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[ladyiolanthe]

Fair enough, theskymoves. That makes sense, considering the dialogue options.

I'm late coming to this thread, though I played my first DAO run-through back in 2009/2010. I played a HNF with the princess-consort ending, and consider it my canon. So, anyway, I went to grad school for two years and had no time to finish DA: Awakening or DAII all the way through. Now that school is finished, I did play through everything, including DAII, and I'm cautiously hopeful about Inquisition next year. To get more DA gratification before the new game comes out, I ordered the Dark Horse comics and the books, and I just finished replaying my HNF from a pre-Alistair's Family save because I failed to harden Alistair but wanted to help him reach his full potential as king.

I managed to read through the first 17 pages of this thread, but I really don't have time to read all 1482! So, maybe this has been addressed already, but...

BOOK/COMIC SPOILERS WARNING

First off, I should mention that I'm firmly in the Fiona-as-Alistair's-mother camp. At the end of The Calling, when she is delivering her baby boy to Maric, she explains that the Grey Wardens are surprised that the effects of the darkspawn taint she was experiencing while travelling in the Deep Roads were reversed. She suggests that this could be because the taint's progression was artificially induced by First Enchanter Remille's talismans, or.... she doesn't elaborate on the "or" though. She goes on to explain that she may be the first Grey Warden who no longer has to endure the Calling.

In the comics, King Alistair (seems to be unmarried King Alistair, though) finds out that Calenhad's line, including himself, carries the blood of dragons. I do wonder whether that is the 'or' that Fiona doesn't elaborate on. The Grey Wardens might not be aware of this story, but maybe Fiona suspects that there is something about her baby and Maric that has something to do with her miracle cure. (The fact that she slept with Maric all of twice and still managed to get pregnant, as a Grey Warden, seems a bit miraculous in and of itself, I think). They want to keep her at Weisshaupt for further study - presumably so they can discover if they can repeat whatever happened, and 'cure' other Grey Wardens. Maybe Fiona even chose to give her baby up because she didn't want the Grey Wardens to figure it out and carry out their experiments on him, too. Maybe this also plays into her reasons for wanting him to be raised in anonymity.

So, I do wonder whether Alistair and the HNF might be able to have children after all? This doesn't negate the tragedy of their continued existence, because they both have to live with the knowledge that they made Morrigan's OGB possible, for purely selfish reasons, and wonder what the heck that means for the future of Thedas. I think that as they get older they will really start to understand the cost of that decision made in the heat of young love.

I do like to think that my femCousland and Alistair could have kids after all - totally squee-worthy. What do you all think?

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 11 juillet 2013 - 07:36 .

[Secretlyapotato]

I do like to think that my femCousland and Alistair could have kids after all - totally squee-worthy. What do you all think?

Gaider said they flat out can't unless there's weird blood magic or whatever involved.

Modifié par Secretlyapotato, 11 juillet 2013 - 07:41 .

[BevH]

First of all, the scene in Awakening you mentioned, Alistair is definitely whispering something in the Warden's ear... it's not a kiss. And from the grin on her face, it was indeed something... naughty.

Next, the books and comics are NOT canon. David Gaider, himself, mentioned this somewhere around here. In my opinion, they are fan fiction written by Gaider, and while I enjoyed them, The Calling, in particular, throws out too much of what we learn in the game.

As to whether or not Alistair and Cousland could have children, Gaider has categorically stated no, but I think they could. There are extenuating circumstances, the least of which would be the Sacred Ashes.

My two cents.

[ladyiolanthe]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

I do like to think that my femCousland and Alistair could have kids after all - totally squee-worthy. What do you all think?

Gaider said they flatout can't unless there's weird blood magic or whatever involved.

My point exactly... a Witch of the Wilds got Calenhad to drink a high dragon's blood 400 years before, and it's still in the line. How is that not some sort of blood magic? According to Yavana, the Witch did it to help awaken dragons in the future since they were already being wiped out, but perhaps it had some other, unforeseen (or even foreseen, who knows what Flemeth's agenda really is?) side-effects.

The Ashes - another good thought. I will keep hoping Alistair can have kids. He'd be an adorable father.

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 11 juillet 2013 - 07:44 .

[BevH]

I believe one of the codex entries about Havard states that all he did was touch the ashes and he was healed. Granted what was healed was injuries from battle, but it also heals Eamon of the poison and isn't that what the taint is? It would also explain why the warden doesn't sense the darkspawn at Vigil's Keep.

