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[Yankee23]

Ugh...you guys are making me feel bad with all this not hardening Alistair is cruel talk. I just finished a queen cous cous with and unhardened Alistair. I always harden him when making him king so this time I really only did it for some of the dialogue and the lulz. It was very unfulfilling. Well, at least it's the worst thing my warden will do to him, no Loghain for me.

See he is giving her the "why did you make me king" look as he goes to gve his speech at the landsmeet.

[Merilsell]

Maker this video of Ali unhardened and exiled made me curl up in a corner and whimper incoherently.Especially the lines at the ending "I had these dreams, they don't matter now"

Then it is really less cruel to execute him. In that way, Alistair will never come around again for sure and I can second the opinion that exiling him while unhardened is worse than having him at least let grown a backbone before. Especially when he came to love/trust the Warden and yet gets another kick in the guts, like every single time in his life before when he thought he found something good, a little island of happiness for himself. I think the sentence "I always knew I never deserved to be so happy" says it very clear.

And I should return into my corner.

As for kingship I see it similar to Klarabella. In the end he's really a happy bunny when dodging the bullet and stays as a Warden with my PC's on his side. He might hate her at first for not making him king and might have some regrets, but if he's in a healthy friendship/relationship with the Warden then that is what becomes far more important for him in the end.

Even as king he says the line "Being king is acceptable, as long I have you" So I'm the firm believer that it's always a duty/chore, a thing he can't change for him, but hardened he comes to embrace it and sees something good in it. Something he could use to serve his country, but methinks he also can do the same as a Warden. Just in a different, more independent way, that is not dictated by kingship. He still has a duty then but it's a duty where his life belongs to him and not to others, like it has been the case all his life before. And after a tiny while, I can see him thinking and embrace this way too.

Modifié par Merilsell, 07 septembre 2010 - 01:54 .

[Sarah1281]

Something he could use to serve his country, but he also can do the same as a Warden.

Say Alistair stays a Warden and maybe you even stay with him...what are you going to be doing for the next thirty years? Yes, Awakening has some darkspawn to deal with but after that they mostly retreat underground. What do the Wardens do during peacetime? Recruit others? Play politics? Wander around doing good deeds that aren't actually part of their Warden duties? Organizing a ton of expeditions into the Deep Roads? Search for Morrigan (although that may not even be necessary depending on the DLC)? If they're not killing darkspawn or possibly checking on that OGB then it really doesn't seem all that pressing and necessary.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 07 septembre 2010 - 01:51 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I have my city elf run all planned out as well.

Poor Cyrus is going to change alot, but wont like it,



The Landsmeet is going to be a total Light side/Dark side crisis moment for him. Somewhat along the veins of Jedi Academey 2 for this in the know.



Sadly I think a hardened Alistair who marries Anora is the best for Ferelden.

However I think a hardened Alistair married to the Warden is the best for him.



Interesting stuff so far, but there are at least 4 more runs I need to do before DA2.

[rak72]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I have my city elf run all planned out as well.
Poor Cyrus is going to change alot, but wont like it,

The Landsmeet is going to be a total Light side/Dark side crisis moment for him. Somewhat along the veins of Jedi Academey 2 for this in the know.

Sadly I think a hardened Alistair who marries Anora is the best for Ferelden.
However I think a hardened Alistair married to the Warden is the best for him.

Interesting stuff so far, but there are at least 4 more runs I need to do before DA2.

I don't think necessarily so.  Either way he's not likely to produce an heir, but with the warden I think Fregue's kids can be more redily accepted as the new regime.  There will be less tormoil when that time comes.

[Yankee23]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I have my city elf run all planned out as well.
Poor Cyrus is going to change alot, but wont like it,

The Landsmeet is going to be a total Light side/Dark side crisis moment for him. Somewhat along the veins of Jedi Academey 2 for this in the know.

Sadly I think a hardened Alistair who marries Anora is the best for Ferelden.
However I think a hardened Alistair married to the Warden is the best for him.

Interesting stuff so far, but there are at least 4 more runs I need to do before DA2.

Im my games a hardened Alistair married to the warden is best for both Alistair and Fereldan. My warden is a much better queen than Anora.

[Merilsell]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Something he could use to serve his country, but he also can do the same as a Warden.

