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[tklivory]

BevH wrote...

tklivory wrote...


Or am I just wacky?

What makes this one even wackier, is she's got her shoes on the wrong feet!

o.O  Can't... unsee it... once it is... seen!


ToP:

Speaking of that which cannot be unseen... Broodmother Morrigan:




Ooooh, yeah:

Modifié par tklivory, 05 janvier 2012 - 05:16 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

You need to die.

[tklivory]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You need to die.

    

Don't worry, KoP, a quick bath and it all got better:





Also, would it help you to know that during this particular console-experimentation session, Alistair was, in succession:
1) Lady of the Lake
2) An Ogre
3) the *tentacle* of the Broodmother
4) the shadow (*only* the shadow) of a chicken
aaaaaaand
5) the Queen Spider from the Deep Roads


Oh, and for a long time, Dog was a Bereskarn.


No?  That doesn't help?  *goes to weep in the corner for angering the great Knight*


And, for my other Alistairians:

[csfteeeer]

tklivory wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You need to die.

    

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!

[KnightofPhoenix]

tklivory wrote...

No?  That doesn't help?  *goes to weep in the corner for angering the great Knight*

You're forgiven for now...

*joins the bath*

[tklivory]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

tklivory wrote...

No?  That doesn't help?  *goes to weep in the corner for angering the great Knight*

You're forgiven for now...

*joins the bath*

Yay!      

*puts up a 'Wet Floor' sign for KoP's convenience*

[tklivory]

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

Ahh I must make sure to poke in this thread on those days most certainly!

But that is if I can defeat this Archdemon.. its driving me away from the computer lately..
*Sigh*. I can only keep everyone alive for so long.. its so over whelming.. 

But to go back on-topic: Now I have beaten DA:O  many times, but does Alistair ever live up to his promise to help Goldanna?

A tip for the Archdemon battle:

The first time I fought the Archdemon, I used the ballistas to wear it down (there's multiple ballistas on the top of Fort Drakon, in the corners).  You might want to try that.  You can't 'kill' the Archdemon this way, but you can reduce its health down to almost nothing, if you're willing to do a looooot of running around on the rooftop.


As for Alistair's promise to Goldanna, it's never mentioned in the Epilogue Slides or anything, so I don't think it's in the Canon as to whether or not he keeps his promise.  (Granted, I usually tell her to stop being a golddigger, myself, so...)  If he does, it's 'off camera'.

Modifié par tklivory, 05 janvier 2012 - 08:16 .

[Penarddun]

On my first playthrough I was nice to Goldanna because I didn't know what was going on, but after I heard all her dialogue, I just cannot be nice to her anymore. My Warden's aren't mean exactly, but they get Alistair and themselves out of there as fast as possible. Blood is definitely not thicker than water, in this case.

And my Dalish elf playthrough was the best. She would have attacked Goldanna if that was an option.

[BevH]

I agree with TK... use the ballistas! They can be used against the Archdemon even when it flies out of range of everyone else. My party usually consists of my character, Alistair, Wynne and Morrigan unless I'm playing a mage. However, the last time I left Morrigan behind (due to her "delicate" condition - which she laughed at me about) and my party consisted of myself (a rogue that time), Alistair, Zevran and Wynne. The issue of jamming can be fixed if you're a rogue with high enough cunning (at least I think that's what it takes to fix them).

As for the Goldanna issue, I've never seen anything further about it, although when I run through the Market District during the final battle, I always look at her house and wonder.

[tklivory]

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...
I won't tell you how many times I've reloaded and/or died from that battle. (10 times)..
But at the moment I have Alistair, My character who is a warrior and a arcane warrior. And also duel weponing with Zevran's daggers. As for my squad I have Ogren , Alistair, Morrigan, and myself. And well.. its usually my person to go down first, cause I automatically switch too Morrigan to heal everyone and shoot the balista's until they jam. And then after about..meduim health Ogrhen will die.. and then when the Archdemon is about to die, Alistair goes down and then Morrigan.
Quite frusterating getting so close to the end, and then dying.

