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[Xetykins]

It would have been awesome to have an option for a double sacrifice vs the Archdemon,that is how a true romance story arc have to end,kinda like
Corin and Neriah.

I don't know who they are but I like the idea very much. Oh my god, the pre-suicide angsty conversation (and activities) to be had!!

[Xetykins]

It is far more likely that Anora ended up in that tower because you backstabbed her than vice versa.  It's possible to win without Anora's support if you do everything else right, but if you didn't make a deal with her, then she doesn't owe you her support.

If you don't support her then she stabs you, yes ..whether you win the landsmeet or not. I only make a deal with her if I plan on putting her on the throne. So I dont see how I'm stabbing her.

And don't even get me started on the rescue mission. It looked rather staged to me even after a total of 21 playthroughs.

[Xetykins]

In any case executing Anora despite her popularity, won't make Alistair as secure on his throne as you think.

Oh? And who would the people rally on after she's gone? Eamon is the strongest contender, but i don't think he wants it. He probably only want to pull the strings.B

[Xetykins]

Double suicides are too much for me... don't make me weep. One of the saddest movies I've seen is the Plague Dogs.
 
Even Thelma and Louise is sad. Or when that LT died with Vasquez in Aliens.

The saddest for me in a video game was my warden's sacrifice. That really hit me for months. I think its not the sacrifice itself that got me but the series of events from being dumped by alistair after that feeling totally alone as a human noble because you don't actually know Fergus is alive til after the battle. Then there's the companion's final speeches. On top of that I just lost a good friend irl, so that did not help my gloomy mood in the game. I really felt the whole thing on my first playthrough without metagame.

Very close second of that was loosing Mordin, Tali, Grunt and Legion on one playthrough. I was a wreck!!

[Kernel_Error]

Speaking about the Landsmeet outcomes, a few months ago I introduced DA:O to my boyfriend, and this afternoon he’s finished the Landsmeet part...  I’ve asked for his outcome because I was too curious to know the reaction of someone who hasn’t had time to reconsider his choices. It seems however prior the landsmeet he wanted to marry Anora and Alistair and put them in the throne, he has finished this part hating Loghain for his betrayal and Anora after backstabbing him. On Anora, he says she’s like his father and she would betray anything to keep her power in her own benefit. After defeating Loghain with his male warden, he has allowed Alistair to behead Loghain, has put him as sole king and he thinks Anora should be executed because she’s a threat to Alistair’s ruling. He likes Alistair enough to consider him a better choice than Anora and to sit him in the throne.

 

Funny I had a similar reaction when I did my first playthrough of DA:O some months ago. I promise I haven’t influenced him in any of his choices! I’ve tried to avoid major spoilers to him…. However he knew about my warden being queen….

[sylvanaerie]

 

 

 

The end slides also say that Cullen becomes a deranged serial killer if you don't Annul the Circle. 

 

I think the devs have also said that the slides are just in-universe rumors from characters who don't have all the facts, and that they shouldn't be taken as "canon" so much as a possible "what could have happened" after the events of the game until proven otherwise, but should be taken with a grain of salt. So, I take them with a grain of salt.

 

 

Is that what the devs said? If not, I think it's speculation. 

 

Personally, I wondered why they didn't have a "hardened" or "unhardened" Alistair in Inquisition too, and I speculate they don't do it partly because he gained confidence as he got older, so it doesn't really matter in the long run.

 

During DAO, it should be noted that Alistair is only 18-20, and very much a sheltered boy who was told what to do his whole life, and is out on his own for the first time. He was raised in a castle (always told what to do by Eamon), then sheltered in the Templars (always told what to do by his superiors), then spent 6 months with the Grey Wardens (always directed where to go by Duncan), then was thrust into a leadership role with you after the Grey Wardens died. Of course he doesn't have confidence in his leadership or decision-making abilities; he's never had to before.

 

But by Inquisition, he's had ten years to "grow into his armor," so to speak.

 

If made king, he's had ten years to get used to wearing the crown and dealing with affairs of state. (Maybe he did start off shirking his responsibilities and running away to taverns like the slides said, or those were just exaggerated rumors by subjects who loved him, but he grew up and got over it by Da2/Inquisition). If a Grey Warden, he's had ten years to get used to working with the Grey Wardens as an equal or superior (not as a Junior Warden) since you met him at Ostagar. 

 

If you didn't harden him during Origins (when he was still an inexperienced "lad"), then he hardened into the role of his own accord and grew up by the time the Inquisitior (possibly) meets him in Inquisition.

 

 

Um, Anora can't be regent because (according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary) a regent is "a person who governs a kingdom in the minority, absence, or disability of the sovereign." The only way Anora would be regent is if someone else was the sovereign king or queen for her to be the regent of, and we all know Anora (and Loghain, for that matter) will not give up her throne.

