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[robertmarilyn]

I wish I had that glitch. I only ever get 1 :-(

 

I wonder if my glitchiness is caused by mods.   

[robertmarilyn]

So how many people found it a tough choice for Alistair vs. Hawke in the Fade?

 

Normally Stroud bites it for me, but one playthrough I let Hawke die over Alistair....

 

and it wasn't as hard as I thoughti t was going to be.

 

Alistair is one of the senior wardens, not to mention he is a prince..... while Hawke....is just a normal guy/gal with a bit of reputation..... his/her death...isn't even that big of a deal 

 

I'll never kill Alistair or Hawke but if I had to choose between the two, I'd make a "fake" Hawke just for killing in the fade. He'd be ugly and a horrible person, that I'd make in the keep. I play DAI with my female Cousland who is married to King Alistair but I also have my favorite male Cousland who is in a romance with Zevran and is also best friends with warden Alistair. 

[Cypher0020]

See that's why I prefer Alistair as king. He lives, my Warden PC lives, Loghain lives.  Stroud gets to be spider demon fade chow.  Hawke lives.

 

Eeeeeeeeeeverybody lives!

 

 

But my WardenAlistair file, I make a bland Hawke.  No LI, ok choices.  Beth became a Warden.  Basically the generic guy that I don't really care for

[gnewna]

Does anyone here have any experience of the Polygamey mod? I'd have preferred the Polyamory mod, but it's apparently incompatible with IRS and ZDF. My elf mage is falling for Alistair, but Zevran also has his charms, I installed the mod at the start of the playthrough but I'm a little unsure whether to trust it'll work properly. 

[Xetykins]

So how many people found it a tough choice for Alistair vs. Hawke in the Fade?

Normally Stroud bites it for me, but one playthrough I let Hawke die over Alistair....

and it wasn't as hard as I thoughti t was going to be.

Alistair is one of the senior wardens, not to mention he is a prince..... while Hawke....is just a normal guy/gal with a bit of reputation..... his/her death...isn't even that big of a deal

As much as I like Hawke, there's never been a single doubt in my mind that Alistair gets out with me. No way I'm leaving him there because it's the deep roads for him and my warden commander together.

And, I can't imagine the depression my Warden would feel and her wrath that follows, when she finds out what happened to Alistair. The Inquisitor better hide in the deepest and loneliest hole somewhere, because its not gonna be pretty.

Although... the epilogue about Anderfels makes me very wary :-(

[gnewna]

As much as I like Hawke, there's never been a single doubt in my mind that Alistair gets out with me. No way I'm leaving him there because it's the deep roads for him and my warden commander together.

And, I can't imagine the depression my Warden would feel and her wrath that follows, when she finds out what happened to Alistair. The Inquisitor better hide in the deepest and loneliest hole somewhere, because its not gonna be pretty.

Although... the epilogue about Anderfels makes me very wary :-(

 

My current playthrough of DAI (I've sort of got all three games on the go...) is based off my (see avatar) first Warden, Cheery Brosca. She initially made Anora queen then woke up from that terrible dream (which went right up to slaying the archdemon, quite a lengthy dream) and set off to the Landsmeet to make her beloved king. So, it was Hawke v Stroud, not a tough decision at all, although on a facial hair v facial hair basis it was a pretty close call. 

 

My next one will probably be based off my current DAO playthrough (and my current DA2, which isn't based off my current DAO obviously, because sometimes the Keep does have its advantages.) I'm intending (although, well, having changed my mind before at... not even the eleventh hour, given I'd finished the game, I guess, this is hardly set in stone!) for this Alistair to remain a Grey Warden, unhardened, and let Anora be queen. I hadn't realised until a day or two ago that this means he's in place of Stroud (damn, maybe I will have another DA2 playthrough to see how that goes...) in both of the later games. This will be a much tougher choice, not least because, well, I think Fenris and my new Warden would both be pretty terrifying if they came after next!Inquisitor for abandoning their beloveds. 

