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[Vlada47]

Very sorry if someone's already said this, but I am sadly not dedicated enough to read over one thousand pages to avoid annoying people.

 

Is there anyone here better-versed in genetics than I am? I know a bit -- just enough to be dangerous. Alistair and Cailan are half-brothers, related through their father. Cailan has grey or green eyes (I can't really tell, the lighting changes it), which are both recessive. I'm fairly certain (around 90%) that his mother, Rowan, was said to have had grey eyes in The Stolen Throne. Maric, on the other hand, I want to say had blue eyes? I'm far less certain about this. Alistair has brown eyes. Fiona has blue eyes (blue? green? ugh lighting in these games!), which are, again, recessive. Now, I could be wrong but I thought blue + blue/green couldn't make brown.

 

Again, sorry if this was already mentioned. And I also apologize for my cursory knowledge of genetics (human genetics, that is. I'm much better with horse coats). It fascinates me as a subject and I'd love to know more.

And that's the part, when everything gets weird... 

 

You can think of it as Alistair has brown eyes from one his ancestors (it could skip a generation or two) or... just developers slapping some eye color on him, because they think it looked better. 

[Toxicity]

Goldanna was a bitter shrew. The idea of them being related was baseless. She doesn't take the chance to know anything about him before trying to manipulate him into giving her money, and even if you do give her money she kicks the Warden and Alistair out. Her life may have been bad, but she can't put the blame on a man she just met. It isn't like Alistair's life was a walk in the park. Being disowned by his father and lied to about his mother's fate. Only to be handed over to Arl Eamon who then sent to the Chantry where he was unhappy, because the Arlessa grew suspicious and jealous. 

 

edit: actually.. that does sound a lot better than Goldanna had it, but it matters not! She was still horrible. 

[sylvanaerie]

Goldanna was a bitter shrew. The idea of them being related was baseless. She doesn't take the chance to know anything about him before trying to manipulate him into giving her money, and even if you do give her money she kicks the Warden and Alistair out. Her life may have been bad, but she can't put the blame on a man she just met. It isn't like Alistair's life was a walk in the park. Being disowned by his father and lied to about his mother's fate. Only to be handed over to Arl Eamon who then sent to the Chantry where he was unhappy, because the Arlessa grew suspicious and jealous. 

 

edit: actually.. that does sound a lot better than Goldanna had it, but it matters not! She was still horrible. 

 

I once read a decent fanfic about Goldanna that helped me understand her better.  Imagine you were someone who's mother died when you were too young to take care of yourself.  You're given 'hush money' for whatever reason (you are told it's because she gave birth to a child of the king--who killed her).  The one person in your world who loved you and you could count on was dead.

 

Eamon never saw to her care, she was turned out into the streets to fend for herself.  His first duty to his peasants would have been to take care of the widows and orphans but she was abandoned.  The only skill she had was washing clothes, a sorry thankless job with long hours.  She probably turned a few extra coins with 'washing perks' which kept food in her mouth and a sorry shack over her head and gave her a half dozen extra mouths to feed.

 

Now the child who killed her mother comes into her sorry home.  He's not only a prince, but grew up in Eamon's castle, a grey warden and he's well off from the look of him.  Clean, healthy, fine armor and weapons in his possession.  Definitely with more money than she's probably seen her entire life.  She doesn't want to hear about how he had it 'so bad' with not only a roof over his head, food in his mouth, clothes on his back but an education that ensured he wouldn't have to do grunt work all his life to feed himself and his family.  Or worry about where his next meal was coming from.

 

As bad as we know the particulars were for Alistair, he could have had it much worse were he not the son of a king.  And from Goldanna's perspective, he had it pretty damn good.

 

The only time she loosens up on her "I hate you" tirade is if you are a male warden.  You depart her home, not on a high note but a promising one between her and Alistair because you can actually get her to listen to him.

 

Yes, she's a shrew and I dislike her, but I also feel very, very sorry for her.  And in light of the recent retcon on Alistair's birth this is even more so because it was so unnecessary to do all that to a child.

[theskymoves]

Very sorry if someone's already said this, but I am sadly not dedicated enough to read over one thousand pages to avoid annoying people.

 

Is there anyone here better-versed in genetics than I am? I know a bit -- just enough to be dangerous. Alistair and Cailan are half-brothers, related through their father. Cailan has grey or green eyes (I can't really tell, the lighting changes it), which are both recessive. I'm fairly certain (around 90%) that his mother, Rowan, was said to have had grey eyes in The Stolen Throne. Maric, on the other hand, I want to say had blue eyes? I'm far less certain about this. Alistair has brown eyes. Fiona has blue eyes (blue? green? ugh lighting in these games!), which are, again, recessive. Now, I could be wrong but I thought blue + blue/green couldn't make brown.

 

Again, sorry if this was already mentioned. And I also apologize for my cursory knowledge of genetics (human genetics, that is. I'm much better with horse coats). It fascinates me as a subject and I'd love to know more.

 

Game!Fiona does have light eyes... blue or grey. Book!Fiona, on the other hand, is described over and over as having 'brown' and 'dark' eyes.

