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[cJohnOne]

Neutral Evil then.. I guess she's isn't a good match for Alistair. Darn! We can still hook them up right?

[Kavatica]

cJohnOne wrote...

Neutral Evil then.. I guess she's isn't a good match for Alistair. Darn! We can still hook them up right?

Morrigan? Just that one time. They will just have to remain secretly in love with one another. 

[Kavatica]

I know, I know. But I still can't help but think they have a tiny crush on one another. The way he teases her in party banter reminds me a lot of a little boy pulling his crush's hair on the playground. And vice versa. I'm not saying I think they would ever hook up on their own (nor would I ever want to see it if they did), but I do think they have a little thing for one another. There's a thin line between love and hate and all that.

[Merilsell]

Yup and here the dislike is quite well defined, imo. Sometimes you just utterly and completely can't stand a person. Which is a mutual feeling for Morrigan/Alistair. At the end of journey they have only a begrudging respect for each other and even that is easily destroyed through the squicky night of OGB. Alistair admits that she is beautiful, but has on the same time a big DO NOT WANT sign attached to his forehead concerning all things Morrigan.

The same sign I also wear when it comes to this -- ugh-- 'pairing- btw. Such coincidence xD

[cJohnOne]

I disagree with Steve about Loghain being Chaotic Good. I think He's Neutal Evil like Morrigan. He's an Ends justify the Means type of guy. Very Machiavellian at least in Origins.

Was Alistair right about Loghain?

[Kavatica]

cJohnOne wrote...

Was Alistair right about Loghain?

That's a tough one. Honestly, I don't think Alistair could look past his own feelings in regards to the death of Duncan. And I don't blame him for that. But do I ultimately agree with him in his perception of Loghain? No. After several playthroughs and reading David Gaider's novels, it is hard to see Loghain as evil. Corrupted, misled, and power-hungry, yes. An [expletive], yes. But evil? I'm not sure.  I usually base whether or not I kill him on the character I am playing. It is pretty hard to look past his alignment with Arl Howe when you play a Cousland, and pretty hard to look past the whole slavery thing when you play an elf. But if you aren't playing those two characters, then it is easier to see him as a redeemable character. At one point he was a good person. He just made a series of bad decisions and poor judgement calls.

Still...doesn't stop me from wanting to strangle him every time he comes on the screen. I also hate the way he shouts at you for the entire Landsmeet. As you can see, I have mixed feelings about the guy. I don't like him, but I don't see him as evil either.

Do you think he was right about Loghain? I found this definition of Neutral Evil and have to say I almost agree with you that Loghain fits this category, except for this part: "Neutral evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents pure evil without honor and without variation." I don't see Loghain as being without honor. This becomes especially clear after you "redeem" him. Then again, I'm not sure I agree with him being Chaotic Good either.

Modifié par Kavatica, 28 mars 2012 - 09:41 .

[cJohnOne]

What's Alistairs view of Dwarves and other race relations.


I think I just wanted to mention Dwarves in this thread.



Edit to make it more interesting:  Isn't interjecting modern sensibilites into medieval setting strange?  Isn't politically correct?  For example woman or a least alot of them demand they be equal in a less technological setting as it were. 

Do you like being equal or do you like role playing an era of less equality and be more historically accurate?

Modifié par cJohnOne, 29 mars 2012 - 11:18 .

[Kavatica]

cJohnOne wrote...

What's Alistairs view of Dwarves and other race relations.


I think I just wanted to mention Dwarves in this thread.



Edit to make it more interesting:  Isn't interjecting modern sensibilites into medieval setting strange?  Isn't politically correct?  For example woman or a least alot of them demand they be equal in a less technological setting as it were. 

Do you like being equal or do you like role playing an era of less equality and be more historically accurate?

I got the impression that Alistair is fascinated by the dwarves, based on the things he says when he walks into Orzammar and his love of dwarven runes and the things he says to you when you're a dwarf. Plus, they fight darkspawn all the time, which I know interests him. 

I think it's impossible not to include modern thoughts and opinions in a medieval setting when the work you are producing is created in a modern time. I'm thinking of all of the other fantasy books and movies that have come out recently and I think all of them to a certain degree incorporate modern thought and opinion. I'm not sure it is entirely possible to completely remove yourself from the world you live in when writing, and even if you manage to do so, your audience still exists in that world and will view your work through that lens.

