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[Qun00]

Speaking of Anora, she is part of the reason why I'm having such a hard time deciding between US/DR as well as Alistair's fate in my current run.

I'm not exactly fond of the idea of having her deliver the speech at my Warden's funeral. But far worse is what happens in Awakening: Your character bows before her in the beginning.

I can't imagine my Dalish Warden kneeling before any human lord. The only exception would be a close friend like Alistair.

[Xetykins]

I will never force Anora to marry with the brother of her ex husband it just scream wrong.
She can rule alone.

Aren dear, as much as I like you, I could not fathom how you can consider marrying Anora to Alistair wrong, when you are all for letting that mad man Loghain who's killed many, and also attempted to K.O. you get a pass ☺

 

I also think marrying them is wrong, but Loghain does not get a pass either in my books

[Aren]

  you are all for letting that mad man Loghain who's killed many, and also attempted to K.O. you get a pass ☺

I also think marrying them is wrong, but Loghain does not get a pass either in my books

I don't think that Loghain death via Archdemon is better than Loghain' death via Landsmeet  but at least in the former case it is an inevitable sacrifice meant to save a nation.

I firmly believe that there is no justice in death and clearly this is something that set a kind of barrier between me and Alistair 

It is a logic he apply to Loghain and Yavana since he killed them both in the name of justice.

[GoldenGail3]

Oh Alistair . My wrung out heart. I would not ever do this. My Cousland girl and you all the way buddy.

AH same here. It's more beneficial to Alistairs enjoyment as King to be marred to the woman he loves. I refuse my Cousland a mistress/lover out of that. I'm a great lover of Queen Cousland/Alistair married and in love...

[Qun00]

With everything that you guys know now, what do you believe is the best fate for Alistair?

[sylvanaerie]

With everything that you guys know now, what do you believe is the best fate for Alistair?

 

Warden Alistair.  He has a chance at being leader of the southern wardens (being the most senior present in Inquisition) provided the right choice is made in the fade.

[Qun00]

Well, the Orlesian wardens anyhow.

[Akrabra]

With everything that you guys know now, what do you believe is the best fate for Alistair?

King with Cousland Queen, unhardened. I think he was meant to be King, but only a HoF can help him be it as best he can. That doesn't mean i think the Warden path is bad though. He is obviously a very skilled Warrior and care for the cause. 

[Ghost Gal]

With everything that you guys know now, what do you believe is the best fate for Alistair?

 

Stay with the Wardens. He loves the Wardens, he wants to stay with the Wardens, and by DAI he can end up leading the Wardens and helping them on their path to redemption if the Inquisitor spares him in the Fade and lets the Wardens stay. (He can also stay with a romanced non-Cousland Female Warden--gasp, they exist--without having to have his spirit broken "hardened" or make her the dirty little mistress.)

[GoldenGail3]

Warden Alistair.  He has a chance at being leader of the southern wardens (being the most senior present in Inquisition) provided the right choice is made in the fade.

Yeah, I like Warden Alistair too. But my preference is Queen Cousland/ Alistair. But meh, I really like Female Amell/Warden Alistair. I dunno which fate is the best for Alistair at this moment in time... Because I LOVE them both wholeheartedly...

[SgtSteel91]

Any of you think Alistair and a Warden who spares Loghain could ever rebuild their friendship? Alistair is a nice guy but I don't want to kill Loghain, and I really like Loghain's role in Inquisition. It's even worse because I also have him marry Anora.

[Qun00]

Sadly, no.

Gaider goes as far as saying that when Alistair leaves, it isn't just because he doesn't want to fight by Loghain's side. It is also because he wants to stay away from YOU, specifically.

I'm not even sure that sacrificing Loghain against the archdemon makes any difference.

[Paragon Aeducan]

I think the best ending for Alistair is definitely Warden. He never wanted to be of royal blood and never wanted to be king. His true place is with the Wardens, that's what he wants and enjoys being.

It's not fair to put him on the throne simply because you want to marry him or you think he would make a fine king. It's just not right, it goes against everything he ever stood for. The only reason he is ready to step up if asked to do so is because of duty, he thinks that Ferelden depends on it. Anora is a natural ruler, who worked her entire life to get there, while Alistair avoided it his whole life. 

[straykat]

I think the best ending for Alistair is definitely Warden. He never wanted to be of royal blood and never wanted to be king. His true place is with the Wardens, that's what he wants and enjoys being.

It's not fair to put him on the throne simply because you want to marry him or you think he would make a fine king. It's just not right, it goes against everything he ever stood for. The only reason he is ready to step up if asked to do so is because of duty, he thinks that Ferelden depends on it. Anora is a natural ruler, who worked her entire life to get there, while Alistair avoided it his whole life. 

 

It's difficult to bend over backwards for all his needs. I don't equate everything he wants with what is right. His worship of Duncan and the Wardens is deluded, for one. His inclination to "forget" important information until the right time where he has higher Approval. Like telling me how Wardens die in the Deep Roads. "OH! By the way..."

