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[Qun00]

All I know is that having him marry Anora is just... evil. Can you imagine? Being stuck with someone who doesn't care about you for the rest of your life.

[BevH]

All I know is that having him marry Anora is just... evil. Can you imagine? Being stuck with someone who doesn't care about you for the rest of your life.

I had him marry Anora once. When I saw her slap his hand away at the ceremony, I replayed the ending making him solo king. 

[Illegitimus]

I had him marry Anora once. When I saw her slap his hand away at the ceremony, I replayed the ending making him solo king. 

 

Had you killed Loghain?  

[BevH]

Had you killed Loghain?  

It's been a while, so I honestly don't remember. I usually do, though.

[Qun00]

I had him marry Anora once. When I saw her slap his hand away at the ceremony, I replayed the ending making him solo king. 

So that means going a couple hours back, to before you defend Denerim against the darkspawn.

I admire this sort of determination to see good ol' Al happy.

[BevH]

So that means going a couple hours back, to before you defend Denerim against the darkspawn.

I admire this sort of determination to see good ol' Al happy.

Not sure of how far back I had to go, but it would mean going back to redo the Landsmeet. And yes, I'm that determined to see Alistair happy! 

[jros83]

Defending him? How so? 

 

I don't really have anything to say to that.... 

Defending him against the person who implied he's NOT a "good character."

 

Now relax. Not everything is an argument. If you have nothing to say to that, then logically you should move on.

[GoldenGail3]

Defending him against the person who implied he's NOT a "good character."
 
Now relax. Not everything is an argument. If you have nothing to say to that, then logically you should move on.

Yeah, k.

Please don't ask me to relax. No offense to you.

[jros83]

Yeah, k.

Please don't ask me to relax. No offense to you.

It was not an interrogative  Stop trying to pick a fight. No offense to you.

[GoldenGail3]

It was not an interrogative  Stop trying to pick a fight. No offense to you.

 

I'm suspicious of everyone. And I stopped, moving on.....

 

So, what do people think of Warden Alistair's cameo? I liked it.... He's still as snarky as ever!

[jros83]

And you even got Last Word too, well done.

[Qun00]

It may be a can of worms, but it's always nice to get some insight from Alistair's writer.

Fair enough. Opinions are precious butterflies, to be certain. My opinion is that, from Alistair's perspective, it's his "beloved" who betrays him at the Landsmeet. The woman he loved, who he thought understood him and knew that Loghain's murder of all his comrades (as well as his mentor) deserved justice, has decided that Loghain should instead be given a place in an order which, to him, represents all good things. That Loghain will be given a chance at redemption rather than the ignoble execution he deserves.

There is a point where players expect to be able to influence their companions, but I argue there should also be a point at which those companions should not bend to your every whim no matter how much they like you. They expect that you like them too, and that this means you should be as willing to do what they want as much as they're willing to do what you want. To not do so turns the character into a sock-puppet for your will, which while very gratifying to the ego wouldn't make for a very human characterization of Alistair.

Is it maddening that he disagrees with you, after having been willing to follow your lead up until that point? Absolutely. I seldom see people actually analyze the situation, however, to determine the level of their betrayal of Alistair as much as his betrayal of them. In my mind, the only thing Alistair does which is unequivocably wrong is when he up and leaves the Wardens once the decision is made. Surely the fate of the world is more important than that? Being human, however, he simply doesn't want to be in the same order that accepts Loghain... and, far more importantly, doesn't want to be near you.

Does finding Alistair drunk in Kirkwall mean he pines for power he never even wanted? Not at all. If that's what you think, I'd venture you're not reading the dialogue. He despairs at what happened, and regrets his decision to leave. He despairs the man he has become compared to what he was, or could have been. Which is pathetic, since he walked away from it, but such is the way of drunks (and forum posters) that self-awareness isn't high on their list of concerns when they're complaining about something.

That is, however, simply my opinion. Regardless of what I intended when I wrote him, people will add their own interpretations to it, and more power to them. I just simply will never respect the person who doesn't own up to the fact that there was an element of selfishness on their own part in betraying Alistair as well.

[GoldenGail3]

And you even got Last Word too, well done.

Really? Don't be a hipercrit, because I stopped. And yet you continued. Let us stop this mindless, shall we?

It may be a can of worms, but it's always nice to get some insight from Alistair's writer.

Wow. That's... Awesome! Anything about Alistair is good to know.

[kimgoold]

Still my absolute all time favourite character of all DA's. So glad they brought back Alistair (Steve Valentines amazing voice acting) and I really hope to hear/see him in a future Warden gated DA be it a dlc or a stand alone game in its own right about the HoF and the search for the Cure or the possible civil war between the Wardens north and south.

 

And Thank You Qun00 for the quote from Alistair's writer.

[Xetykins]

Tbh Alistair's writer did not even have to post that. Anyone with half a brain and not entirely out to hate him will have some sort of understanding on the way he is. Stil top hats to David Gaider. Love that man.

[GoldenGail3]

Tbh Alistair's writer did not even have to post that. Anyone with half a brain and not entirely out to hate him will have some sort of understanding on the way he is. Stil top hats to David Gaider. Love that man.

There's been a lot of Alistair Haters growing in BSN..... So yeah, telling them off will do nothing what so ever....

[Qun00]

What does "BSN" stand for? Bioware what?

[Krypplingz]

Bioware Social Network.

Spoiler

[Shizukai]

Replaying at the moment.

And re-loving 

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Qun00]

I'd imagine he won't approve of option 2.

[sylvanaerie]

Actually his response to that is

Spoiler

"Did I just find out the one good thing about this?  I think I did!"

 

Adding that little titillation at the end of the Warden's statement only adds a bit of flirtation to the comment instead of all the attendant obligation it implies.  He disapproves of the 3rd option.

[Yaroub]

I always go with number 5 and wait for him to freak out ლ(ಠ_ಠლ). Love to pester the guy over and over again, he drops the best lines when he's anxious!

[Aren]

 I just simply will never respect the person who doesn't own up to the fact that there was an element of selfishness on their own part in betraying Alistair as well.
 

I do not understand this statement.

There is no element of betrayal from the Warden part in wanting an extra Warden like the senior grey warden RIordan suggested

(mind that this GW not only was tortured under Loghain/Howe orders,but also knew Duncan far better than AListair) ,regardless of the Warden relationship with AListair as far as i'm concerned the warden can't be accused of betrayal even if we took under consideration all the shades of the word.

As far as the word betrayal is concerned Alistair is the one who act selfish here and become a traitor of the order.

The warden in this decision do not lie,do not deceive and do not escape from duty,so among all the shades of the word betrayal or being selfish,none of them can be applied to the Warden in this circumstances,but they can beapplied to AListair.

[Shizukai]

I chose option 1.
He started to regret telling me this

[Yaroub]

I chose option 1.
He started to regret telling me this

 

He'll get over it once he is to become a king and start to complain about becoming a king. Good guy Alistair.