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[Xetykins]

Here have some of His Royalicious Adorkiness.
Courtesy of the great Therealmcgee.



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[Qun00]

I see your post there and raise you this:

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[Yaroub]

Let's toss some more.

 

 

 

http://noctuaalba.tu...ge/118108686261

[gottaloveme]

I see your post there and raise you this:

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

I saw the top ones before - oh! someone get me a tissue. I have a hornet in my eye

[gottaloveme]

I made Alistair king today, and after the landsmeet was concluded he asked the Warden to help him during his rule.

The dialogue options I picked gave me -6 disapproval. SIX. But why?

All I said was "And here I thought you'd be speechless" and "You don't need me, Alistair" when his request was made.

Which line was the problem, the second one? I thought it would be understood as "You can do it, bro."

 

I always get caught like that - to us it sounds like one thing but the game means something else. I gave Fenris back to the slavers because of something like that. Used the "take him then" option tninking it meant 'yeah take him and see where that gets you'. No.

[Illegitimus]

I made Alistair king today, and after the landsmeet was concluded he asked the Warden to help him during his rule.

The dialogue options I picked gave me -6 disapproval. SIX. But why?

All I said was "And here I thought you'd be speechless" and "You don't need me, Alistair" when his request was made.

Which line was the problem, the second one? I thought it would be understood as "You can do it, bro."

 

Both of them are problems.  The first suggests he's incapable while the second refuses your help.  

[Yaroub]

I made Alistair king today, and after the landsmeet was concluded he asked the Warden to help him during his rule.

The dialogue options I picked gave me -6 disapproval. SIX. But why?

All I said was "And here I thought you'd be speechless" and "You don't need me, Alistair" when his request was made.

Which line was the problem, the second one? I thought it would be understood as "You can do it, bro."

 

Yeah happened to me to first time, i chose "And here i thought you'de be speechless", but kind of understand it, he really didn't want to be king and was nervous all the time since we reached Arl Eamon estate.

 

"wouldn't have it other way" i think was the option that doesn't give you disapproval from him.

[Aren]

 

 

 

He betrayed Cailan when he agreed to help him in the coming battle (and clearly had no intention of following through; "Yes Cailan, a glorious moment for us all" anyone??), but then retreated and left him and his army to die instead. Haven't you been paying attention? Oh wait, Loghain said "Cailan's death was his own doing," so it must be true! (It's not like he's ever lied before.)

 

You choosing to believe Loghain's obvious lies and self-deceit is not my problem.

 

 

She warned Maric that Loghain would betray him, "each time worse than the last," and Loghain did exactly that. He lied and betrayed Maric in the book, he lied and betrayed Maric's memory (since Logahin believes Maric is dead, along with everyone else--that Maric is actually still alive doesn't matter because Logahin doesn't know that) when he left Maric's son to die in the game.

 

If you want to believe his "I'm innocent because it was everyone else's fault!" lies, go on ahead. I'm not fooled.

 

 

Me too. 

Haven't you being paid attention?

 Cailan was beyond salvation,to try to save him and kill the rest of the army  would have been even more stupid.

what are you saying there with just an extrapolation of a statement?

"Yes Cailan, a glorious moment for us all"

suspicion doesn't equate to betrayal.

He asked to Cailan to remain with him,how many times i have to repeat this?

I don't blame Loghain for Ostagar.

If you chose to see things black and white is not my problem,as i said

Justice>revange   Loghain dies but to kill the old god,this is justice,i also don't play the hypocrite warden who kill Loghain but then spare an Archedemon/Old god the source of the 5th blight.

 

You're conveniently avoiding what i told in the other post i see,when he betray Cailan or Maric?

He betrayed Maric when he warned him about that Orlesian spy?

He betrayed Cailan when he asked to him to remain with him but he refused for glory?

He betrayed Cailan when he decided to not kill thousands of men for him?

I'm not disingenuous and i already know where are Loghain crimes against the law:

1)Lock Anora and proclaimed himiself  from a general to a regent

2)Pay his men with the profit of the slavery trades of the elves

3)Poison Eamon

Everything else is just something to comes from your perspective.

Attack the Warden party is not a crime against the law,is just something personal between you and him(i already said that for Loghain perspective you and an Orlesian spy,a Qunari,a bastard prince are opponents).

As for Flemeth you're using element from a book released after the main game,in which every single accusation of yours about personal betrayal of a person (Maric and Cailan) are completly untrue.

I find that amusing that you cannot provide real and tangible proof of betrayal,which is something that is done on purpose  like Howe vs Bryce,while Loghain situation is completly different.

Do you have any proof that Loghain Killed Cailan on purpose? 

If so i'm waiting.

because for my perspective i saw a general who tried to keep in secure his king,who refused,who waited for a signal beacon that was in late.

These are facts not suspicious

Yep Loghain is not to blame for Ostagar,the GW on the others hand....who have not even use their beautiful power to count the number of Darkspawn into the wilds,who never revealed the importance of their presence to the General

 Do you truly believe that if Loghain would have come to know about the US he would have allowed to the few GW,

the only AD receptacle in Ferelden to stay into the middle of the battlefield?

Of course not.