 

I think my Warden (Tikva) would cope better, though, not least because, well, bless him, Fenris doesn't exactly have much of a support network - my Warden's pretty friendly and even if she's not still close with her DAO companions (I can't remember details but I'm pretty sure they all kind of bugger off?) I imagine she's got new pals in the Wardens as well as professional type support from non-friend colleagues. Fenris, well, he's unlikely to have become less of an angsty porcupine in the year or so between DA2 and DAI - he's got Aveline and Donnic, I guess, and Varric (oh, poor Varric) but that's pretty much it, and assumes he's still in touch with any of them, and even less likely, assumes he'd actually turn to them unless they basically moved themselves into his home and refused to leave.

 

Tikva would be crushed, of course, and she, too, would have been anticipating the Deep Roads with Alistair, but she's also realistic about the fact that they do both have this death sentence - at most, by the events of DAI, they both have twenty years to live. Hawke, though, could easily live into their sixties or seventies (although obviously their tendency to go around getting into fights with gigantic demons and dragons make that a bit less likely than the average person of means, but there's no definite "you will not live past your early fifties" thing.)

 

It's a shame there doesn't seem to be a situation where "the Grey Warden" is the Warden, in DAI, though - they let you customise Hawke, so they could have done the same for the Warden, although I guess people would have probably lost it at the voice being Wrong which it probably would be for most players.

[Xetykins]

I don't really mind. Any cool warden voice would do for me. However, the rest of my warden was too complex and it would take Bioware a miracle to make her remotely acceptable :'(

[gnewna]

There is that, yeah... (I wasn't so much meaning the voice in terms of what the actor/actress sounds like as the way they talk and so on, given most of what I picture my Warden saying isn't exactly the same as what the clicky line has written out, same as how what Hawke actually says isn't verbatim with the dialogue choice.)

[Xetykins]

Yeah Hawke says completely different thing than I though she would say at least 30% of the time. She and Alistair would have been great together in that area. Too bad he's taken :-)

[Marika Haliwell]

M Warden Alistair lives always! the other one is the King with his warden queen. Sorry hawke!

[gnewna]

Okay, another mod question - does IRS-A change it so that Alistair says "something you need, my dear?" even if he's not hardened? Or is something bugging out in my game? I'm 99% sure he isn't hardened - I didn't pick either the vanilla hardening line or the "no, but you need to learn to stand up for yourself" type line which I believe the mod adds as a gentler alternative with the same result, I didn't get the follow up "did you really mean that?" type conversation, and when I tested going to the Pearl and suggesting a threesome he refused (then I reloaded, because aww, poor sod.) But I still get that rather than... can't remember, but whatever the non-hardened line is, the one where he doesn't sound like quite such a smug git. I'm using the standalone DAzip version, if it matters.

[gottaloveme]

I always get the something you need my dear line and everytime I hear it I think Alistair you pompous ass.       But that is with IRS-BigAl. I wish he would say my love like he does when you click on him to make him the controlled character.

 

Ah Alistair

[Xetykins]

Okay, another mod question - does IRS-A change it so that Alistair says "something you need, my dear?" even if he's not hardened? Or is something bugging out in my game? I'm 99% sure he isn't hardened - I didn't pick either the vanilla hardening line or the "no, but you need to learn to stand up for yourself" type line which I believe the mod adds as a gentler alternative with the same result, I didn't get the follow up "did you really mean that?" type conversation, and when I tested going to the Pearl and suggesting a threesome he refused (then I reloaded, because aww, poor sod.) But I still get that rather than... can't remember, but whatever the non-hardened line is, the one where he doesn't sound like quite such a smug git. I'm using the standalone DAzip version, if it matters.

It does not fix the "my dear" line. Though, there are.a.couple of options for hardening him there.

[theskymoves]

Alistair's 'romanced' conversation responses -  the first thing he says when the player character initiates conversation - are all Approval/relationship-state dependent:

 

At your service. -  Interested (0-+50)
Yeees? - Care (+51-70)
Your desire is my command. - Adore (+71-90)
Something you need, my dear? - Love (+91-100)

 

 It's solely approval/relationship state based. There are no hardened/unhardened flags/versions/options, so there's nothing to 'fix'. /pedantry

[gnewna]

Ah, okay then, I must have misunderstood/misremembered my previous playthrough where I initially didn't harden him (and he didn't change that line by the time I changed my mind and reloaded) and then went back and did, and he seemed to change straight away, thanks! I'm not keen, but so long as it's not a bug, I'll stop worrying!

