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[Cypher0020]

Alistair always lived. Hawke just never won me over in the two games I played of that horrible mess of a game. Alistair wins because we still need grey wardens and it seems he's turned out to be a fantastic one if you ask me. I tried to give Hawke a fair chance but never could not choose him to live. 

 

I agree. I was a bit sad that... well.... Hawke dying didn't really seem that big of a deal. No one in the Inquisition really knew Hawke, and Varric had a sad tale, and was writing letters...........and that's it.

[Xetykins]

Well, mine married him for twuu wub! I never married him as a friend, but I saw that the conversation was sweet.

[sylvanaerie]

I do love all the Alistair romance options, Alistair as a whole is just great *gush* but there is one thing I have been thinking about/wondering regarding the romance outcomes in later games.

If in DA:O you make Alistair king and have your female human warden marry him (who could resist!) the references to their romance in the later games seems a lot more 'luke warm' than if you chose to have a romanced Alistair remain as a grey warden. Like in DA:2 you get numerous references to the HoF having wed King Alistair and ruled with him but when you meet him you get one reference to an 'old ball n chain' (which admittedly was rather funny as I took it to be an affectionate joke!) but that's about that. If he is a Grey Warden when you run into him he will/can remark about passing on an amulet that belongs to the love of his life....n'awww.

In DA:I if he's king his involvement is very brief and (it seems-not played yet) the only real reference to the marriage is codex entries/the letter from the HoF. Haven't done it myself but have seen that Grey Warden Alistair will gush about how much he loves the HoF and that they'll reunite when she returns etc.

I can never tell if this is to

a) make it easier for Alistairs DA:2 cameo to apply to either Anora or the HoF as it could be interpreted as either humorous or serious.
b ) to imply that Alistairs personality remained more akin to that in DA:O if he remained a grey warden. Although this would puzzle me as canon seems to push for him being King. It could be trying to imply this role has changed him.
c) to 'tone down' the romance option if you go with King, perhaps in prep for a future plot point?
d) simple practicalities as his roles are much smaller and don't invite conversation if he's king.

I'm probably just concerned as I have a King Alistair playthrough with HoF Queen and I'm sad I won't get to hear the kind of smushy cute conversation I liked in DA:O I would have liked the King version of Alistair to do a bit of mush about the queen at some point so I didn't have to go the grey warden route and make a sticky choice at the end (it would be bye bye Hawke)!
Obviously it's not overly crucial to the sequels but as a fan of the DA:O Alistair romance I am a little curious! Thoughts?

 

I think it's this if he's king.  My King Alistair run (my canon) was with a Mistress Surana.  Ten years have matured the young man and he doesn't mention (and why would he?) to a person 1) he doesn't know and 2) isn't there to see, per se, as he is there to deal with Fiona and the mage fiasco.  As a Grey Warden, he has a lot more time on his hands to discuss his personal life, and is a lot more free to be open about his life.  Admittedly, I'd have liked some mention if my HoF Cousland was his queen, but really, the cameo doesn't really call for frivolity or personal discussion about his family life.  And it's one reason I never bothered with an import with that feature.  

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My one ruler import was my King Cousland, and both Leliana (his love) and Morrigan (his baby's mother) mention him.  Even GW Alistair does, but it saddened me, as I had quite the bro-mance with the Adorkable One.  I got the feeling the two bro's had a falling out in the past decade.  In Orlais, Leliana gets mention as the mistress of the king of Ferelden, but then I got the feeling they are more open to that kind of arrangement than Ferelden/Anora are.

 

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In my GW Alistair import, I put a Hawke I had no attachment to for the sacrifice (to see it).  It was rather touching, both her farewell to Fenris and Varric's reaction almost tore me up so much I almost reloaded.  At least you can get a hug from the dwarf later.

[helloxina]

Admittedly, I'd have liked some mention if my HoF Cousland was his queen, but really, the cameo doesn't really call for frivolity or personal discussion about his family life. And it's one reason I never bothered with an import with that feature.

Very true, I would have liked the mention also but without the 'investigate' option or infact a conversation at all it would have seemed strange if he just threw it out there! And as a grey warden he's more of a friend/ally and I suppose more likely to offer an insight as opposed to being all business.