Hmmm... What do your tactics look like?  I have my characters set to use healing potions automatically (without me needing to tell them to use them) when their health gets to 50% or lower.  Likewise, my mages all heal any character whose health falls to 50% and lower, and automatically use a Lyrium potion when their mana falls to 50% or lower.  Having those kinds of automatic potion uses in place can make a *huge* difference in battle.

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

But back on topic: Maybe he does that before DA:2 starts. I would imagine him living up to his promise since Alistair isn't the type of person to do that anyways. Perhaps in DA:3 if he appears.
But I can't be mean to Goldanna.. I be nice to her for Alistair.

Alistair would definitely live up to a promise he made... but, as a friend, I always felt it was up to my character to prevent her from taking advantage of his good nature.   That's why I always told her to take a hike.

Modifié par tklivory, 06 janvier 2012 - 02:53 .

[BevH]

Forgot about tactics. I usually have the mages set to heal at 50% health and use mana pots at 25%... that way they're not guzzling them down like there's no tomorrow! I also build Alistair as a tank - meaning that I focus a lot on strength and dexterity. Health goes up automatically when you level, so I only add a few points there. By the time we get to the archdemon battle, Alistair's health is well over 300... some games it's even pushing 400.

[Merilsell]

Penarddun wrote...
And my Dalish elf playthrough was the best. She would have attacked Goldanna if that was an option.

Then I guess you will love Lenya's reaction  Someday. When I get there. But hey...

[BevH]

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

Just thought I'd show everyone this video I found:

DA:O A Tribute Too Alistair

I thought this was a cute video for Alistair.. even though the song with it makes me want to cry like a little baby..

The video is lovely... and it stabbed at my heart.

[Penarddun]

Merilsell wrote...

Penarddun wrote...
And my Dalish elf playthrough was the best. She would have attacked Goldanna if that was an option.

Then I guess you will love Lenya's reaction  Someday. When I get there. But hey...

Oh I cannot wait to see Lenya's reaction! Especially with the recent developments in the last chapter.

[tklivory]

I wuv this thread so much. (like, totally, ya know? It's totally gnarly keen!)

Have some Alistair!

[Merilsell]

Penarddun wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

Penarddun wrote...
And my Dalish elf playthrough was the best. She would have attacked Goldanna if that was an option.

Then I guess you will love Lenya's reaction  Someday. When I get there. But hey...

Oh I cannot wait to see Lenya's reaction! Especially with the recent developments in the last chapter.

Heh. Just imagine one of these little dogs who are too small to tore a throat out, but have the attitude of a rottweiler while they snarl at you and need to get hold back with all might. That will be Lenya toward Goldanna, only difference is...she got blades.

Well, protective Dalish is protective. One can hurt her and survive it (maybe), but if the someone doing that to the people she loves ...the person better starts running. Now.

Then again, all my Wardens have the attitude of shutting Gold-anna up and giving her nothing. Maybe one of my male Warden will be more generous to her, since her attitude toward a male Warden is so much nicer. Oddly enough

[tklivory]

Merilsell wrote...

Heh. Just imagine one of these little dogs who are too small to tore a throat out, but have the attitude of a rottweiler while they snarl at you and need to get hold back with all might. That will be Lenya toward Goldanna, only difference is...she got blades.

Well, protective Dalish is protective. One can hurt her and survive it (maybe), but if the someone doing that to the people she loves ...the person better starts running. Now.

Then again, all my Wardens have the attitude of shutting Gold-anna up and giving her nothing. Maybe one of my male Warden will be more generous to her, since her attitude toward a male Warden is so much nicer. Oddly enough

The short, short version:

Goldanna: *says something stupid*

Alistair: *tries valiantly to like his sister*

Lenya: *sarcastic comment*

Goldanna: "Who's the tart then?"

Lenya: *complicated activity involving knives*

Alistair: ".... All right, we're done here, I suppose."



That about it, Meri?     

[tklivory]

I MISS DA PROMPTIN'!  Let us begin anew in a new year, shall we?





Busy, Busy, Busy!

Modifié par tklivory, 07 janvier 2012 - 07:18 .

[Klidi]

tklivory wrote...