 

Otherwise, I completely agree.   

 

Loghain goes on and on about how Ferelden has a capable queen and he "just commands her armies," yet he crowned himself king in all but name, took over the politics (and did a terrible job!), then brushed her aside when she disagreed with him. (It's not like she'd know more about politics than he does; why listen to her advice?)

 

The only reason I can think that she let him declare himself regent is that she thinks her daddy walks on water. Like Ser Cauthrien, she's blindly devoted to Loghain and thinks he can do no wrong. It takes him nearly driving the country into the ground for her to realize he's not the perfectly flawless "never-had-a-bad-idea-in-his-head" superhero that she thought he was.

 

 

I personally don't like hardening Alistair.   

 

I don't see it as "raising his self-esteem" or "giving him that little push to believe in himself," I see it as crushing his spirit. You're kicking him while he's at his lowest point from being rejected by the last family he thinks he has. Rather than reassuring him that you're his friend or that people care about him, you're basically confirming his fears that no one will ever love him or care about him because they're all out for themselves (including you), so he should just be out for himself too. I hated that!   

 

I hardened Alistair once and I hated it! He was always so angry and grumpy, and always convinced that everyone had some secret ulterior motive and were trying to use you and him, even if it was clearly not the case. For all his faults, unhardened Alistair is cheerful and sees the best in everyone. Hardened Alistair is always angry or grumpy and just suspects the worst in everyone.  

 

I personally don't think he's happier or more confident if hardened, he's just convinced (by you) that everyone's a self-serving jerk so he should be a self-serving jerk too (even though it goes against his own morals), which he sometimes has to visibly rationalize to himself in front of the Warden.

 

On the other hand...

 

 

I agree. At the end of the game, Alistair is just young and inexperienced and not very confident in himself. I think by Inquisition he's had time to grow some confidence (if unhardened) or mellow out (if hardened), and basically be a better-rounded adult. (Not too much of a push-over like unhardened Alistair, but also not a suspicious grump like "hardened" Alistair.) 

 

I may not agree with you guys about hardening Alistair, but in the long run I don't think it really matters because he grows up and becomes a more confident  and well-rounded adult whether you harden him or not. (Unless he's a wandering drunk, but then Teagan came and got him in DA2, so he's probably on the recovery train.)

 

 

I disagree with some of what you say, but you do bring up some good points for me to mull over, so have a 'like' also.    

I am aware ending slides should be taken with a grain of salt, (and agree) but when every scenario has unhardened Alistair as king and shirking his responsibilities, some credence must be given to it as being just a bit more than rumors.  I will grant you that he may grow into his role if a king and unhardened, but since the importance of his hardening/not hardening is attached to Origins and not the sequels, I'll stick with preparing him for the harsher role (king) by hardening him, leaving unhardened Alistair to be a grey warden.

[Xetykins]

Speaking about the Landsmeet outcomes, a few months ago I introduced DA:O to my boyfriend, and this afternoon he’s finished the Landsmeet part...  I’ve asked for his outcome because I was too curious to know the reaction of someone who hasn’t had time to reconsider his choices. It seems however prior the landsmeet he wanted to marry Anora and Alistair and put them in the throne, he has finished this part hating Loghain for his betrayal and Anora after backstabbing him. On Anora, he says she’s like his father and she would betray anything to keep her power in her own benefit. After defeating Loghain with his male warden, he has allowed Alistair to behead Loghain, has put him as sole king and he thinks Anora should be executed because she’s a threat to Alistair’s ruling. He likes Alistair enough to consider him a better choice than Anora and to sit him in the throne.
 
Funny I had a similar reaction when I did my first playthrough of DA:O some months ago. I promise I haven’t influenced him in any of his choices! I’ve tried to avoid major spoilers to him…. However he knew about my warden being queen….

Your bf is more sensible than mine. He played on my DAO straight from GTA5 while I'm busy with TW3 and the bastard let Anora chop Ali's head!!!!

Time to find another boyfriend.

[sylvanaerie]

Your bf is more sensible than mine. He played on my DAO straight from GTA5 while I'm busy with TW3 and the bastard let Anora chop Ali's head!!!!

Time to find another boyfriend.

 

 

He hijacked your game AND killed Alistair?  And he can still father children why?

[Xetykins]

Yeah luckily he's already got 2 with me.

[Xetykins]

Lol ofc not. Throw 15 yrs over a game? But his credit card will pay for this transgressions !

[Qun00]

I wonder if there is a scenario where Alistair's leadership as king isn't threatened.

Arl Eamon isn't even subtle about how he plans to manipulate and control Alistair once he takes the throne. At the same time, Anora would be more than happy to take over the actual ruling like she did with Caillan.