Say Alistair stays a Warden and maybe you even stay with him...what are you going to be doing for the next thirty years? Yes, Awakening has some darkspawn to deal with but after that they mostly retreat underground. What do the Wardens do during peacetime? Recruit others? Play politics? Wander around doing good deeds that aren't actually part of their Warden duties? Organizing a ton of expeditions into the Deep Roads? Search for Morrigan (although that may not even be necessary depending on the DLC)? If they're not killing darkspawn or possibly checking on that OGB then it really doesn't seem all that pressing and necessary.

Living a normal life, perhaps? Settle down somewhere nice and cozy? It doesn't have to be "W00t, Imaa hero!!!111! all the time, you know Alistair never had a normal life before and I can picture that he wants exactly that when there is time to breathe. Especially if he has his ladylove still on his side. Also I can imagine that rebuilding the order takes quite a while and touring Thedas can be interesting too. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

[Merilsell]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Sadly I think a hardened Alistair who marries Anora is the best for Ferelden

Like Addai said before friends do not let friends marry Anora. Never. I just did that in my Alonis playthrough and he looked at me like a kicked puppy all the time and after agreeing ended the convo with the words: "Excuse me while I have a little heartattack elsewhere"

That made me feel bad. Independent of it, I'll marry him off this time because I never have done that and it's easier while playing a male Warden. As a Fem!Warden I never could do that.

[inclemency]

You know, in one of the endings, Alistair gets called to Weisshaupt, which I never understood. Why would they want the King of Ferelden (and why would he go, anyway); and not the person who actually slew the archdemon, and lived? That made absolutely no sense to me.


RDT

Modifié par inclemency, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:16 .

[Sarah1281]

Maybe you refuse to go? The Anderfels is thousands of miles away, after all.

[phaonica]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Something he could use to serve his country, but he also can do the same as a Warden.

Say Alistair stays a Warden and maybe you even stay with him...what are you going to be doing for the next thirty years? Yes, Awakening has some darkspawn to deal with but after that they mostly retreat underground. What do the Wardens do during peacetime? Recruit others? Play politics? Wander around doing good deeds that aren't actually part of their Warden duties? Organizing a ton of expeditions into the Deep Roads? Search for Morrigan (although that may not even be necessary depending on the DLC)? If they're not killing darkspawn or possibly checking on that OGB then it really doesn't seem all that pressing and necessary.

Well now that the Wardens have had a Blight to restablish their relevance, I'm sure recruiting and whatnot will pick up. Maybe the'll get more support from the governments that weren't helping them as much any more. The story about Duncan burning down a blighted village occurs at some point before the Blight, so they must spend some time tracking down darkspawn on the surface. And the First Warden does seem to want the Wardens to become more political, so there is that. I gues they'll mostly go back to doing what they've been doing for the last 400 years without a Blight, but it'll have picked up a bit since the Blight was recent.

[Yankee23]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Something he could use to serve his country, but he also can do the same as a Warden.

Say Alistair stays a Warden and maybe you even stay with him...what are you going to be doing for the next thirty years? Yes, Awakening has some darkspawn to deal with but after that they mostly retreat underground. What do the Wardens do during peacetime? Recruit others? Play politics? Wander around doing good deeds that aren't actually part of their Warden duties? Organizing a ton of expeditions into the Deep Roads? Search for Morrigan (although that may not even be necessary depending on the DLC)? If they're not killing darkspawn or possibly checking on that OGB then it really doesn't seem all that pressing and necessary.

Well, they could spend thier time as rulers of Ameranthine.
 
My two cannons are queen cous cous (of course) and an elf mage who puts Anora on the throne. In my mind, Alistair and my elf opt for a slightly quieter life. They don't disappear but they take a step back from the limelight, so to speak. They stay in Fereldan giving assistance/advice when needed but leave the day to day running of the wardens to others. I like to imagine them living at soldiers peak with a few trusted wardens and friends maybe taking in and training young orphans like Alistair and troubled mages who may run the risk of being made tranquil. (My mage feels sorry for Jowan and regrets that she wasn't able to help him avoid his fate as they were growing up.) Thus creating the home and family niether one of them ever had and opening it up to kids in situations like theirs. I'm a sap, I know.

[Merilsell]

Who is that first Warden anyway? The king of all Wardens? o.O And why has he so much power? Who granted him that?

[tuppence95]

tuppence95 wrote...

inclemency wrote...

I have so many things I want to do in the current (three) games I'm simultaneously playing. Get my male warden through awakening for the new DLC; take Loghein through Return to Ostagar; let Alistair and my PC get captured by Cauthrian so Sten and Dog can come to the rescue... Work, work, work, I dont' know how I'll get all this done by tomorrow! lol Oh, and I still don't know how my CE's story will end.

