I read that next.  :happy:

[Monica21]

tuppence95 wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...
Loghain was there when Cailan insisted that Alistair be the one to light the beacon.  He looked up and saw the beacon lit.  So either Alistair or our warden or both survived.

Also, when I said I would've loved to have seen his face when he discovered what he had done, I meant when he discovered that he had condemned Ferelden with no Grey Wardens left to kill the archdemon.

He also knew the beacon was late, indicating problems getting to it. I don't think there's any way to know if Loghain knew Alistair was alive.

edit: I should add that if he did know or even suspect, it wouldn't surprise me if he intended to have Alistair killed, given his relationship with Eamon and Eamon's willingness to pull the strings. Eamon was the one who advised Cailan to put Anora aside after all. I don't think Alistair is stupid enough to marry the Orlesian empress, but he does sway to Eamon's decisions. One reason why I've always made my Warden his Chancellor if I put him on the throne.

He likely did know.  That's probably why he decided not to say anything about the huge hole they found leading to beneath the tower.  He probably assumed that Alistair and the warden would be killed by the darkspawn before they could light the beacon.  But once he saw that the beacon was lit, it's pretty likely he would figure out that it was a Grey Warden who lit it.

At the risk of going back off topic, Gaider said Loghain didn't know the tower would be overrun, so it happened after the darkspawn charged and after Loghain thought the tower was secure. This can be confirmed by the ingame evidence of troops being attacked by darkspawn after you arrive. They found tunnels beneath, likely through the same entrance/exit point you use to get to the battlefield in RtO, but that doesn't mean the hole was already there.

[tuppence95]

Sandtigress wrote...

rak72 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I think this was the plot of Eamon's Orlesion shrew wife all along. Get in there, have Alistair sent to the Chantry to stop any heirs from him. Then convince Eamon to arange this marriage with the Orlesion Empress. Eamon is a sell out. My Couslan girl has his number, she's keeping him FAR from King Al. She's going to spend a lot of time prepairing her nieces/nephews for future rule

Maric was alive when Alistair went to the Chantry. I find it difficult to believe that it was done without his approval.

Eamon could have convinced him that it would be good for thhe boy.  But at any rate, why would Maric EVER allow this.  He could have sent him of to be a squire some place.

At the Chantry Alistair would have received a good education, been housed and had an eye on him, and would likely produce no children with bastard royal blood.  That part of the equation is pretty logical from a political standpoint.  The lyrium addiction thing and dangerous line of work, not so good.  But maybe Maric knew that Duncan would come along and save his son before all that came to be.  Not that being a Grey Warden is any better in that sense, of course.

Didn't Alistair say that was a chantry secret?  Maybe Maric and Eamon didn't know about that danger.

[Sarah1281]

Merilsell wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

FFZero wrote...

One thing I've always wondered about with the game is why your Cousland, male or female, can't attempt to put themselves on the throne with or without Alistair/Anora. I know it's probably down to game mechanics but logically they could. According to the game a lot of the noblity wanted Bryce to be king instead of Cailan and threw their lot in with the Couslands when Maric died, why would it be any different this time round? If the nobility is against Alistair's claim by blood or handing the throne to a commoner surely this would be a logical third option.

One Warden tries just that...

Edit: And Anora is not a commoner.

Brillant FF, and such a poignant name   I lol'd. Faved.

Glad you liked it.

[fhtagn]

tuppence95 wrote...
Word of warning about Nexus ... be careful about downloading any popular mods that suddenly have their comments and ratings turned off.  They've been having problems with people uploading phony duplicates that contain viruses.

Duly noted, and thanks for the heads up.

[Yankee23]

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

I've always taken that to mean that Alistair assumes that Loghain knows, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he does.  After the Calling, I've always suspected that Loghain actually knew very little about Maric's bastard son other than he existed - I even suspect that Maric either outright lied to him or allowed Loghain to come up with his own conclusions about where the child came from and who his mother was.

Oh, and tuppence, you did get to see my little take on Ferelden's end if the Grey Wardens were killed, right?

Right, I think it's safe to say that by The Calling, Loghain was no longer Maric's best friend, so Alistair was just assuming from the stories like everyone else.

So sad that he knew so little about his dad. 

One thing I always wondered about...how/why does Alistair know he is Maric's son? He was always told he had no claim to the throne, lied to about who his mother was, etc... Wouldn't it have been easier to lie to him about who his father was as well?

Edit: correction - maybe lied to about who his mother was.

Modifié par Yankee23, 06 septembre 2010 - 04:14 .

[Kryyptehk]

tuppence95 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

rak72 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I think this was the plot of Eamon's Orlesion shrew wife all along. Get in there, have Alistair sent to the Chantry to stop any heirs from him. Then convince Eamon to arange this marriage with the Orlesion Empress. Eamon is a sell out. My Couslan girl has his number, she's keeping him FAR from King Al. She's going to spend a lot of time prepairing her nieces/nephews for future rule

Maric was alive when Alistair went to the Chantry. I find it difficult to believe that it was done without his approval.

Eamon could have convinced him that it would be good for thhe boy.  But at any rate, why would Maric EVER allow this.  He could have sent him of to be a squire some place.

At the Chantry Alistair would have received a good education, been housed and had an eye on him, and would likely produce no children with bastard royal blood.  That part of the equation is pretty logical from a political standpoint.  The lyrium addiction thing and dangerous line of work, not so good.  But maybe Maric knew that Duncan would come along and save his son before all that came to be.  Not that being a Grey Warden is any better in that sense, of course.

Didn't Alistair say that was a chantry secret?  Maybe Maric and Eamon didn't know about that danger.

This. Seems like the Chantry would probably not want people to know about the Lyrium addiction thing, because then who would join?

[tuppence95]

Monica21 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...
Loghain was there when Cailan insisted that Alistair be the one to light the beacon.  He looked up and saw the beacon lit.  So either Alistair or our warden or both survived.

Also, when I said I would've loved to have seen his face when he discovered what he had done, I meant when he discovered that he had condemned Ferelden with no Grey Wardens left to kill the archdemon.

He also knew the beacon was late, indicating problems getting to it. I don't think there's any way to know if Loghain knew Alistair was alive.

edit: I should add that if he did know or even suspect, it wouldn't surprise me if he intended to have Alistair killed, given his relationship with Eamon and Eamon's willingness to pull the strings. Eamon was the one who advised Cailan to put Anora aside after all. I don't think Alistair is stupid enough to marry the Orlesian empress, but he does sway to Eamon's decisions. One reason why I've always made my Warden his Chancellor if I put him on the throne.

He likely did know.  That's probably why he decided not to say anything about the huge hole they found leading to beneath the tower.  He probably assumed that Alistair and the warden would be killed by the darkspawn before they could light the beacon.  But once he saw that the beacon was lit, it's pretty likely he would figure out that it was a Grey Warden who lit it.

At the risk of going back off topic, Gaider said Loghain didn't know the tower would be overrun, so it happened after the darkspawn charged and after Loghain thought the tower was secure. This can be confirmed by the ingame evidence of troops being attacked by darkspawn after you arrive. They found tunnels beneath, likely through the same entrance/exit point you use to get to the battlefield in RtO, but that doesn't mean the hole was already there.

The hole must've been there before Alistair and the warden are told to go to the tower.

These took place before the Joining.



This guard goes on to say he doesn't remember the hole being there before.