The short, short version:

Goldanna: *says something stupid*

Alistair: *tries valiantly to like his sister*

Lenya: *sarcastic comment*

Goldanna: "Who's the tart then?"

Lenya: *complicated activity involving knives*

Alistair: ".... All right, we're done here, I suppose."



That about it, Meri?     

Lol I can imagine that.

Though I have to admit, were I Goldanna, I would be even worse. I'd kick Alistair's ass out of my house.

Seriously, what would you do if a guy you've never seen before knocked on the door and said "Oh hi there! I'm your brother! The king, my daddy, forced himself on your mother, who was his servant! Your mother died in childbirth, right? Well, I'm that babe! Yeah, the one they told you was dead, the reason why you were sent to big town quite alone with few only few coins! I don't know anything about you, I don't know if you're married, divorced or a widow, I don't knwo anything about your children. I was too busy to find out anything besides your address. But we're family! Let's love each other like brother and sister!"

Because that's what basically happens there. I think it's the least favourite part of the game. It's absolutely unrealistic. Worse, it's plain stupid. It makes Alistair look like a total fool, and Goldanna like a harpy, turns both of them into simple caricatures. And then the Warden tops it all with the most stupid 'hardening' line about everyone being on his own. When the whole game is about that you need help of the others to survive. All my Wardens are offended by that line. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Klidi, 07 janvier 2012 - 07:41 .

[csfteeeer]

BevH wrote...

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

Just thought I'd show everyone this video I found:

DA:O A Tribute Too Alistair

I thought this was a cute video for Alistair.. even though the song with it makes me want to cry like a little baby..

The video is lovely... and it stabbed at my heart.

Surprisingly, this video also made me pretty sad...

guess i'm just too much of a Softie

nice Video, Dovah.

Wow, it's pretty old.

[tklivory]

Klidi wrote...

Lol I can imagine that.

Though I have to admit, were I Goldanna, I would be even worse. I'd kick Alistair's ass out of my house.

Seriously, what would you do if a guy you've never seen before knocked on the door and said "Oh hi there! I'm your brother! The king, my daddy, forced himself on your mother, who was his servant! Your mother died in childbirth, right? Well, I'm that babe! Yeah, the one they told you was dead, the reason why you were sent to big town quite alone with few only few coins! I don't know anything about you, I don't know if you're married, divorced or a widow, I don't knwo anything about your children. I was too busy to find out anything besides your address. But we're family! Let's love each other like brother and sister!"

Because that's what basically happens there. I think it's the least favourite part of the game. It's absolutely unrealistic. Worse, it's plain stupid. It makes Alistair look like a total fool, and Goldanna like a harpy, turns both of them into simple caricatures. And then the Warden tops it all with the most stupid 'hardening' line about everyone being on his own. When the whole game is about that you need help of the others to survive. All my Wardens are offended by that line. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Yeah.  At least IRS:Alistair helps soften the blow of the dumb hardening line by offering a couple of different options that are appropriate to someone in a romance with Alistair.  But the concept in general (not the hardening, any true Alistairian would approve of that *twelve-year-old tklivory runs off*), but the particular method.  It's a little *ALISTAIR WANTS FAMILY SOO BAD* hitting over the head method to get the player's attention.

I remember in a discussion of this elsewhere (perhaps earlier in this thread, heh) when the issue of what would have been better came up.  I think the consensus was that it should have been Redliffe events (with Eamon/Isolde/Connor) that led to a hardening dialogue with Alistair, as

1) Those were more 'family' than Goldanna was
2) Were more important to his life than Goldanna ever could be
3) Were more appropriate 'hardening' choices in terms of the difficult nature of the decisions (kill Isolde, kill Connor, run off and leave everyone undefended in hopes nothing happens)

The problem is that the whole 'Goldanna' thing boils down to a pure "Game Mechanics" issue (the which I've complained about in an ENTIRE THREAD here on BSN, so I won't bore ya'll now).  I mean, at least Leliana's 'hardening' dialogue/event ties in with her *actual* background story.

/rant

So, yeah, Goldanna will remain a grousing point for Alistairians for all time.