 

His habit of wanting to be babied by people is very annoying. Not just by Wynne, but everyone. The guy needs to grow up.

 

Last, but not least: He blames you for Connor's fate, no matter what. Even if you kept Jowan locked up and Isolde doesn't know about the blood ritual. And even when Isolde decides to end Connor herself and doesn't blame you. There's nothing to do but kill the demon, and he still throws a fit over it.

[Vanilka]

There doesn't need to be any bending. The Grey Wardens aren't meant to meddle in politics in the first place, so getting rid of the obstacles in the way of stopping the Blight (Loghain's bullshit) is enough. Ferelden already has a rightful ruler. It's not the Wardens' job to make sure she's a good one or decide what they assume is "right" for Ferelden.

[straykat]

There doesn't need to be any bending. The Grey Wardens aren't meant to meddle in politics in the first place, so getting rid of the obstacles in the way of stopping the Blight (Loghain's bullshit) is enough. Ferelden already has a rightful ruler. It's not the Wardens' job make sure she's a good one or decide what they assume is "right" for Ferelden.

 

That's a better point. I just don't do things for Alistair because it makes him feel better.

 

I don't think he's bad either. Don't get me wrong. I think he's a decent character...despite this resentment between my characters and him. I don't kill him or anything. Made him a drunk once, but that was once. lol

 

Besides, 99% of my characters die. The last thing I care about is him being sad about being a king.

[Qun00]

What intrigues me the most about the dialogue here is the version that is shown at 0:40.

That is for the scenario where the Warden is alive and didn't enter the eluvian with Morrigan. The confusing part is that Alistair doesn't like any of the options that allow a male Warden to survive.

DR? Ohhhh, "he walks a dark path"! Redeeming Loghain? Huge deal breaker.

But here we see him saying he'd like to see the HoF again. The one that is alive right now. Thanks to stuff he doesn't approve of.

[Vanilka]

That's a better point. I just don't do things for Alistair because it makes him feel better.

 

I don't think he's bad either. Don't get me wrong. I think he's a decent character...despite this resentment between my characters and him. I don't kill him or anything. Made him a drunk once, but that was once. lol

 

I get that. We all have our way to approach it.

 

Personally, I respect his decision. I actually find the fact he'd rather risk his life fighting monsters instead of sitting in the safety of a castle surrounded by luxury (but, yes, also duty and responsibility) amazing, and I'm just glad that, as a Warden and with Anora around, I have all the rights and reasons not to force him to become king in my favourite playthrough. Given I like playing my Warden as kind of a hardass when it comes to these things, the decision is simple and straightforward for me - she's not going to lose a perfectly capable Warden and definitely not by doing something they're not supposed to in the first place, Loghain needs to die because he stands in the way of fighting the Blight and cannot be trusted after causing so much trouble. Plus, I enjoy the whole two lovers fighting side by side kind of ending. But that's how I play anyway. And I don't mean to invalidate anybody else's choices. The Warden's just a person, after all.

 

I don't think I can really argue that Alistair isn't a bit immature and such because, no matter how you look at it, he still is kind of a kid. I mean, how old is he in Origins? Less than 20? What were we like when we were his age? And what would we be like if put in his shoes in that age? (Talking for myself, I have no idea if I could do any better. Now I might. Assuming I could hack and slash my way through hordes of monsters.) So, I agree that he has some growing up to do and he's definitely insecure and not very confident, and I think the whole thing with Ostagar didn't help anything, judging from how he was perfectly comfortable pretty much leading the group before the disaster and after Ostagar he never wanted to do it again. I've always suspected his "What? Lead? Me? No, no, no. No leading. Bad things happen when I lead. We get lost, people die, and the next thing you know I'm stranded somewhere without any pants," was referring to what happened at Ostagar. (I may be wrong, but I can't help thinking that.)

 

I like him because he's not your typical macho badass hero that acts cool all the time we see so often in media. (And I'm very happy BW guys usually don't go that way.) He's kind of soft and he's a little ball of feelings and worries as much as he is a knight in shining armour and warrior. And, yes, he screws up here and there. (I don't think there's any character in DA universe that doesn't.) But I understand if that doesn't appeal to everyone. 

[Ghost Gal]

I used to think keeping him a Warden was de facto the best choice for him, since he loved the Grey Wardens and never wanted to be king. But then, looking at the devs' in-game character descriptions for DAI, I started having second thoughts.

 

Basically, if Alistair cameos as King in DAI, he "remains earnest, wry, and self-deprecating." But if he cameos as a Grey Warden, he "remains wry and self-deprecating, but is a bit more world-weary than he was in DAO."

 

Now, that's interesting. Shouldn't it be the other way around? If he loves the Wardens but dreads being King, shouldn't the pressures of ruling make him more world-weary as King but still as spry and earnest as ever as a Warden? I wonder if this is some sort of cosmic joke the writers played on him; he dreaded being king because he thought it would entail something that doesn't and/or adores the Wardens because he's idealized them as something they aren't, but over time he found that being king was easier on his psyche, while life as a Warden was more trying and wearying than he thought.

