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[sylvanaerie]

Sparing Loghain ruins the friendship/romance with Alistair.  Period.  Even if you make him marry Anora, he leaves the team permanently and verbally attacks you if you try to speak with him afterward.  I wish there were an option to put Loghain in the tower for later disposition, but there isn't.  Thedas is a pretty dark and bloody world.

 

I personally prefer for his king cameo in DA2 solo ruler Alistair with warden mistress.  He seems so jazzed to have her back from wherever she's been (I assume it has to do with Witch Hunt's events, though it doesn't say specifically).

[Xetykins]

I like him as a warden on both da2 and dai. Things he say are just too schweeet.

[Vanalia]

When he says the queen killed the Archdemon, it's the Warden.

When he says "should we tell the queen?" he means Anora could be jealous of his relationship with her (mistress).

 Yes but when he talks about the warden-queen who killed the Archdemon, he doesn't seem happy at all o_o like he is annoyed or something. How does he call her again? "I suppose I should get back to the old ball and chain" ? "just because she killed an Archdemon doesn't mean she scares me"

 

The warden sounds like a tyran who is annoying him. I didn't feel that he disliked having her as a queen that much at the end of DA:O, he was saying he was lucky to marry the woman he loved, etc...

 

So in fact he likes her as a mistress but not as a wife? -_-" not very romantic, Alistair...

[Vanalia]

(I prefer Cullen but we're not here to start a fangirl war  )

 

 

I'm searching for a video of DA2 cameo of Alistair as a Grey Warden who exiled himself with the Warden.

[Qun00]

Yes but when he talks about the warden-queen who killed the Archdemon, he doesn't seem happy at all o_o like he is annoyed or something. How does he call her again? "I suppose I should get back to the old ball and chain" ? "just because she killed an Archdemon doesn't mean she scares me"
 
The warden sounds like a tyran who is annoying him. I didn't feel that he disliked having her as a queen that much at the end of DA:O, he was saying he was lucky to marry the woman he loved, etc...
 
So in fact he likes her as a mistress but not as a wife? -_-" not very romantic, Alistair...

Don't take that to heart, good ol' Alistair was just joking as usual.

[Vanalia]

I don't know, I thought there was an end where they both exile (but that's just a way of talking, in fact I mean leaving for whatever adventures as Grey wardens)

 

- Qun00: I know, but still, he seems to be more in love with his Warden mistress than with his Warden wife  making things official may not please him. Or maybe he discovered the tyrannic side of the warden.

[Xetykins]

I like Alistair's Grey Warden cameos in DA2 and DAI too. 
 
 
On an unrelated note, I just found this on pinterest today and just had to share! 
 
(Note: I love Cullen too, so I'm not trying to put him down. It's just all in good fun.)
 

These photos sounds about right :-)

[theskymoves]

I don't know, I thought there was an end where they both exile (but that's just a way of talking, in fact I mean leaving for whatever adventures as Grey wardens)

 

 

This is a romanced Warden!Alistair in DA2:

 

IIRC, in addition to the obvious cosmetic mods, I also used some sort of fix for the bugged romance flag import (can't recall exactly what, though... it's been quite a while since I played), else he'd refer to the HoF as an 'old friend' rather than 'the love of my life'.

[gottaloveme]

I like Alistair's Grey Warden cameos in DA2 and DAI too. 

 

 

On an unrelated note, I just found this on pinterest today and just had to share! 

 

(Note: I love Cullen too, so I'm not trying to put him down. It's just all in good fun.)

 

 

I would like this again if I could

 

Vanalia - I agree with Qun00. Alistair is being sort of playful here and Teagan calls him on it. I laughed when I first heard it and besides Alistair knows how to 'handle' her. Ugh - what an expression.

[sylvanaerie]

Yea, it's just Alistair being Alistair.    That said, I do like his comments as regards a mistress better.  That could also have to do with my Surana being my canon HoF.  In his cameo in MotA Teagan {with the right convo prompts} seems to mention the HoF too as if he had a little crush on her.  My Surana flirted shamelessly with him and a snarky Hawke can get a comment about her reminding him 'of someone he used to know' said fondly.

 

What can I say, I think it's the ears...

[Kynare]

I mean, when you think about the way the proposal is handled in DA:O... "Alistair will be king, and I SHALL BE HIS WIFE! 8D" It's like public proposals. What can you say? LOL. I imagine Lady Cousland is quite a handful. And the fact that you can say that even if you didn't romance him is so funny. Maybe they purposely went for that dialogue so that it fit for both scenarios in a way.