[gottaloveme]

He probably says the my dear line because my Cousland chases him all over camp when he does. And when she catches him. . . well. . . you know.

[Xetykins]

He probably says the my dear line because my Cousland chases him all over camp when he does. And when she catches him. . . well. . . you know.

Hehe you harlot! He probably ran a mile for each of your meter at first!

[Kernel_Error]

For me, my favorite fate for Alistair is to make him king and marry him with female Cousland. Since he tells you he is king Maric's son, I have the feeling Alistair's meant to be a king. In that conversation in Redcliffe when you can tell him "as you command ... my prince" and he says something similar to "I know i'll regret this" I saw it clear I would make him the next Ferelden's king, I know he doesn't want to be a king, and may be he would be happier as a grey warden, but in life not always we get what we want, and finally he starts to come to terms about being king (yes.. I hardened him), so I thinks it's not a bad fate at all, may be it's the safest,  he has a good position in live and he marries the woman he loves.

Also I prefer him as a king, because although Anora's a experienced ruler she has a lot of flaws, i.e. Tevinter and slavering elves, or letting his father being the regent,(Isn't she the Queen??! I never understood why Loghain became the regent), and I thought may be placing Alistair and my warden(she, being a noble and knowing how politics works) as rulers they could try to do it better for Ferelden's sake.

 

With this state of world I havent had to choose between Hawke and Alistair on DA:I, may be, on day I'll be brave enogh to keep him as a warden and face this choice. In my playthrough I had to choose between Hawke and Stroud, and I must admit I had to think about it because it made more sense to me to keep alive one of the last grey wardens (at least one who isn't corrupted) to try to rebuild the order to face blights and archdemons, than saving Hawke, but finally I went sentimental and I saved her.

 

Alistair could stay the sweet guy he was without getting jaded and it honestly it reminded me a bit of Farscape's John and Aeryn (might be my favorite couple ever).

 

Long time without hearing about Farscape, I loved that show and I loved John and Aeryn,.. a lot!

[helloxina]

I do love all the Alistair romance options, Alistair as a whole is just great *gush* but there is one thing I have been thinking about/wondering regarding the romance outcomes in later games.

If in DA:O you make Alistair king and have your female human warden marry him (who could resist!) the references to their romance in the later games seems a lot more 'luke warm' than if you chose to have a romanced Alistair remain as a grey warden. Like in DA:2 you get numerous references to the HoF having wed King Alistair and ruled with him but when you meet him you get one reference to an 'old ball n chain' (which admittedly was rather funny as I took it to be an affectionate joke!) but that's about that. If he is a Grey Warden when you run into him he will/can remark about passing on an amulet that belongs to the love of his life....n'awww.

In DA:I if he's king his involvement is very brief and (it seems-not played yet) the only real reference to the marriage is codex entries/the letter from the HoF. Haven't done it myself but have seen that Grey Warden Alistair will gush about how much he loves the HoF and that they'll reunite when she returns etc.

I can never tell if this is to

a) make it easier for Alistairs DA:2 cameo to apply to either Anora or the HoF as it could be interpreted as either humorous or serious.
b ) to imply that Alistairs personality remained more akin to that in DA:O if he remained a grey warden. Although this would puzzle me as canon seems to push for him being King. It could be trying to imply this role has changed him.
c) to 'tone down' the romance option if you go with King, perhaps in prep for a future plot point?
d) simple practicalities as his roles are much smaller and don't invite conversation if he's king.

I'm probably just concerned as I have a King Alistair playthrough with HoF Queen and I'm sad I won't get to hear the kind of smushy cute conversation I liked in DA:O I would have liked the King version of Alistair to do a bit of mush about the queen at some point so I didn't have to go the grey warden route and make a sticky choice at the end (it would be bye bye Hawke)!
Obviously it's not overly crucial to the sequels but as a fan of the DA:O Alistair romance I am a little curious! Thoughts?

[gnewna]

I'm probably just concerned as I have a King Alistair playthrough with HoF Queen and I'm sad I won't get to hear the kind of smushy cute conversation I liked in DA:O I would have liked the King version of Alistair to do a bit of mush about the queen at some point so I didn't have to go the grey warden route and make a sticky choice at the end (it would be bye bye Hawke)!
Obviously it's not overly crucial to the sequels but as a fan of the DA:O Alistair romance I am a little curious! Thoughts?