My cannon had my HoF as his (beloved ) queen but my next playthrough I will probably play around with some outcomes be it via a whole new playthrough starting from DA:O or via the Keep. Not only for the outcome of the romance but mainly as the only outcome of my canon playthrough that I don't like is that I would have enjoyed the role Alistar plays in the 'remains a grey warden' route more than his king cameos.

I haven't had to make the decision you mention in your second spoiler but I'd like to have a playthrough were I do just to see how I'd feel. I can't imagine I'd be too fussed by the outcome of choosing A but I haven't seen it so it might be sadder than I think!

[Kernel_Error]

 

Admittedly, I'd have liked some mention if my HoF Cousland was his queen, but really, the cameo doesn't really call for frivolity or personal discussion about his family life.  And it's one reason I never bothered with an import with that feature.  

 

Very true, I would have liked the mention also but without the 'investigate' option or infact a conversation at all it would have seemed strange if he just threw it out there! And as a grey warden he's more of a friend/ally and I suppose more likely to offer an insight as opposed to being all business.
 

 

I totally agree.  When Alistair shows as king, he is not in the mood to have a light chat with the Inquisitor. He feels betrayed by those who has sheltered, and probably he feels he has screwed up allowing them to take refuge there so  to keep his credibility as a ruler,  he must show his strength kicking them out. In fact in the operation shadows over denerim at the war table he appologies to her (in my case a female inquisitor) for their cold meeting, so I don't think it's the best moment to talk about his private life, it wouldn't make any sense in that moment. This is a very different situation that when he shows up as a grey warden where he has the chance to work with the Inquisitor.

 

 

If he is a king surely he's been forced to change ....but....   who doesn't change in ten years? In DA:O he was very young and generally it's no the same to be in the earlys 20's than being in the earlys 30's, people changes,  and that without the responsability of ruling a country, so.... I think in essence he is the same -I have to reference again the operation "Shadows in Denerim", a very funny letter, you totally can imagine it's been Alistair who has dictated it!-. -Furthermore, all this giving protection  to the mages shows he is still idealistic and against conditions he considers unfair like he was in DA:O...

 

About his relation with a 'queen HOF', I think he would say the same as warden Alistair if he had the chance because at the end, they're the same person,  For example there is a codex entry named 'Ferelden After the Blight" where the writer says she doesn't understand why he's giving asylum to mages, and wonders about his mind suffering because the queen's absence.

 

I must admit it's a pity we don't get more of king Alistair.... just to make us happy, they could have developed a simple mission, just like the king Alistair's mission on DA:2, with him on Skyhold and with a reference for the HOF, instead giving us two operations of the war table... but well at least they gave more importance to warden Alistair...

[Xetykins]

I did not like the fact that the King Alistair port is too damned short and impersonal too. Im on the warden Al import right now, but... Im sooo bored of the game that it is a chore to even play a few mins a day just to get to the Warden Alistair goodness. Frankly, he's the only reason I'm doing this playthrough

[helloxina]

 
About his relation with a 'queen HOF', I think he would say the same as warden Alistair if he had the chance because at the end, they're the same person,  For example there is a codex entry named 'Ferelden After the Blight" where the writer says she doesn't understand why he's giving asylum to mages, and wonders about his mind suffering because the queen's absence.
 
I must admit it's a pity we don't get more of king Alistair.... just to make us happy, they could have developed a simple mission, just like the king Alistair's mission on DA:2, with him on Skyhold and with a reference for the HOF, instead giving us two operations of the war table... but well at least they gave more importance to warden Alistair...

Very true, it's easy to forget it's essentially one character on two paths, so I'd also very much like to think in different circumstances similar feelings would have been raised that were equally sweet and rewarding to anyone who put a some time into the romance in DA:O.
I also would have liked more King Alistar just to make the cameo a bit more developed. It is good they gave some significance to warden Alistair but a bit more development on the king one would have been nice- I'm sure there is a way they could have built in a mission like you suggest that still fitted the plot!

[gottaloveme]

Maker I hope this works.

 

Couldn't resist this - but then it is Alistair

 

[gottaloveme]

Best place to ask this question would, of course, be here. Has anyone waited for Alistair's rose until he was hardened and did it make any difference to his dialogue? The idea just hit me and being my nth play through I must admit I have never tried it.