[Xetykins]

I mean, when you think about the way the proposal is handled in DA:O... "Alistair will be king, and I SHALL BE HIS WIFE! 8D" It's like public proposals. What can you say? LOL. I imagine Lady Cousland is quite a handful. And the fact that you can say that even if you didn't romance him is so funny. Maybe they purposely went for that dialogue so that it fit for both scenarios in a way.

IIRC the convo you have with him afterwards if you're close friends is sweet.

Anyone has a yt link on marrying Alistair as friends?

[Vanalia]

I didn't know you could marry him even if you didn't romance him. Even if you have a low approval level?

 

Well english is not my native language so what Alistair says about his Warden wife seemed a bit rude to me, maybe I didn't get the joke there.

 

Abd about the Cullen/Alistair drawing: less fangirls of Cullen means less rivals to fight to get him!  (but the Cullen fan topic is doing quite well, you know). But I like both of them, really.

[theskymoves]

I didn't know you could marry him even if you didn't romance him. Even if you have a low approval level?

 

You don't need to romance him to marry him, and he doesn't even need to especially like the Warden, as best I can tell from a look at the conversation in the toolset.

 

Spoiler

Hardened Alistair + Female Human Noble

 

• If he's In Love: 'Automatic persuade success'
• Not in Love, but with 'Medium persuade': Success
• Not in Love, Persuade check not met: Fail

 

Softy!stair + Female Human Noble
 

• If he's In Love: 'Automatic persuade success'
• Alistair's Approval is @ Hostile: 'Automatic persuade fail'
• Not in Love, but with 'High persuade': Success
• Not in Love, Persuade check not met: Fail

 

And any Warden who is not a female HN will (of course) be an automatic persuade fail.

 

The range for Hostile approval is -99 - -26. (I assume Crisis @ -100 falls under the same criteria.)

In Love requires an active romance, approval of +91 - 100, and completion of his personal quest.

 

See here for an explanation of the Persuade/Coercion methodology.

 

/TMI and pedantry

[Vanalia]

How does he justify the fact that he doesn't want to marry the warden because she's not a noble? (when she isn't Cousland)

 

 

Hmm so maybe that's why he doesn't seem so in love in DA2 when he talks about the queen Warden: because it needs to fit as well for the "not in love" situation.

 

But in order to become his mistress I guess you absolutly need to be in a romance with him, so that's why he seems kinder.

[Illegitimus]

 Yes but when he talks about the warden-queen who killed the Archdemon, he doesn't seem happy at all o_o like he is annoyed or something. How does he call her again? "I suppose I should get back to the old ball and chain" ? "just because she killed an Archdemon doesn't mean she scares me"

 

The warden sounds like a tyran who is annoying him. I didn't feel that he disliked having her as a queen that much at the end of DA:O, he was saying he was lucky to marry the woman he loved, etc...

 

So in fact he likes her as a mistress but not as a wife? -_-" not very romantic, Alistair...

 

That's a conversation with a total stranger.  Does Alistair strike you as the kind of person who would gush about how much love he loves his wife to everyone he meets?   Don't confuse his actual sentiments with the products of his compulsive quipping disorder.  

 

 

 

How does he justify the fact that he doesn't want to marry the warden because she's not a noble? (when she isn't Cousland)

 

 

Countless lives depend on him being secure on his throne.  Marry an elf or a mage and he will be overthrown.  The best case scenario would be "Anora gets restored to power and both Alistair and his would-be queen are executed".  

[Qun00]

How does he justify the fact that he doesn't want to marry the warden because she's not a noble? (when she isn't Cousland)


Hmm so maybe that's why he doesn't seem so in love in DA2 when he talks about the queen Warden: because it needs to fit as well for the "not in love" situation.

But in order to become his mistress I guess you absolutly need to be in a romance with him, so that's why he seems kinder.

It's not as simple as not wanting to do it. He can't.

There are rules to such things.

[theskymoves]

How does he justify the fact that he doesn't want to marry the warden because she's not a noble? (when she isn't Cousland)

 

 

 

Any Non-F!HN Warden: Alistair will be king, and I'll rule beside him.

Alistair: I don't think that would work. The Landsmeet barely wants to accept me. They'll never accept a queen who isn't from a noble family.