 

Not genetics so much as the DAI crew not paying attention to details that had been established in prior materials... it happened a lot. Heck, they even forgot the name of Teagan, Rowan, and Eamon's father and changed it to 'Connor'. :-/

[sylvanaerie]

Game!Fiona does have light eyes... blue or grey. Book!Fiona, on the other hand, is described over and over as having 'brown' and 'dark' eyes.

 

Not genetics so much as the DAI crew not paying attention to details that had been established in prior materials... it happened a lot. Heck, they even forgot the name of Teagan, Rowan, and Eamon's father and changed it to 'Connor'. :-/

The Continuity gods were asleep that day.

[Vanalia]

Alistair's eyes in the game are brown because when they made the game, Alistair's mother was really supposed to be a servant in the castle (with brown eyes I guess), and they changed their mind afterwards when David Gaider wrote the book and decided that Alistair's mother was in fact someone else.

 

I'm pretty sure that when the game was made, Fiona was not even created in their mind. That's why it sounds more like a retcon to me than anything.

[Illegitimus]

Alistair's eyes in the game are brown because when they made the game, Alistair's mother was really supposed to be a servant in the castle (with brown eyes I guess), and they changed their mind afterwards when David Gaider wrote the book and decided that Alistair's mother was in fact someone else.

 

I'm pretty sure that when the game was made, Fiona was not even created in their mind. That's why it sounds more like a retcon to me than anything.

 

No, that's not why Alistair's eyes are brown because the question isn't "Why are Alistair's eyes brown".  Alistair came first.   The question is "Why aren't Fiona's eyes dark?" 

[Xetykins]

Gosh maybe its hereditary? My bf's parents got blue eyes yet one of his brothers got brown eyes even if the brothers look almost exactly the same, except for the tummy area

[sylvanaerie]

I got blue eyes from my green eyed and brown eyed parents.  My grandmother had blue eyes.  My oldest child has blue (husband's is hazel) my youngest has hazel eyes.

Genetics is weird.  Fiona's eyes were supposed to be brown (dark) in the book but weren't in Inquisition.

[Xetykins]

I'm pretty sure that when the game was made, Fiona was not even created in their mind. That's why it sounds more like a retcon to me than anything.

I don't know what the problem is though. I mean, I played.the game and read the books, but I kind of got major feels straight away that Alistair was Fiona's son. Major hints was the kinds of gifts that he likes because Maric was deffo not a mage and mages don't go around cleaning some nobleman's home, so the servant was deffo not his mum. Gifts in DAO are pretty much a reflection of who they are.

[gottaloveme]

My parents, maternal grandparents and both brothers have jet black hair. I have red. We all have brown eyes but for one brother which are blue grey. Go figure. Alistair in the mod I use can have grey or brown.

[Qun00]

You know, it kinda bothers me how Inquisition portrays Alistair sometimes.

There is this war table mission where he asks for help in smoothing out his meeting with Celene. The text for its conclusion says that Alistair struggles with it because he sucks at diplomacy/politics and things only don't go sour thanks to the Inquisition's interference.

Am I to believe that he hasn't developed as a ruler at all after TEN YEARS?

[Vanalia]

I never sided with the mages and never met Fiona in DA:I, I just saw some videos on youtube. But I didn't feel like she was her mother, it felt...wrong, I don't know. Fake. I'm so used to that idea that she was a servant and everything, and now they changed it... "no in fact she is an elf, she doesn't look like him AT ALL, she's alive, she's a mage, tadam!"

 

Next time they'll tell us that Zevran has Qunari parents, or that Leliana is an elf who cut her ears, or that Morrigan's mother is not Flemeth but a dwarf from Ozrammar. Duncan is in fact alive and faked his death, Alistair's father is in fact Loghain (haha), Sten had horns but he lost them in a battle.

[Marika Haliwell]

I never sided with the mages and never met Fiona in DA:I, I just saw some videos on youtube. But I didn't feel like she was her mother, it felt...wrong, I don't know. Fake. I'm so used to that idea that she was a servant and everything, and now they changed it... "no in fact she is an elf, she doesn't look like him AT ALL, she's alive, she's a mage, tadam!"

 

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You have a point :XD Imagine that Ali after all the struggle finalyl has his heir to the throne .. only that said heri at age of six shows signs of magic ! now THAT would freak out people lol Theirin bloodline has no magic , so Anora or the Hof would be pointed out as sleeping in wrong beds XD with a mage too. Especially no one left except of Fiona to tell people that she was his mother. And then again another problem would rise. Ali is half elven  

[Xetykins]

I never sided with the mages and never met Fiona in DA:I, I just saw some videos on youtube. But I didn't feel like she was her mother, it felt...wrong, I don't know. Fake. I'm so used to that idea that she was a servant and everything, and now they changed it... "no in fact she is an elf, she doesn't look like him AT ALL, she's alive, she's a mage, tadam!"

Next time they'll tell us that Zevran has Qunari parents, or that Leliana is an elf who cut her ears, or that Morrigan's mother is not Flemeth but a dwarf from Ozrammar. Duncan is in fact alive and faked his death, Alistair's father is in fact Loghain (haha), Sten had horns but he lost them in a battle.