 

What do y'all think?

[GoldenGail3]

I used to think keeping him a Warden was de facto the best choice for him, since he loved the Grey Wardens and never wanted to be king. But then, looking at the devs' in-game character descriptions for DAI, I started having second thoughts.

 

Basically, if Alistair cameos as King in DAI, he "remains earnest, wry, and self-deprecating." But if he cameos as a Grey Warden, he "remains wry and self-deprecating, but is a bit more world-weary than he was in DAO."

 

Now, that's interesting. Shouldn't it be the other way around? If he loves the Wardens but dreads being King, shouldn't the pressures of ruling make him more world-weary as King but still as spry and earnest as ever as a Warden? I wonder if this is some sort of cosmic joke the writers played on him; he dreaded being king because he thought it would entail something that doesn't and/or adores the Wardens because he's idealized them as something they aren't, but over time he found that being king was easier on his psyche, while life as a Warden was more trying and wearying than he thought.

 

What do y'all think?

 

      Huh.... That's actually... Really, very true.

[robertmarilyn]

I used to think keeping him a Warden was de facto the best choice for him, since he loved the Grey Wardens and never wanted to be king. But then, looking at the devs' in-game character descriptions for DAI, I started having second thoughts.

 

Basically, if Alistair cameos as King in DAI, he "remains earnest, wry, and self-deprecating." But if he cameos as a Grey Warden, he "remains wry and self-deprecating, but is a bit more world-weary than he was in DAO."

 

Now, that's interesting. Shouldn't it be the other way around? If he loves the Wardens but dreads being King, shouldn't the pressures of ruling make him more world-weary as King but still as spry and earnest as ever as a Warden? I wonder if this is some sort of cosmic joke the writers played on him; he dreaded being king because he thought it would entail something that doesn't and/or adores the Wardens because he's idealized them as something they aren't, but over time he found that being king was easier on his psyche, while life as a Warden was more trying and wearying than he thought.

 

What do y'all think?

 

I think his world weariness as a warden could come from finding out that the leaders of the wardens are leading the wardens astray. As King, Alistair can keep some of his idealized thoughts about the wardens. 

[GoldenGail3]

I think his world weariness as a warden could come from finding out that the leaders of the wardens are leading the wardens astray. As King, Alistair can keep some of his idealized thoughts about the wardens. 

True to dat, lol. 

 

Yeah and I once loved Cullen but then the Cullen thread came and killed my interest in Cullen altogether. Now all i have left is this thread with Alistair in it 

[Vanilka]

I don't find it too surprising since being a Warden, he likely experiences pretty awful things first-hand. Often. I'd say spending years and years of fighting, and fighting monsters no less, does that to you. Being a Warden is not holiday. Not to even mention that when we meet him in DAI, he's sick and tired of hearing the Calling all the time. (As a king, he remains in Ferelden and I assume he doesn't get any of that.) Judging from what he says in DAI as a Warden if romanced, he seems to be eager to settle down with the Warden if she manages to find the cure, too.

 

(It's like... e.g. when somebody chooses to be a cop, especially those that deal with murder investigation. You may feel that you make a difference and that makes you happy and you know this is your place to be, but you also see the worst of humanity all the bloody time and it must be disheartening. And Wardens have no off-duty hours.) 

 

However, it is the cost of life he has chosen himself. It doesn't make me change my mind because choosing otherwise wouldn't make sense for my Warden and I wouldn't even know how to justify it just based on this. (Not that I want to.)

[straykat]

 

Personally, I respect his decision. I actually find the fact he'd rather risk his life fighting monsters instead of sitting in the safety of a castle surrounded by luxury (but, yes, also duty and responsibility) amazing

 

I think he's doing it for the wrong reasons. He worships Duncan and the Wardens and thinks he should have died with them. He admits it himself and the Sacred Ashes spirit calls him out on it too. He seems to think he has nothing live to for... but one reason to die for. That's not good enough. What's the point of sacrifice when you sacrifice nothing. It's no high cost for him.

 

And not only that, but he's completely deluded about Duncan in the first place. He scoffs at Daveth being recruited because he's a thief, when Duncan is the same. He doesn't know anything about Duncan apparently. He built this idea of a hero when Duncan isn't quite that. And Alistair has only known him for 6 months, and treats him like a dad. It's pathetic. The guy needs to live his life and get his head out his ass. Maybe then he'll learn something.

[Vanilka]

I think he's doing it for the wrong reasons. He worships Duncan and the Wardens and thinks he should have died with them. He admits it himself and the Sacred Ashes spirit calls him out on it too. He seems to think he has nothing live to for... but one reason to die for. That's not good enough.

 

I don't think so. If you talk to him before the Landsmeet and ask whether he still doesn't wish to be king, he says he wants to be a Warden because that's something he thinks he's good at, that it's "something I can fight, something I can defeat" or something along those lines.