 

It's not up to him, it's up to the Landsmeet. (Other people making life choices for Alistair... it happens a lot. )

[Kynare]

^ Owch... LOL.

Any Non-F!HN Warden: Alistair will be king, and I'll rule beside him.
Alistair: I don't think that would work. The Landsmeet barely wants to accept me. They'll never accept a queen who isn't from a noble family.

It's not up to him, it's up to the Landsmeet. (Other people making life choices for Alistair... it's a theme. )

That's what makes me sad for Amell, because she WAS part of a noble family... or could have been. Plus, Wynne (as a mage) was even trusted enough for Alistair to make her an advisor to the throne, so it just seems... unfair. To make matters worse, he brings up how she can't have his heir after she just got through with allowing ANOTHER mage (Morrigan) have his child. I couldn't bring myself to make my Amell his mistress after all that. She doesn't need more reminders of what she can't have. ;_;

(I still love Alistair as a character! But talk about tragedy...)

[sylvanaerie]

To be honest, I feel more sorry for Aeducan.

 

The Dwarf Noble Origin is my boyfriend's favorite origin, so I decided to try it out, and it struck me that Lady Aeducan loses everything.

 

She was first or second in line for Orzammar's throne (neck 'n neck with her older brother Trian), but then she was framed for murdering her older brother (by her younger brother, no less!), exiled from her home country, and if in love with Gorim found that the love of her life married some other hussy before he thought her corpse was cold. (Thanks for waiting for me, Gorim. I love you two. Tell me truly, when you left Orzammar did you marry your hussy in the same hour or did you wait a whole week out of respect for the dead?)

 

She can go home to Orzammar during the succession crisis of the century, but she's unable to clear her name or reclaim her crown.

 

(Which I think is silly. If Orzammar can't decide between Bhelen and Harrowmont, there's no reason a dwarf noble shouldn't be able to find some proof that you didn't kill Trian, gain some support from deyshers, and use the Paragon's crown to crown yourself instead of Bhelen or Harrowmont. After all, you were the favorite candidate before your disgrace. If Cousland can just drop this bomb before the Bannorn: "Alistair will be King, and I shall be his queen," Aeducan should be able to say, "I crown myself, as the eldest heir of my father Endrin Aeducan.")

 

Then she has to go to Ferelden to decide between two more candidates for another throne, and if she thought, "Well, I'm of noble blood, and in fact from the royal family of Orzammar, and I'm in love with Alistair. I should be able to marry the King of Ferelden and rule beside him..." she's told once again "No, you can't have this either."

 

WHY?! 

 

There is a way she gets to clear her name.  She pretends to side with Bhelen and does his initial quests.  Then when she does the carta stuff, she goes to speak with Harrowmont's man, arranges  a deal and there will be evidence showing Bhelen's deal with the carta to murder his brother in the chest located in the room where you confront Jarvia.  I am unsure if it requires you find Trian's diary in the palace first or not.  The conversation with Harrowmont is different even with him markedly--and deservedly so--distrusting of the DN.

 

You can't reclaim your throne, that's true, but you get to be a paragon and that's better than a king.  Bhelen will be ultimately forgotten as time passes as a man who tried to murder his way to the throne.  The Aeducan warden will be remembered by her people as a paragon and the hero to stopped the fifth blight.

 

I get why you are unable to marry Alistair.  The Bannorn doesn't want a queen from another race on the throne, even a noble one.

[Vanalia]

Don't get me wrong, I was not wondering "why" the king could not marry a noble (it seems clear that he cannot really choose whoever he wants), I was asking how in the game he was actually refusing her and what was his explanation, what were the words he was saying, did he seem dissapointed or confused, etc... and theskymoves answered to that, thank you

 

@Illegitimus: so for you he seems not to show feelings because he talks to a total stranger? so how do you explain that he seems a lot more happy and doesn't hide it  when he talks about her as his mistress (even if it's supposed to be a secret, if the queen Anora knows about it there could be trouble, so it seems awkward to talk about that openly in front of strangers), or why he says "this belongs to the love of my life" when you meet him as a warden? because Hawke's a total stranger to him as well when he is a warden.

 

My guess is that, as seen above, what he says about the warden-queen should apply to "Alistair married the romanced warden" and "Alistair married the un-romanced warden". It's the same line even if in your previous save he loved her or not, so the sentence had to be quite neutral.

I guess.