 

 

In the end

If you want to believe his "I'm innocent because it was everyone else's fault!" lies, go on ahead. I'm not fooled.

 

Of course everyone who give a 2nd chance to Loghain and put duty over revenge is a fool

oh wait a moment,i don't care about Alistair romance the AD is more important.

[Xetykins]

If you are really talking about "duty" then you'd have kept Alistair and not Loghain. When you execute or exile him when he has been with you,( supporting your cause even when you ****** him off to the max), 99% of the time for someone who has done nothing but kill, enslave and power grab ( hail king Loghain)then it's not about duty anymore. Its because you like Loghain more:)

Just saw Qun00's yt vid he msgd me and he's not even remotely repentant about selling the elves.

So no I'm sorry, but I'm going to do my duty with a tried and tested Alistair by my side. At the very least I won't wake up to " Ohhleeezians Ohhhleeezians"! at night

[sylvanaerie]

Loghain, Loghain, Loghain.  Come to the Alistair thread and find Loghain chat everywhere.

 

As to Ostagar, it is Loghain's fault for underestimating the enemy and not adjusting his plan to fit in a contingency for this.  All he does is walk away.  And his fans laud him for this.  Not going to argue if that was right or wrong.  We won't ever really know what would have happened had he charged.  Things happen all the time in battle that turn the tides. Or maybe it would have been a worse slaughter we just don't know.

 

As for Cailan's gloryhounding, that was on Cailan's head. Loghain tried to warn him away from being a big doofus target in the front lines. A king doesn't need to be down there playing at war.

 

And Duncan should have explained just why he knew this was a Blight, so the people in charge would have taken this more seriously.  He wouldn't have to go into gory details just explained that grey wardens can sense darkspawn and he could sense the archdemon as well.  Of course I doubt Loghain would have listened because of his over the top paranoia, but Duncan could have maybe motivated the principles to work harder and accept what was happening instead of happily burying their heads in the sand.

 

But had it gone off perfectly and the archdemon not shown itself at that time, I suspect Cailan and Loghain would have returned to Denerim 'in triumph' at having 'foiled the darkspawn raid'.

 

As far as I am concerned Ostagar was a trifecta of stupid with plenty of blame to go around.  No one man is blameless.  

 

Can we please go back to discussing Alistair in an Alistair thread?  Before the mods decide this discussion has jumped the train tracks.  If you guys want to argue about Loghain there's 100000000 other threads about him to say your peace.

[Qun00]

That's right. Going off-topic is baaaad.

[sylvanaerie]

That's right. Going off-topic is baaaad.

Almost as much as swooping!

[Xetykins]

I would've replied sooner, but the Bioware mods are silly people. I don't remember all of the lines exactly, but he's defiant and won't be made to feel guilty about the Alienage. He sees his other mistakes clearer. And if an elf, he makes fun of you saying that maybe you should insult him in elvish.

Lol you got banned?

[Qun00]

Not getting banned is no easy task around here.

Adapting to these unbelievably strict rules takes some time.

[Vanalia]

Is there a way to keep Alistair in the team, and Loghain alive? (like keeping Alistair in the team and make him King, and send Loghain to the Grey wardens?)

 

I find it pretty hard to always make us kill Loghain in front of his daughter just because Alistair theatens to leave you. They should give another option, like put Loghain in prison, or still make him sacrifice against the Archdemon, but letting us keep Alistair in the team. Like this we don't have to force Alistair to be *** by Morrigan  (if we want him to survive).

[Xetykins]

Is there a way to keep Alistair in the team, and Loghain alive? (like keeping Alistair in the team and make him King, and send Loghain to the Grey wardens?)
 
I find it pretty hard to always make us kill Loghain in front of his daughter just because Alistair theatens to leave you. They should give another option, like put Loghain in prison, or still make him sacrifice against the Archdemon, but letting us keep Alistair in the team. Like this we don't have to force Alistair to be *** by Morrigan  (if we want him to survive).

Nope. The only way to keep Alistair is to kill Loggy. Or make Loggy a gw and make Ali king, but he'll still leave your group.

[Qun00]

What is the combination of choices that lead to Alistair staying a grey warden?

[Vanalia]

Hmmm I guess it's still better to see Alistair marry Anora then see him leave and walk away just like this... to make him marry Anora I need to harden him, right? and the warden can still stay his lover? (there was an option like this I guess)

[Qun00]

Being Alistair's mistress isn't that bad. From what I've seen in his cameo in DA2, the Warden still is the only one he cares about.



7:10

[Vanalia]

I don't understand what where the DA:O choices for the very last part we hear in the video: Alistair doesn't seem happy to come back to see the queen, Loghain lives, so the queen must be Anora. But yet, he says she killed the Archdemon? Anora could do that?

 

I like it when he said that Isabela changed and she answers "didn't we all?" > I guess i's about her new design, so different from the one in DA:O!

 

If I harden Alistair I wouldn't go to see Isabela with him. Look at how he reacts: he doesn't say no to a little adventure with her, and still, he is married and has the warden as a mistress. Bad Alistair 

[Qun00]

When he says the queen killed the Archdemon, it's the Warden.

When he says "should we tell the queen?" he means Anora could be jealous of his relationship with her (mistress).