 

I would guess it boils down to King Alistair is far less likely to be married to the HoF than to be married to them - for a start only one possible origin (human noble female) *can* marry him out of, what, fourteen possible options (i.e. there are six Origins, one of which has two race options, and each is available to two genders - I'm not counting warrior vs rogue as a separate thing because it barely changes anything) and *then* a lot would have kept him as a Warden, some may have let him die, some might not even have romanced him, some might have married him for political reasons while not romancing him at all (I could be wrong but I think this is an option, similar to how you can marry Anora as an HNM?), etc. Whereas there's probably a lot more Grey Warden Alistairs who are still with various permutations of lady Wardens, making it more worth the extra little bit of voice recording involved. Does he say much/anything about the HoF if she's his mistress? (Can't remember if the Keep covers this option or not.)

 

Though I think also there is probably the fact that I would think *most* King Alistairs got hardened, whereas most Warden Alistairs probably didn't, and I don't think there's a Keep flag thingy for hardening (can't remember, can't be bothered checking) so they've probably just assumed based on that that King Alistair is a bit less prone to gushing.

[helloxina]

Good point on all of that, suppose with the variety of backgrounds and even with female human political marriage option the romanced King + HoF queen path was selected by quite a narrow selection of players and while the appropriate conversation options and epilogue options did reflect this path in quite a significant way in DA:O, it would be rather a lot of effort to add conversation options and voice acting to this path in games set many years down the line! (No matter how much some diehard romance fans may have enjoyed that based on a bit of browsing online haha). Plus for those doing multiple playthroughs it adds another little bit of variety to an already vast choice.

Will have to keep my eye out for the hardening flags in the keep-I had an unhardened king so it wouldn't matter too much either way when making my choices, but would be interesting to see if they're included!

[gnewna]

(I totally agree it would be nice if he had special dialogue for romanced!Queen, though! Or even "it's just a marriage of convenience, really, but she's still my best friend and my most trusted advisor" or something for non-romanced Queen Cousland... I'm sure one day I'll actually play an HNF just to have the marriage thing, it's my second-least-favourite origin, though, the actual prologue bit is pretty great but I just don't find playing as a human all that fun in DAO for some reason, esp a non-mage.)

[helloxina]

I agree fully! Not just because im a sucker for the romance dialogue lol but a nice line just to differentiate and acknowledge the players choice would have been a good nod to DA:O. Something exactly like you say above for a marriage at friendship stage, something nice and romantic at Romanced stage and maybe even something a bit witty or jokey if you'd married at low approval! I thought it was nice in DA:O that if the marriage was political or unromanced the epilogue made reference to the queen being trusted to rule or something were as if it was romantic it makes reference to the 'new king adoring his bride'- a small difference but made quite a nice touch, so something small along those lines would have been nice in the games that followed.
On my next playthrough I quite fancy doing the mage origin story and I'll no doubt still romance Alistair but explore making Anora Queen instead!

[theskymoves]

I would guess it boils down to King Alistair is far less likely to be married to the HoF than to be married to them - for a start only one possible origin (human noble female) *can* marry him out of, what, fourteen possible options (i.e. there are six Origins, one of which has two race options, and each is available to two genders - I'm not counting warrior vs rogue as a separate thing because it barely changes anything) and *then* a lot would have kept him as a Warden, some may have let him die, some might not even have romanced him, some might have married him for political reasons while not romancing him at all (I could be wrong but I think this is an option, similar to how you can marry Anora as an HNM?), etc. Whereas there's probably a lot more Grey Warden Alistairs who are still with various permutations of lady Wardens, making it more worth the extra little bit of voice recording involved. Does he say much/anything about the HoF if she's his mistress? (Can't remember if the Keep covers this option or not.)

 

Though I think also there is probably the fact that I would think *most* King Alistairs got hardened, whereas most Warden Alistairs probably didn't, and I don't think there's a Keep flag thingy for hardening (can't remember, can't be bothered checking) so they've probably just assumed based on that that King Alistair is a bit less prone to gushing.

 

This is indeed possible... my only completed Queen Cousland run was a political marriage to an un-hardened non-romanced Alistair.