Your bf is more sensible than mine. He played on my DAO straight from GTA5 while I'm busy with TW3 and the bastard let Anora chop Ali's head!!!!
Time to find another boyfriend.

Well, hello there!




Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Yaroub]

I have never had any problem with AListair until the Landsmeet where he put my Warden in a very difficult position.

Kill Loghain was not an option for my Noble Warden,give the same nightmare to Anora to lose a father humiliated in front of the nobles when it could have been avoided and kill a man whom my warden revered since he was a child was not an option.

Following Riordan advices was pure wisdom, i saved us both and redeemed Loghain without the need of allowing the old god to escape

(complete GW path), by using Kieran.

SO yes either Alistair is king or either he is a drunk who will got better after Loghain's death.

Also, i  call Loghain mate every day of the week the man who saved my Warden without hesitation.

Alistair doesn't seem to be so certain and happy to sacrifice himself (unlike Loghain) if the Warden is not a lover,he is sad,while Loghain is completely ready

 

 

 

Alistair's reaction in the Landsmeet was completely understandable, would've react the same in his place.

Loghain actions were unforgivable for me, he screwed big time, leaving any chance of redemption, i know what a great man he was once and his part in freeing Ferelden(which is my nation of choice), but that doesn't unchain him from what he did in and after Ostagar, he emancipated himself from everything that is just, betraying his king and the soldiers, erupting a civil war for selfish needs, stalking wardens, selling elves(which is cool by me, but still),"Interference in a templar's sacred duties is an offence against the maker" courtesy of grand cleric Elemena,sending crows after HOF, raising Howe in rank and making him second in command, his last speech in the Landsmeet was a load of crap, his excuses pathetic, even the ones most devoted to him ser Cauthrien and his daughter acknowledge what a menace he has become.

 

I realize what he had in head was clear, am the hero of river dane all of you are wrong, step back i'v got this covered, but you see he's delusional madman full of shite, i always had Alistair fight him with Duncan shield on, chopping his head right after, the less the talk the better.

 

Never hardened Alistair, i like his fine spirit all the time, imprison Anora(shame couldn't kill her too).

 

Played origins many times that i'v lost count, but didn't roll a female character so i don't know Alistair's reaction as a lover regarding sacrificing himself, but didn't seem that sad to me when i tried it, not that i have to worry about that, always bang Morrigan so everything's cool.

[Qun00]

Hardened Alistair isn't any less easy going than before.

I recall Anora saying "That's surprisingly wise from you" to which he responds "Yeah, well, don't let that get around. I have a reputation..."

[gottaloveme]

Lol ofc not. Throw 15 yrs over a game? But his credit card will pay for this transgressions !

 

Shopping spree!!

 

I love to see the gush thread busy.

[Xetykins]

 
On a sidenote, it's funny how people love not being the Herald in DAI, but love embracing the Warden role in DAO. To me, they're both the same thing... It's about eschewing mythmaking..

Because the warden is really pityful and almost hopeless throughout the game. She/he does not rise up to become anything until Awakening where she becomes Warden Commander and that's IF she/he does not die first. I'll take that any day than being the Herald of Andraste almost right after prologue complete with your own OP advisors and soldiers.

Not that there's anything wrong with prefering one or the other. Just people with different strokes

[Yaroub]

You can still think all of that...

 

 

And yet let him live. It's not about whether Loghain is right. It's about whether you disagree with Alistair on one thing.

 

"The Wardens are an honor. Not a punishment."

 

And besides personally believing that, I like this because I am literally the only person in the group who can express an opinion like that It makes the Warden unique. You're getting beaten down from every direction on how great it is, but here you can actually make a real decision and tell them to suck it. Everyone else is going on about Duty (Sten), sacrifice and service (Alistair and Wynne), or death in general (Leliana.... until DAI, when she's finally broken and tired of death). Morrigan's theme is survival, so she's a little different too. But you -- you are allowed to have the unique opinion that this is a bad thing. Well, you and Loghain that is. He doesn't like it either. I guess Duncan too, when he was younger... he kept trying to escape the Wardens.

 

 

 

 

Am still thinking that, i don't want him to live, i don't disagree with Alistair, and why the assumption that Alistair is wrong and i should disagree with him, the lad could be sarcastic most of the time but a bright sarcastic one for that matter, i couldn't find it in me to allow Loghain to just walk out of there like "we're good nothing happened hey Loghain you like this maps take em", it didn't feel right.

 

And HOF was unique all the way throw, it's not like that was the only plot decision he made aside from the four main ones.

 

 

He shrouds himself in myth.

 

I suppose myth destroying is where my heart is.

 

 

Myth is good  .

[Xetykins]

Are we absolutely sure they're dead though? Soooo you like Loghain and Hawke. Who did you kill?