[angelic_wounds]

Why wouldn't the Cousland and Alistair be able to have kids? I don't get that.

sylvanaerie wrote...

The drakes are an entirely optional fight, the path to the ashes leads to the other side of the tunnel networks.  I actually found them tougher to beat than the boss at the other side.  Try him first, then come back to them when you're a little higher.  I think I usually tackle them at about 14 (when most of the party has their second specialization).  But then, I play on Casual/Normal modes usually since I like the story, not so much the combat.

Yeah, I will probably go face them on a higher level, I just got sad because I wanted the scales for the Dragon Armour. Oh well, I can go back again. Thankfully, I killed the boss on my second time. Now I am on to Andraste's ashes temple. Thank you so much for your help. :happy:

Modifié par angelic_wounds, 12 juillet 2013 - 08:59 .

[kalasaurus]

angelic_wounds wrote...

Why wouldn't the Cousland and Alistair be able to have kids? I don't get that.

The taint in Wardens makes it difficult to conceive, so it's apparently next to impossible for two Wardens to make a baby together.

[ladyiolanthe]

Yeah, Alistair tells the Warden that right after the Landsmeet if she's a HNF who has made him King and said she'd rule beside him. I don't think you find out in-game, otherwise. Just one of the reasons to replay with different origin stories and choosing different endings, I suppose.

That being said, he doesn't sound completely certain about it, to me... It comes across as just one of those things he heard from the other Fereldan wardens before your character is recruited by Duncan. And he was a new recruit himself, so he might not have all his facts straight.

[BevH]

ladyiolanthe wrote...

Yeah, Alistair tells the Warden that right after the Landsmeet if she's a HNF who has made him King and said she'd rule beside him. I don't think you find out in-game, otherwise. Just one of the reasons to replay with different origin stories and choosing different endings, I suppose.

That being said, he doesn't sound completely certain about it, to me... It comes across as just one of those things he heard from the other Fereldan wardens before your character is recruited by Duncan. And he was a new recruit himself, so he might not have all his facts straight.

I don't believe Alistair is completely certain about it. He also says that the only wardens he knew that had children had them before they became wardens. And while it's not a subject that would come up with regularity, I'm sure both Alistair and the warden would have asked Duncan about it at some point. Duncan seemed to indicate he would fill, at least, the warden in on the details after the battle. Sadly, that never happens.

[angelic_wounds]

BevH wrote...

ladyiolanthe wrote...

Yeah, Alistair tells the Warden that right after the Landsmeet if she's a HNF who has made him King and said she'd rule beside him. I don't think you find out in-game, otherwise. Just one of the reasons to replay with different origin stories and choosing different endings, I suppose.

That being said, he doesn't sound completely certain about it, to me... It comes across as just one of those things he heard from the other Fereldan wardens before your character is recruited by Duncan. And he was a new recruit himself, so he might not have all his facts straight.

I don't believe Alistair is completely certain about it. He also says that the only wardens he knew that had children had them before they became wardens. And while it's not a subject that would come up with regularity, I'm sure both Alistair and the warden would have asked Duncan about it at some point. Duncan seemed to indicate he would fill, at least, the warden in on the details after the battle. Sadly, that never happens.

That is why I asked, cause I thought Alistair mentioned this as a passing rumour which may or may not be valid. I am sorry, I haven't reached Landsmeet yet, I am still in Andraste's mountain cave, and this is my first time playing.
Damn, you are also using terms I don't understand (HNF?). So, yeah, still new. 

[BevH]

angelic_wounds wrote...


That is why I asked, cause I thought Alistair mentioned this as a passing rumour which may or may not be valid. I am sorry, I haven't reached Landsmeet yet, I am still in Andraste's mountain cave, and this is my first time playing.
Damn, you are also using terms I don't understand (HNF?). So, yeah, still new. 

Sorry about the shorthand. HNF = Human Noble Female.

[ladyiolanthe]

BevH wrote...
I don't believe Alistair is completely certain about it. He also says that the only wardens he knew that had children had them before they became wardens. And while it's not a subject that would come up with regularity, I'm sure both Alistair and the warden would have asked Duncan about it at some point. Duncan seemed to indicate he would fill, at least, the warden in on the details after the battle. Sadly, that never happens.