[theskymoves]

Best place to ask this question would, of course, be here. Has anyone waited for Alistair's rose until he was hardened and did it make any difference to his dialogue? The idea just hit me and being my nth play through I must admit I have never tried it.

 

I didn't wait as much as something went phlooey in my game, trigger-wise, and he didn't offer it until really late in the game (post-Landsmeet, post sex, post... almost everything). There was no difference in his dialogue IIRC, and from my long-ago exploration of the audio files and his dialogue in the toolset, I don't recall there even being hardened vs softie paths.

[gottaloveme]

Thanks TSM. Tried myself and no difference.

[Twilight_Princess]

Hello everyone! I came down with a huge case of the Alistair feels after playing Origins again. I thought the Inquisition section had its own Alistair thread to gush about him but alas, I can't find one.  I hope you don't mind if I post my thoughts about his appearance in Inquisition and possible reappearance in DLC here. I can't get enough of our favorite cheese-eating warden so here's a couple of things that I hope get addressed or expanded upon;

 

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1. More King Alistair

 

I can't have been the only one that wanted to interact with this version of Alistair a bit more. I'm curious what life has been like for Al and his queen/mistress since the end of the Blight. I'm crossing my fingers for another cameo , hopefully one that allows him to stick around at Skyhold for a bit so we get a chance to ask him questions. A particular tile in the keep has also had me pondering. There's a tile that says "Didn't remain Alistair's mistress" and it clearly shows a heart is still there, meaning he still has feelings for the Warden. This is if he breaks up with your character after becoming king or if you spare Loghain and marry him to Anora while in a romance. I wonder if this will have any relevance at all.  The fact that, this tile exists alongside one that says "The warden & Alistair were not lovers" makes me think it eventually will. They could have easily made you default to the "warden & Alistair were not lovers" tile if you broke up over the king issue but they didn't. I hope this tile will have some sort of significance if King Alistair returns. Even if its just a bit of extra dialogue. I'm curious if, after so many years, he'll express regret or even plan to see her again. Drunk Alistair turned his life around and returned to being warden so maybe an angry/less confident King Alistair might also mature and realize their mistake as well. Perhaps even allude to doing something about it, who knows.

2. What happened to the hero left behind in the fade?

Are they dead? Alive? Can they be saved? I'd like to have this confirmed because we don't know what happened to Alistiar if we left him behind. The choice said "likely to die" so this is still up in the air. I hope we get to go back somehow and see what happened to him.

3. Cure for the calling

This is a big deal because if the HoF succeeds , Al can have a normal life with the love of his life (well I don't know about "normal" but it will be longer and they could have a family if they wanted to). Is this a DLC clue or something they plan to address in DA4? We haven't seen the architect yet and Bioware would not have had all our wardens go on this quest canonically  for no reason. I hope this does eventually result in something, maybe it will be a final chapter for the HoF. Speaking of...

4. The HoF or never say never

It's been stated that we won't ever meet the HoF as another protagonist simply because they didn't have a voice actor and there are too many variables to account for in terms of personality. That makes sense BUT what if we were able to play them again briefly in the form of flashbacks? Lets say the Inquistor is heading into the deep roads for a quest, how cool would it be to stumble across notes made by the HoF? The Inquistor starts to read them aloud and then you start playing as the warden again while the Inquisitor occasionally narrates. There will be moments where the old school dialogue choices appear again (no talking just text) and you'll be able to talk to familiar faces again, provided you kept them alive and had a good relationship with them. It would be a nice little nod to origins and it would allow us to get some more closure for our wardens. The flashbacks could show different times during the HoF's personal quest. Maybe it might let us decide if the Warden even cures themselves. What if its another difficult decision? If you don't cure yourself (and Alistair) it might soon be time for them to venture into the deep roads for their calling anyway. It could act as a last chapter, what your warden finally does. Do you retire with your loved one? Carry on being royalty? Travel Thedas? Decide the choice isn't worth it and die honorably in the deep roads? I just think they can still do something with the HoF without the Inquisitor or any other future protagonist actually meeting them themselves. What we do know is their story is not quite over yet and it'll be interesting what Bioware decides to do.

 

 

*phew* I'm done anyone else got any high hopes for future Alistair related content?

