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Costin_Razvan

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I wonder how many people will actually get Alistair exiled now just to meet him in Dragon Age 2. For me, this just gave me a solid reason to not import any other warden save my DN to DA 2.

 It's easy to metagame and know that he's going to leave and attribute "betrayal" all over the scenario. It just played out differently for me, that's all. ;)


I know how you feel...went for me in the same in my first game.

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klarabella wrote...

Maybe calling it playthrough is a bit much considering that the character is only level 3. It's a playthrough that exists in my head and as a written outline only. I never got around to actually play her (but I will, it's the savegame I would want to import into DA2).

It is my canon because her character is the most interesting. She embraces being a Warden by the time of the Landsmeet but she's also very tired. All the responsibility is wearing her down, so when Riordan makes a suggestion she simply agrees. Good thing Alistair is trying to grab the throne because she never considered this to be an option. A Grey Warden has no name and no title. Period. The Landsmeet kind of gets out of hand.
Her relationship with Alistair is interesting, they do have one, however, she is unable to commit herself fully, so it's rather a dance around each other, on and off. He loves her and sometimes wonders why, she doesn't even know if she loves him (probably not, or maybe she does?).
I wanted them to clash, so she annulled the Circle and made Isolde kill Connor.

It's hard to balance her. I want her to be human, still likeable but flawed. She's not arbitrarily violent or lacks compassion, but she's pragmatic enough to accept that she's going to leave death and destruction in her wake, sometimes consciously, sometimes accidentally.

She's certainly not me. It's very interesting to have a Warden you like but don't always agree with. And Alistair, my favourite character, who needs to grow up.


Thanks for the explanation, I was just curious how that story would play out. And on the last part, I totally agree. I've played one dastardly character who is the complete opposite of me but I really loved to play as her. It was fun even if I wanted to strangle her for some of the things she did. :P

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Interesting discussion.  I also agree that a hardened Alistair will be better able to recover and eventually find a life for himself.  With an unhardened Alistair, I'm torn about what is better for him ... the life he faces or execution.  I couldn't bring myself to do that playthrough.  I've done the spare Loghain thing twice (once sacrificed to the AD and once allowed to live because my HNM did the DR) just because I think he's a fascinating character, and I was very moved by some of his dialog about his regrets and his realization how he was at fault.  He is such a tragic and pathetic character who came so close to completely destroying what he thought he was protecting.  But now that my curiosity is satisfied, I'll never spare him again.  And I'll never put Alistair through that wandering drunk epilogue again.  :(


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Supposedly Alistair is in DA2 whether king, Warden or whatever, so I'm not going to change one of my endings to see him there as a drunk, especially because I don't expect any of these to be more than a cameo. That's what YouTube is for.

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Addai67 wrote...

Supposedly Alistair is in DA2 whether king, Warden or whatever, so I'm not going to change one of my endings to see him there as a drunk, especially because I don't expect any of these to be more than a cameo. That's what YouTube is for.


Meh, I would hope for that....as we might see others ( Loghain, Zevran, Sten )....but I ain't going to get my hopes up.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

I wonder how many people will actually get Alistair exiled now just to meet him in Dragon Age 2.

Naah, not really. I might corrupt a pre Landsmeet save and play the scenario through to save it afterwards and try it in DA2 (with one of my not so important Warden) just for the lulz. But that never was canon for me and never will be, so I don't take it too seriously. It's just to sate my curiousity.

I never could do that to Alistair for real. Period. 

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Gilsa wrote...
I don't feel that I betrayed Alistair, but I certainly understand why the actions come across that way and why Alistair would percieve it to be such. I ended the game feeling that my warden would search for drunk Alistair to make amends and to try to recruit him back into the Grey Wardens again. Loghain got his second chance at Landsmeet and Alistair definitely deserved his. I'm pleased to see that drunk Alistair may show up in DA2. Sorry that my warden potentially won't be able to resolve things, but hoping that his story continues and that there's a chance for things to get better for him.

It's easy to metagame and know that he's going to leave and attribute "betrayal" all over the scenario. It just played out differently for me, that's all. ;)

I'm glad you posted this. I love to see the other side. :)

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Klarabella, I love the Gaider quote in your signature!  :lol:

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klarabella wrote...