Yeah, I get a little annoyed by all the things the Warden does not get told about being a Warden. Duncan's explanations for this seem pretty flimsy to me, too, when you think about the Dwarven Legion of the Dead. I think Alistair probably would have gone through with the Joining even if he had been told about its effects in advance. He had no expectations of ever being anyone important, so it wouldn't have mattered to him if he would be capable of producing heirs or not, and probably a fair number of other people would choose it too, for any number of reasons. But for some of the origin stories, it just seems like the Grey Wardens dupe your player character. Makes me think they're not as awesome as Alistair thinks they are. Cute little naïve Alistair...

[ladyiolanthe]

I'm sure this has probably been posted somewhere in this thread before, but I thought newcomers might enjoy it. ^-^

blog.bioware.com/2010/03/01/dragon-age-the-revelation-comic/

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 14 juillet 2013 - 12:54 .

[wiccame]

angelic_wounds wrote...

BevH wrote...

ladyiolanthe wrote...

Yeah, Alistair tells the Warden that right after the Landsmeet if she's a HNF who has made him King and said she'd rule beside him. I don't think you find out in-game, otherwise. Just one of the reasons to replay with different origin stories and choosing different endings, I suppose.

That being said, he doesn't sound completely certain about it, to me... It comes across as just one of those things he heard from the other Fereldan wardens before your character is recruited by Duncan. And he was a new recruit himself, so he might not have all his facts straight.

I don't believe Alistair is completely certain about it. He also says that the only wardens he knew that had children had them before they became wardens. And while it's not a subject that would come up with regularity, I'm sure both Alistair and the warden would have asked Duncan about it at some point. Duncan seemed to indicate he would fill, at least, the warden in on the details after the battle. Sadly, that never happens.

That is why I asked, cause I thought Alistair mentioned this as a passing rumour which may or may not be valid. I am sorry, I haven't reached Landsmeet yet, I am still in Andraste's mountain cave, and this is my first time playing.
Damn, you are also using terms I don't understand (HNF?). So, yeah, still new. 

He says, Having an heir Might Not be possible, so there is a little bit of hope

[Secretlyapotato]

He got mad at my HNF when she told him that it didn't necessarily have to be "his" heir, lol

I always thought of it as something like that happening if Alistair and the HNF were to ever have kids. (either with the HNF doing it behind his back in order to concieve an heir or with them both agreeing to it and keeping the secret together)

Modifié par Secretlyapotato, 14 juillet 2013 - 03:37 .

[emeraldtrader]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

He got mad at my HNF when she told him that it didn't necessarily have to be "his" heir, lol

I always thought of it as something like that happening if Alistair and the HNF were to ever have kids. (either with the HNF doing it behind his back in order to concieve an heir or with them both agreeing to it and keeping the secret together)

I never tried that line...interesting

[angelic_wounds]

Okay, I just made love with Alistair for the first time (mother of God), I took a screenshot, and I am beyond pissed cause I cannot access it, due to my profile not having been updated since I was level 9! I am level 13 now, with some cool screenshots I'd love to Photoshop and stuff and I can't access them... Jesus...

[theskymoves]

angelic_wounds wrote...

Okay, I just made love with Alistair for the first time (mother of God), I took a screenshot, and I am beyond pissed cause I cannot access it, due to my profile not having been updated since I was level 9! I am level 13 now, with some cool screenshots I'd love to Photoshop and stuff and I can't access them... Jesus...

Your screenshots should be stored locally (on your computer) in the \\My Documents\\BioWare\\Dragon Age\\Screenshots folder.

~tsm

[angelic_wounds]

theskymoves wrote...

Your screenshots should be stored locally (on your computer) in the My DocumentsBioWareDragon AgeScreenshots folder.

~tsm

A million kisses to you. Thank you so much. <3 So... how do I upload images here? 

Modifié par angelic_wounds, 14 juillet 2013 - 02:53 .

[ladyiolanthe]

In regards to whether the books are canon or not, I just read this over on the DA:I forum...

David Gaider wrote...

nightscrawl wrote...
As long as you're here... is there any way I can get you to comment on the canonicity of the prequel novels? It doesn't seem as if players mention this very often, being more concerned with conflicts with their own games, which as you've explained, isn't an issue.

The two prequel novels are canon-- there is nothing for them to conflict with.

And it is fine to assume that, if your particularly playthrough matches up with the events depicted in Asunder or the comics, those events occurred in the way they're portrayed and will be treated as such in future games. If your particular playthrough does not, then those events either happened differently or not at all. In a game we have the luxury of that kind of variability. In either case, you'll only see how it works once DA3 comes out.