[gottaloveme]

The fact that there was only a small amount of dialogue with our Al as king was disappointing. No mention of the missing queen. There's another thing that kind of grates my cheese ( ) and that is that Al has to call on the Inquisition to solve problems for him. Here's the man who was side-by-side with the HoF in ending the civil war and stopping the blight, King of Ferelden and he can't deal with a bunch of Venatori on his own? Don't buy it.

 

There's the idea of Alistair and Weisshaupt for the future. Alistair facing the threat of renewed Orlesian aggression. Although neither of these are canon. It would be great to have an entire Alistair dlc. I would love a reunion between HoF romance and Al but again too many choices of HoF. As for the cure for the calling, see the link to my fic

[Qun00]

I agree. I was a bit sad that... well.... Hawke dying didn't really seem that big of a deal. No one in the Inquisition really knew Hawke, and Varric had a sad tale, and was writing letters...........and that's it.

Hawke's role is already finished.

The future belongs to new heroes.

[sylvanaerie]

Hawke's role is already finished.

The future belongs to new heroes.

 

I loved my favorite Hawke's, and even had a fondness for my favorite Wardens, but I have to agree with this and add that I wouldn't have it any other way.  I'd rather spend my time speculating about the new characters and lands my new protagonists will be meeting in future games than worrying about what my warden is up to or what happened to Hawke.  I'm satisfied with how Bioware resolved both their stories.

 

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Though I wouldn't be averse to more Alistair, I fear his tale may be done unless he takes on the role he had in Inquisition, shared with 2 other wardens.

 

Not sure we will see anything Alistair specific in future installments unless its for the king because warden Alistair has a multitude of different fates that could have befallen him.

[Qun00]

Resolved more or less.

We have yet to find out if the living!Warden's quest to change the fate of the grey wardens will amount to anything.

Speaking of the taint, could Alistair ever have offspring? I know that Morrigan kinda managed that (not necessarily with Alistair) but there was some ritual stuff involved.

Maybe it was her magic that allowed the impossible to happen.

[Yaroub]

Speaking of the taint, could Alistair ever have offspring? I know that Morrigan kinda managed that (not necessarily with Alistair) but there was some ritual stuff involved.

 

Yes, wardens can have offspring, though they have low fertility rates.

 

But in case Alistair married to female warden, they probably cannot give birth to a child, as their chances would be very slim, due to the fact that they are both tainted.

[Qun00]

What are the odds the kid would be born tainted?

[Yaroub]

What are the odds the kid would be born tainted?

 

The kid should be fine according to Gaider

 

Here's something from the archive Gaider posted in it http://forum.bioware...ntage-spoilers/

[sylvanaerie]

I recall reading a discussion on the forums where people asked about the taint and any potential children of a grey warden.  Apparently, according to Gaider, the taint doesn't cross the placental barrier even under normal pregnancy conditions.  Fiona's child was untainted at birth.

[cJohnOne]

Just admit it you want DA4 to be all about Alistair.

 

 

I just wanted to post something in the Alistair thread.  

 

 

I don't actually have origins installed since I got my new computer. Lets see how many years it will be before I install.

[Kynare]

Bleh. Why's there so many DA:I spoilers here? I probably won't be able to play DA:I until I have a better computer, but I feel like I already know the important stuff that has to do with Alistair now. ;

[sylvanaerie]

Bleh. Why's there so many DA:I spoilers here? I probably won't be able to play DA:I until I have a better computer, but I feel like I already know the important stuff that has to do with Alistair now. ;

 

Most of the posts I've seen about DAI content have been included in spoiler tags.  I know anything I thought may have been a spoiler, even minor stuff, has been placed in tags that you won't see unless you open them.

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 Alistair's role in Inquisition is small regardless of which role you have him in. Especially King Alistair.

 

If, however you consider even mention that he's in Inquisition in any capacity to be a spoiler (which is a legitimate complaint) the forums may not necessarily be the best place to hang out till you've managed to play through the game at least once.

[Kynare]

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I have to choose between "Alistair and Hawke in the Fade" and who will be killed!!!!

Gathered from the page before this alone. I get it, it's a place to gush about Alistair so naturally it gravitates to all games. Just... maybe I'll gush to myself for now.

[Qun00]

You know, I really wish we could spare Loghain AND have Alistair rule alone without giving Anora a damned thing.