I'm not sure what you mean by not politically correct. What don't you see as being politically correct? I don't see anyone throwing around modern day slurs or racial insults in DA. They made up their own. And as far as "historically accurate" goes - I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure there were no elves and mages in our history books. It's not meant to be historically accurate. We are talking about a different world here. Sure, the world might mirror back a lot of things from our own world to us, but it is fantasy. Not reality. I think BioWare does address the women and elves as inferior concept well throughout the game and you can react to it accordingly. But it isn't  blown up into a full scale thing for a reason - you are the PC and you need to be able to get around and interact with other characters in the game. If you were forced to play a maiden who never was allowed to leave the house and had to cook and clean all day...well, that sounds like a pretty dull game to me. 

[cJohnOne]

Thanks for the nice reply especially about the Dwarves. What about the Elves and the Qunari? Can you Speculate about that or does the game have more information on Alistairs viewpoint?

[Kavatica]

cJohnOne wrote...

Thanks for the nice reply especially about the Dwarves. What about the Elves and the Qunari? Can you Speculate about that or does the game have more information on Alistairs viewpoint?

Well, apparently Alistair has a thing for elves, which would make sense, considering who his mother is...

Alistair after the whole "I love you/let's have sex convo":

Fem Elf Warden: Even though I'm an elf and not a human like you?
Alistair: Especially because of that.

He also attempts to make things better for the city elves and appoints the elder to his court when he is King (hardened at least). And believes siding with the Dalish is right (although I'm not sure if that is really about his care for elves so much as it is his whole Lawful Good belief stystem coming through). But he doesn't seem to know very much about Dalish elves at all, really (not surprising given how little they interact with shems). As for the Qunari...he seems a bit creeped out by Sten but that's about all we have to go on there.

[theskymoves]

Alistair actually has a "thing" for other races in general.  *checks toolset dialogue for accuracy*

Alistair: [blah blah blah] I want to spend the night with you. Here, in the camp. Maybe this is too fast, I don't know, but... I know what I feel. <3
Warden: Even though I'm not human like you? [only available if PC is not human]
Alistair: Especially because of that.

Later, though you can have this exchange:

Alistair: You're the first woman I've ever spent the night with, and if I have my way you'll be the last. <3
Warden: My being a dwarf doesn't change anything? [Or, "My being an elf doesn't change anything?", depending on which is applicable.]
Fade to black... or not. :wub::wub:



[edited for formatting] *tsm slinks out again*

Modifié par theskymoves, 29 mars 2012 - 04:12 .

[Kavatica]

theskymoves wrote...

*snip*

This is true. Actually, I've always wondered about this line. I feel like it could be interpreted two ways: 1) Alistair has a fetish for dwarves and elves or 2) Alistair is making a joke about the fact that he likes you because you aren't a man ("a human like you"). Because he chuckles after he says it.

[hobbit of the shire]

Kavatica wrote...
This is true. Actually, I've always wondered about this line. I feel like it could be interpreted two ways: 1) Alistair has a fetish for dwarves and elves or 2) Alistair is making a joke about the fact that he likes you because you aren't a man ("a human like you"). Because he chuckles after he says it.

Perhaps Alistair digs other races because of his disappointment in his own race.  Eamon and Isolde abandoning him, Loghain for dooming Duncan and the Wardens, nobility in general.... he wants to get out of all this human garbage.  No wonder he doesn't want to be king.  Maybe he likes how elves and dwarves go about things differently.  (Elves I can definitely see... not so much dwarves, who still have a huge hierarchy, though.)

Modifié par hobbit_of_the_shire, 30 mars 2012 - 04:22 .

[Penarddun]

cJohnOne wrote...
I disagree with Steve about Loghain being
Chaotic Good. I think He's Neutal Evil like Morrigan. He's an Ends
justify the Means type of guy. Very Machiavellian at least in Origins.

I can't think of Morrigan as being Evil. But I'm not sure what else I would classify her as... Maybe Chaotic/Neutral? She doesn't like to be inconvienced true, but I don't remember her ever choosing really evil actions.