Granted, in The Calling it is never made blatantly obvious that Fiona's son is indeed a wee baby Alistair. Maric might well have slept with one of Arl Eamon's servant girls. Still...

[ladyiolanthe]

angelic_wounds wrote...

theskymoves wrote...

Your screenshots should be stored locally (on your computer) in the My DocumentsBioWareDragon AgeScreenshots folder.

~tsm

A million kisses to you. Thank you so much. <3 So... how do I upload images here? 

I haven't done it on BSN yet, but I do hang out on other forums where I have posted pics, so you can try this...

Since there's no option to insert pics in the 'Add Reply' form, you will have to manually code them in to your reply, inserting them as image links to another website which you use as your image host, for example, Flickr, Photobucket, DeviantArt, etc.

The code that most forums use is as follows, but replace the round brackets ( and ) with square brackets like [ and ] :  

(img)paste your image's URL here(/img)

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 16 juillet 2013 - 06:51 .

[emzluli]

So i cant decide which is the best storyline ending..
I love the idea of Alistair becoming king .. i think it really goes with the story and he is quite a loyal and honourable character. Of course i had to marry him with my HNF. I think that they deserve some happiness after all they've gone through and there's quite a good balance of sacrifice and happiness though now im seeing it kind of cliche

I'm starting to like Alistair remaining as a Warden and going off with her and rebuilding the GW. Also i can imagine him being a good leader maybe more happy. Also the epilogues are sweeter of both DAO and Awakening and in DAII he refers to you more positively haha

hahah I cant decide i wish there was a mix of both coz for me the best storyline's gotta be a bit sad but have a happy ending . I'm such a baby, but i love thinking of how it would turn out if the was one original storyline

[Mr Cloud]

ladyiolanthe wrote...

BevH wrote...
I don't believe Alistair is completely certain about it. He also says that the only wardens he knew that had children had them before they became wardens. And while it's not a subject that would come up with regularity, I'm sure both Alistair and the warden would have asked Duncan about it at some point. Duncan seemed to indicate he would fill, at least, the warden in on the details after the battle. Sadly, that never happens.

Yeah, I get a little annoyed by all the things the Warden does not get told about being a Warden. Duncan's explanations for this seem pretty flimsy to me, too, when you think about the Dwarven Legion of the Dead. I think Alistair probably would have gone through with the Joining even if he had been told about its effects in advance. He had no expectations of ever being anyone important, so it wouldn't have mattered to him if he would be capable of producing heirs or not, and probably a fair number of other people would choose it too, for any number of reasons. But for some of the origin stories, it just seems like the Grey Wardens dupe your player character. Makes me think they're not as awesome as Alistair thinks they are. Cute little naïve Alistair...

I don't know who came up with it, but isn't it fascinating that taint of darkspawns' blood kills slowly and first thing it does is attack....reproducive system?

Brilliant

Modifié par Mr Cloud, 17 juillet 2013 - 03:10 .

[sylvanaerie]

Speculation is all well and good, and fun even but Bioware has said that regardless of who's butt sits on the throne after the Blight, Alistair plus the Cousland, or Anora, or some random lady bann, or Anora alone, or with a Cousland, will all produce no offspring. There will be no clear cut heir for the next generation.   2 wardens can't produce a child together.  

I think they have done it that way on purpose. For what it's worth, I think Alistair would have made a fantastic daddy.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 19 juillet 2013 - 04:49 .

[Mr Cloud]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Speculation is all well and good, and fun even but Bioware has said that regardless of who's butt sits on the throne after the Blight, Alistair plus the Cousland, or Anora, or some random lady bann, or Anora alone, or with a Cousland, will all produce no offspring. There will be no clear cut heir for the next generation.   2 wardens can't produce a child together.  

I think they have done it that way on purpose. For what it's worth, I think Alistair would have made a fantastic daddy.

Could you link a site you got info from? I'd like to read it myself.

But tell me, doesn't it sonund ridiculous that taint damages fertility? And instead of causing some irreversible damage to other systems it primarly attacks gonads? One would think it would cause mental disorders, maybe disfunctions of other organs too. But no, bodily functions deteriorate over time, and fertility is affected almost instantly.

As I said, brilliant.

And yes, Alistair would be a friggin awesome dad, I'd take it for granted.

Modifié par Mr Cloud, 20 juillet 2013 - 09:54 .