Lol Alistair and Fiona met. But our dear Ali booted her arse before she could say a word. So no catching up with mother dear.

Anyway, Maric is everything else BUT a panty chaser. He has only been with 3 women ; Katriel the spy elf before he got married to Rowan( no kids), Rowan his wife who had Cailan and last is Fiona 2 years after Rowan died. Fiona was the only one who carried Maric's bastard child. The books certainly did not give any hints that there are other bastards out there.

Hope that helps.

[Vanalia]

"Alistair... I AM YOUR MOTHER."

 

(Well in my world they never met because they don't if you side with Templars)

[Xetykins]

"Alistair... I AM YOUR MOTHER."

(Well in my world they never met because they don't if you side with Templars)

Naah. Fiona also wont make herself known to Alistair even if he become a warden. And she's literally like just a building away. That beeaatch.

[Vanalia]

That's funny how she also could be cured from what made her a Grey warden. So convenient to make babies she would abandon afterwards.

[Qun00]

People need to understand that Fiona made a sacrifice in remaining unknown to Alistair.

It was for his sake alone.

[Vanalia]

I wonder. Because I think he would be happier being a warden and knowing his mother even if she is an elf (if she loves him), having some family left, and not being king, than marrying Anora, being king and have all these responsabilities he doesn't even want.

[Xetykins]

Well, Fiona did not know that Eamon and specially that pig Isolde will treat Alistair that way. Also a Warden's life is far from happy and safe. Fiona's intentions is exactly that, for Alistair to be happy and safe living as a common man. Away from the prejudices of being born to an elf and a mage and an Orlesian.

You know what's going to happen to the children born from mages right? He still will not know her. He'll be taken away at birth. If not, then he'll probably be taken away to Weissupt and subjected to multiple horrendous experiments with Fiona too, trying to find out how she managed to have him as a warden.

Then the crap will hit the fan not only for the mother and son, but for Maric too.

[sylvanaerie]

Well, Fiona did not know that Eamon and specially that pig Isolde will treat Alistair that way. Also a Warden's life is far from happy and safe. Fiona's intentions is exactly that, for Alistair to be happy and safe living as a common man. Away from the prejudices of being born to an elf and a mage and an Orlesian.

You know what's going to happen to the children born from mages right? He still will not know her. He'll be taken away at birth. If not, then he'll probably be taken away to Weissupt and subjected to multiple horrendous experiments with Fiona too, trying to find out how she managed to have him as a warden.

Then the crap will hit the fan not only for the mother and son, but for Maric too.

This.

 

While I dislike Fiona for essentially abandoning her son, she did the best for him that she could.  Her experiences in "The Calling" left her no longer a warden.  But she was still a mage, and an elf, and there was no 'rejoining' for her.  The taint just didn't stick.  She had no choice but to return to the Circle or become a hunted apostate.  She couldn't take Alistair with her.

 

Of course, if he is a warden during DA:I, even then, she's still too afraid to make herself known.  By that point she probably has learned some of the particulars of his life and fears that telling him she's his mother will only cause him more pain.  "Better he mourns the person he thought was his mom, than learn she's been alive all this time and didn't make herself known".

 

Probably fear.  Fear seems to be a very prime motivator for Fiona.

[Vanalia]

Yes I thought that now he is an adult, she could tell him.

 

But yes, maybe he would blame her for abandonning him, we know that Alistair is not very good at thinking or trying to see the larger picture sometimes.

But after 10 years you can think he became a bit more mature.

[Xetykins]

Yes I thought that now he is an adult, she could tell him.

But yes, maybe he would blame her for abandonning him, we know that Alistair is not very good at thinking or trying to see the larger picture sometimes.
But after 10 years you can think he became a bit more mature.

That's totally up to Fiona's writer how she can open that pandora's box to Alistair. But since David Gaider is not a part of DA anymore, I guess he will never know.

I think you've under estimated Alistair of how a big of a picture he can see though. You totally fell for his "idiot" cover up. Even if you play an extremely evil warden he will stick with you and try to see it through the end.

AND... he totally knows where babies come from !!!!

And if you are refering to Loggy about not seeing a bigger picture. Well I guess him and my HoF are of the same 5 yr old mentality, because I also refuse to let Loggy live in any of my DA universe. I just... won't..

[sylvanaerie]

Yes I thought that now he is an adult, she could tell him.

 

But yes, maybe he would blame her for abandonning him, we know that Alistair is not very good at thinking or trying to see the larger picture sometimes.

But after 10 years you can think he became a bit more mature.

Well, it's easy to distance yourself when you have no feelings in the matter entirely.  This is a man with abandonment issues.  But maybe as an adult he would be more accepting of her.  I was referring to Fiona's fear she would be rejected, not Alistair's actual reaction, which may or may not mean he would receive the news well.  

 

10 years is a long time and he has had a chance to grow up some.  He is very young in Origins and approaching middle years in Inquisition.  He may be happy to have a living member of his family, one who actually loves him instead of Goldanna.  We don't know how she reacted after the Blight or even if she survived Denerim being all overrun.  

 

We won't ever know because their writer is now gone from the franchise.