Derp day
*snip*

You've been busy!

There's no way I'm going to finish my HNM by tomorrow.  I ended up going to a party at my brother's place yesterday and then getting caught up in the exciting discussion here, so I got no playing done.  I'm painting today, but maybe I can get a little playing in.  I guess I'll take my Queen Cousland through WH tomorrow.

On the subject of Alistair, I had the craziest dream last night!  This is the first DA dream that I've had.  I was at the camp site, and Alistair was wearing his thong and horned helmet and dancing by the fire like a Chippendale's dancer.


Oh, no!  ToP.

How odd.  This picture was apparently reported for inappropriate content?  It was a cropped picture of Alistair wearing a thong and his horned helmet.

[Yankee23]

tuppence95 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

inclemency wrote...

I have so many things I want to do in the current (three) games I'm simultaneously playing. Get my male warden through awakening for the new DLC; take Loghein through Return to Ostagar; let Alistair and my PC get captured by Cauthrian so Sten and Dog can come to the rescue... Work, work, work, I dont' know how I'll get all this done by tomorrow! lol Oh, and I still don't know how my CE's story will end.

Derp day
*snip*

You've been busy!

There's no way I'm going to finish my HNM by tomorrow.  I ended up going to a party at my brother's place yesterday and then getting caught up in the exciting discussion here, so I got no playing done.  I'm painting today, but maybe I can get a little playing in.  I guess I'll take my Queen Cousland through WH tomorrow.

On the subject of Alistair, I had the craziest dream last night!  This is the first DA dream that I've had.  I was at the camp site, and Alistair was wearing his thong and horned helmet and dancing by the fire like a Chippendale's dancer.


Oh, no!  ToP.

How odd.  This picture was apparently reported for inappropriate content?  It was a cropped picture of Alistair wearing a thong and his horned helmet.

Here or on photobucket? That was by no means close to the worst that is posted around here. And all my pics in photobucket are unedited until posted. Weird.

[tuppence95]

Yankee23 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

inclemency wrote...

I have so many things I want to do in the current (three) games I'm simultaneously playing. Get my male warden through awakening for the new DLC; take Loghein through Return to Ostagar; let Alistair and my PC get captured by Cauthrian so Sten and Dog can come to the rescue... Work, work, work, I dont' know how I'll get all this done by tomorrow! lol Oh, and I still don't know how my CE's story will end.

Derp day
*snip*

You've been busy!

There's no way I'm going to finish my HNM by tomorrow.  I ended up going to a party at my brother's place yesterday and then getting caught up in the exciting discussion here, so I got no playing done.  I'm painting today, but maybe I can get a little playing in.  I guess I'll take my Queen Cousland through WH tomorrow.

On the subject of Alistair, I had the craziest dream last night!  This is the first DA dream that I've had.  I was at the camp site, and Alistair was wearing his thong and horned helmet and dancing by the fire like a Chippendale's dancer.


Oh, no!  ToP.

How odd.  This picture was apparently reported for inappropriate content?  It was a cropped picture of Alistair wearing a thong and his horned helmet.

Here or on photobucket? That was by no means close to the worst that is posted around here. And all my pics in photobucket are unedited until posted. Weird.

It was on Photobucket.  Before I deleted it, the image was replaced with a sign that said it violated their terms of use.  But the uncropped picture is still there.

[inclemency]

tuppence95 wrote...

How odd.  This picture was apparently reported for inappropriate content?  It was a cropped picture of Alistair wearing a thong and his horned helmet.

Hmm, guess I'll be adding all my new screens to a locked album.  That is bizarre, tuppence, you nasty girl, you 

[tuppence95]

 Very strange.  It was definitely not a nude shot.

It was a cropped version of this one. I wonder if this will get pulled now too?

[inclemency]

Yah, very strange....I still have this one on mine:

[nos_astra]

Merilsell wrote...

Who is that first Warden anyway? The king of all Wardens? o.O And why has he so much power? Who granted him that?

The Wardens basically rule over the Anderfels. And the First Warden is their leader.

For my purposes I invented the Council of the Grey today. *snorts*  Reminds me of Babylon 5, the Minbari government was "Der Rat der Grauen" in the German version.

Modifié par klarabella, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:42 .

[Merilsell]

Oh okay, figured. I guess this still wouldn't stop my PC to give him the finger, heh.