Modifié par Penarddun, 30 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[cJohnOne]

Who would be a good Bromance with Alistair?



I say a younger Chuck Norris. I don't know how much younger but younger.
Am I the only one who finds Chuck Norris to be funny?

[Kavatica]

cJohnOne wrote...

Who would be a good Bromance with Alistair?

I say a younger Chuck Norris. I don't know how much younger but younger.
Am I the only one who finds Chuck Norris to be funny?

I think Alistair and Cullen would get along swimmingly. At least in DAO. Alistair would probably be good for Cullen. Get him to loosen up a bit. Back away from the lyrium. Make a joke or two. That sort of thing. And also Ser Gilmore. If he had lived.  They both have the knight in shining armor thing going on.

Modifié par Kavatica, 30 mars 2012 - 03:28 .

[DahliaLynn]

Happy to see this thread is still thriving (well for the most part)
Dropped in to share a scene I just uploaded. It was a request from a modder for a larger mod no longer in production, so I decided to polish it up and upload it.
Basically it was meant to depict a dream Alistair would have after Duncan's death and before the Landsmeet. I hoped to create something that further explains what drives his feelings and actions throughout the game.

Alistair's Dream/Nightmare

I hope you enjoy (Though it's dark in nature)

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 31 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[Kavatica]

DahliaLynn wrote...

Happy to see this thread is still thriving (well for the most part)
Dropped in to share a scene I just uploaded. It was a request from a modder for a larger mod no longer in production, so I decided to polish it up and upload it.
Basically it was meant to depict a dream Alistair would have after Duncan's death and before the Landsmeet. I hoped to create something that further explains what drives his feelings and actions throughout the game.

Alistair's Dream/Nightmare

I hope you enjoy (Though it's dark in nature)

This is so brilliant. Very well done. I loved it. You get ALL THE HUGS.

[DahliaLynn]

Lol, thanks It was a challenging project...tough to imagine and recreate his pain visually.

[Kavatica]

DahliaLynn wrote...

Lol, thanks It was a challenging project...tough to imagine and recreate his pain visually.

Well it was well worth the challenge because you succeeded. The part where he sees Duncan across the field...heartstrings pulled. 

[BevH]

DahliaLynn wrote...

Happy to see this thread is still thriving (well for the most part)
Dropped in to share a scene I just uploaded. It was a request from a modder for a larger mod no longer in production, so I decided to polish it up and upload it.
Basically it was meant to depict a dream Alistair would have after Duncan's death and before the Landsmeet. I hoped to create something that further explains what drives his feelings and actions throughout the game.

Alistair's Dream/Nightmare

I hope you enjoy (Though it's dark in nature)

Another beautiful job, Dahlia! I really hope you can make this into a mod. It really depicts when Alistair says, "If only I'd been there..." I could see this happening after Return to Ostagar, although I realize that not everyone would have this DLC.

[hobbit of the shire]

DahliaLynn wrote...

Happy to see this thread is still thriving (well for the most part)
Dropped in to share a scene I just uploaded. It was a request from a modder for a larger mod no longer in production, so I decided to polish it up and upload it.
Basically it was meant to depict a dream Alistair would have after Duncan's death and before the Landsmeet. I hoped to create something that further explains what drives his feelings and actions throughout the game.

Alistair's Dream/Nightmare

I hope you enjoy (Though it's dark in nature)

Great job with the imagery!  The shock of the splatter and then the dying field scene to the pan-up of the camera.  Need more of this sort of stuff in the official game!  Take note, BW!!!

[cJohnOne]

I zoned out after he stabbed the ogre. I had to pull back the video but it was good.

[DahliaLynn]

Thanks again for watching
Several people on the Alistair fan page sites have given me positive feedback on converting it to an actual mod.

I figure if it is to be a mod, I could probably add a one time only "click on tent" to go to sleep or something to that effect.

If anyone has ideas (and if interested of course) on in-game implementation I'm totally open to hearing them. As a mod I don't want it to disturb the game's natural flow.

@cJohnOne sorry you zoned out. Hard to make it first person, impressionistic, similar to an actual dream, while maintaining some sort of linearity. But I'm glad you thought it was good