Gilsa wrote...
I don't feel that I betrayed Alistair, but I certainly understand why the actions come across that way and why Alistair would percieve it to be such. I ended the game feeling that my warden would search for drunk Alistair to make amends and to try to recruit him back into the Grey Wardens again. Loghain got his second chance at Landsmeet and Alistair definitely deserved his. I'm pleased to see that drunk Alistair may show up in DA2. Sorry that my warden potentially won't be able to resolve things, but hoping that his story continues and that there's a chance for things to get better for him.

It's easy to metagame and know that he's going to leave and attribute "betrayal" all over the scenario. It just played out differently for me, that's all. ;)

I'm glad you posted this. I love to see the other side. :)

You don't have to metagame to anticipate Alistair's reaction. He tells you all through the game how he feels about Loghain. Of course, a PC doesn't have to be able to pick up on that. It's not a matter of metagaming, though.

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I thin k the meta-gaming reference is more for Alistair leaving and never coming back. I don't think anyone truly expects him not to be at least a little bit angry about sparing Loghain.

I really, really, really wish there had been a way to really talk to Alistair before the Landsmeet, both about making him king (ie, telling him you're going to make him king and then maybe explaining why and reassuring him) and about what you plan to do to Loghain. Would of been helpful, me thinks.

Edit:  Back to work with me!

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Just asking but, where does Alistair tell Flemeth that he was raised by Eamon? I've heard him mention Eamon and that he knows him, but never that he was raised by him.



... maybe I picked the wrong dialog choices or something...

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I need some help, I want to re-play my cannons from the xbox on the pc and I want to give them names this time, other than the default. What do you think for my Surana - Elari, Elined or Evaleen? I think I may be leaning towards Elined.

Here a shot of Alistair with her morph for topic.
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Looks like an excellent choice for her, Yankee :)   Lol, renaming was something I only realized you could do about a month or so ago.  I have a whole slew of 'Elissas' and 'Solonas', fortunately I now re-name.

My current mage, now AW, is named 'Jules', which fits her to a 'T'.

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inclemency wrote...

Looks like an excellent choice for her, Yankee :)   Lol, renaming was something I only realized you could do about a month or so ago.  I have a whole slew of 'Elissas' and 'Solonas', fortunately I now re-name.

My current mage, now AW, is named 'Jules', which fits her to a 'T'.




Lol, I'm the same way - too many Elissas and Nerias. I normally go with the default unless I hate them but no other game I have played has had such deep characters - including the "player" character. They need names.Posted Image

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Yankee23 wrote...

I need some help, I want to re-play my cannons from the xbox on the pc and I want to give them names this time, other than the default. What do you think for my Surana - Elari, Elined or Evaleen? I think I may be leaning towards Elined.

Here a shot of Alistair with her morph for topic.
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I like either Elined or Elari. 

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Just asking but, where does Alistair tell Flemeth that he was raised by Eamon? I've heard him mention Eamon and that he knows him, but never that he was raised by him.

... maybe I picked the wrong dialog choices or something...


I've checked the Toolset and found that he never actually mentions being raised by Eamon to Flemeth. It's an inconsistency?

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I dont' really have that many good shots of my PCs. This one is CE, named Kharis, who is also in the RDT screen. I was playing three characters, finished awakening with my HNM, now it's just two characters.



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TheGrumpyOne wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Just asking but, where does Alistair tell Flemeth that he was raised by Eamon? I've heard him mention Eamon and that he knows him, but never that he was raised by him.

... maybe I picked the wrong dialog choices or something...


I've checked the Toolset and found that he never actually mentions being raised by Eamon to Flemeth. It's an inconsistency?


I'm pretty sure the "raised by Eamon" dialog is only said directly to the warden and not while Flemeth is around ... unless that conversation can be triggered in her area.  But it's definitely not said to her.

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inclemency wrote...

I dont' really have that many good shots of my PCs. This one is CE, named Kharis, who is also in the RDT screen. I was playing three characters, finished awakening with my HNM, now it's just two characters.

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Love her armor...where did that come from?

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tuppence95 wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Just asking but, where does Alistair tell Flemeth that he was raised by Eamon? I've heard him mention Eamon and that he knows him, but never that he was raised by him.