[nos_astra]

Merilsell wrote...
"W00t, Imaa hero!!!111!

What was THAT? LMAA hero?

[Merilsell]

Actually it was meant to mean "Yay, I'm a hero" in deliberate Internet-gibberish  Guess it didn't work so well 



Edited for more Ali <3

Modifié par Merilsell, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Something he could use to serve his country, but he also can do the same as a Warden.

Say Alistair stays a Warden and maybe you even stay with him...what are you going to be doing for the next thirty years? Yes, Awakening has some darkspawn to deal with but after that they mostly retreat underground. What do the Wardens do during peacetime? Recruit others? Play politics? Wander around doing good deeds that aren't actually part of their Warden duties? Organizing a ton of expeditions into the Deep Roads? Search for Morrigan (although that may not even be necessary depending on the DLC)? If they're not killing darkspawn or possibly checking on that OGB then it really doesn't seem all that pressing and necessary.

There is a lot of recruiting and training to be done, since all of Ferelden's Wardens were obliterated.  So I imagine you could do that for as long as you wanted.  You could help the dwarves reclaim their lost thaigs, since that is darkspawn fighting, too.

If you took Gwaren as a boon, you could settle into a genteel sort of life.  Or you could travel, in official Warden capacity or not.  If you're a mage you pretty much have to either stay in the Wardens or take your chances as an apostate.  Not sure the Chantry could touch the Hero of Ferelden, but they'd probably try if you were too brazen about bucking their rules.  If you were under the radar, you'd probably be ok.  You could take a more scholarly approach to Wardening, too, either in Ferelden (Anora mentions wanting to study the darkspawn) or at Weisshaupt.

I like Alistair as king, so this isn't my favorite ending even though it's what Idun took.

Modifié par Addai67, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[Gilsa]

I missed the wonderful exile debate a couple pages back, but I saw that Yuki was looking for motivations for it. I'll share my Alistair exile perspective, which is also my canon game and based on my first DAO playthrough.

Like everyone else on their first game, I didn't know about the hardening mechanic and he spoke about his strong desire not to be king so I had already made arrangements with Anora to make her queen. I was thrown for a loop when events unfolded at Landsmeet. Riordian interrupted with the proposal to make Loghain a Grey Warden. I knew there was more that he wasn't revealing and held off, thinking that Loghain could be dealt with at a later time. I asked myself what Duncan would have done and I was pretty sure he would have conscripted Loghain because the Blight was the greater and more immediate threat. And then Alistair turned to me with his rage and by the time it was made clear that it was either him or Loghain, the dialogue was at the point-of-no-return. I could NOT change my mind and kill Loghain and still crown Anora just to placate him. It was either let Alistair be king or pick Anora. I honestly thought that if I killed Loghain, I would lose the loyalty of his troops and Anora would turn on me for killing her father. Each of the three treaties had a leader telling them what to do -- the Dalish were marching on the orders of their elder, the dwarves were coming because their king sent them, and Eamon was the head of his Redcliffe army. As for Ferelden's army, Loghain was their leader. I told Alistair that I couldn't make him king because it was going down for the wrong reasons and I wanted to talk to him (the same way that you get a talk with him if you kill Conor or Isolde), but he turned and left while I'm madly clicking on the "don't go" line. Anora wanted to execute him, which enraged me because I just did her a massive favor with the throne and I said, hell, no, you owe me a boon.

So after all that, I didn't gain an army like I thought I would. I gained one man and lost another. I had hoped Alistair would come back, but that didn't happen. It was just a horrible playthrough. Morrigan proposed her dark ritual and tried to persuade me by claiming that Loghain would get glory and I could see that she was playing me. I felt that she was just a snake waiting to strike, especially since she refused to be forthcoming about her reasons for wanting the child so I told her to sod off.

I don't feel that I betrayed Alistair, but I certainly understand why the actions come across that way and why Alistair would percieve it to be such. I ended the game feeling that my warden would search for drunk Alistair to make amends and to try to recruit him back into the Grey Wardens again. Loghain got his second chance at Landsmeet and Alistair definitely deserved his. I'm pleased to see that drunk Alistair may show up in DA2. Sorry that my warden potentially won't be able to resolve things, but hoping that his story continues and that there's a chance for things to get better for him.

It's easy to metagame and know that he's going to leave and attribute "betrayal" all over the scenario. It just played out differently for me, that's all.