... maybe I picked the wrong dialog choices or something...


I've checked the Toolset and found that he never actually mentions being raised by Eamon to Flemeth. It's an inconsistency?


I'm pretty sure the "raised by Eamon" dialog is only said directly to the warden and not while Flemeth is around ... unless that conversation can be triggered in her area.  But it's definitely not said to her.



Also, Morrigan somehow knows that Fergus is the HN's brother, and Alistair knew that Cailan told the HN he was scouting in the Wilds...

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Lady Jess wrote...

inclemency wrote...

I dont' really have that many good shots of my PCs. This one is CE, named Kharis, who is also in the RDT screen. I was playing three characters, finished awakening with my HNM, now it's just two characters.

*snip*

*snip*

Love her armor...where did that come from?


Love her armor...where did that come from?


That's the Underworld armour, nice for rogues. It looks good on Alistair, too.

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inclemency wrote...

I dont' really have that many good shots of my PCs. This one is CE, named Kharis, who is also in the RDT screen. I was playing three characters, finished awakening with my HNM, now it's just two characters.
*snip*


Only two characters?  I'm playing too many!  

I'm still trying to get my HNM + Morrigan/Anora through Awakening.
My Blood Mage male + Zev just has Orzammar left to do before Landsmeet
The next 3 are still in Ostagar or Lothering:
CEF + Alistair
DCF + Alistair
DNF + maybe Leliana

And I guess I'll be using Queen Cousland for WH.

I think that's too many!  :blush:

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tuppence95 wrote...

inclemency wrote...

I dont' really have that many good shots of my PCs. This one is CE, named Kharis, who is also in the RDT screen. I was playing three characters, finished awakening with my HNM, now it's just two characters.
*snip*


Only two characters?  I'm playing too many!  

I'm still trying to get my HNM + Morrigan/Anora through Awakening.
My Blood Mage male + Zev just has Orzammar left to do before Landsmeet
The next 3 are still in Ostagar or Lothering:
CEF + Alistair
DCF + Alistair
DNF + maybe Leliana

And I guess I'll be using Queen Cousland for WH.

I think that's too many!  :blush:


Lol, I was rummaging around and found one more for me, as well...but it's only a Golems play, which I haven't finished as yet.  If I get more than three, I'll usually not finish any of them, and start something else that I play through.  My hat's off to you for managing that many characters!

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MKDAWUSS wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Just asking but, where does Alistair tell Flemeth that he was raised by Eamon? I've heard him mention Eamon and that he knows him, but never that he was raised by him.

... maybe I picked the wrong dialog choices or something...


I've checked the Toolset and found that he never actually mentions being raised by Eamon to Flemeth. It's an inconsistency?


I'm pretty sure the "raised by Eamon" dialog is only said directly to the warden and not while Flemeth is around ... unless that conversation can be triggered in her area.  But it's definitely not said to her.


Also, Morrigan somehow knows that Fergus is the HN's brother, and Alistair knew that Cailan told the HN he was scouting in the Wilds...


Hmm ... I suppose we can just assume that there have been conversations around the campfire that took place "off camera"?

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inclemency wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

inclemency wrote...

I dont' really have that many good shots of my PCs. This one is CE, named Kharis, who is also in the RDT screen. I was playing three characters, finished awakening with my HNM, now it's just two characters.
*snip*


Only two characters?  I'm playing too many!  

I'm still trying to get my HNM + Morrigan/Anora through Awakening.
My Blood Mage male + Zev just has Orzammar left to do before Landsmeet
The next 3 are still in Ostagar or Lothering:
CEF + Alistair
DCF + Alistair
DNF + maybe Leliana

And I guess I'll be using Queen Cousland for WH.

I think that's too many!  :blush:


Lol, I was rummaging around and found one more for me, as well...but it's only a Golems play, which I haven't finished as yet.  If I get more than three, I'll usually not finish any of them, and start something else that I play through.  My hat's off to you for managing that many characters!


This always happens when I do playthroughs where my warden doesn't get along with Alistair or where Alistair has a tearful ending.  I have to counteract them with little bits of Alistair-friendly wardens.  
:P