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[Qun00]

The comics should be easier for you. Less focus on narration/written storytelling and more on what Gaider is good at: Characters.

I've brought this up because these novels are good for giving us more insight into Alistair. And well... I just continue to be disappointed in him as king. You know how everyone who's ever put him on the throne says things like "Oh, he will get better at the job in time" and "He will eventually learn to like it"?

He really never does. The Silent Grove, Those Who Speak and Until We Sleep are three parts of one story, which takes place just two years before the events of Inquisition. And Alistair STILL is complaining about how he shouldn't be king and how much he sucks at it.

Later on there is a new Fade dream where he is reunited with the royal family but Maric is king and Cailan is the one to succeed their father. Not Alistair. Finally, the last page of the last chapter shows him on his throne with a big frown as he watches two nobles fighting.

[robertmarilyn]

So, have you guys ever read the graphic novels?

 

I've read all 5 of the novels. I was interested in them because of the Dragon Age games but I know I would have had a hard time enjoying them if I hadn't played the games a lot since what background I knew from the games helped me to get into the novels. 

[sylvanaerie]

The comics should be easier for you. Less focus on narration/written storytelling and more on what Gaider is good at: Characters.

I've brought this up because these novels are good for giving us more insight into Alistair. And well... I just continue to be disappointed in him as king. You know how everyone who's ever put him on the throne says things like "Oh, he will get better at the job in time" and "He will eventually learn to like it"?

He really never does. The Silent Grove, Those Who Speak and Until We Sleep are three parts of one story, which takes place just two years before the events of Inquisition. And Alistair STILL is complaining about how he shouldn't be king and how much he sucks at it.

Later on there is a new Fade dream where he is reunited with the royal family but Maric is king and Cailan is the one to succeed their father. Not Alistair. Finally, the last page of the last chapter shows him on his throne with a big frown as he watches two nobles fighting.

 

This doesn't surprise me.  King Alistair is my 'canon' story, but frankly, I prefer leaving it to Anora in the end, even if she does mess up with the elves, she is much more progressive in her rulership and has some good ideas.  It doesn't surprise me he never grows comfortable or truly happy in the role.  It's not the life he chose for himself but one thrust on him by fate and Eamon/the Warden.  Plus, by leaving Anora as solo queen (or with a Cousland) I get to stick it to Eamon, and that's always a plus.

[gottaloveme]

Steve Valentine sighting

 

https://youtu.be/eQi...D6DF85EAE5AE440

 

for those of you that didn't know

 

dat voice

 

also with his hat -

[Qun00]

I'm considering whether to have both the HoF and Hawke dying in my canon storyline. This way I can accomplish two goals: First, Alistair gets his wish of spending the rest of his life as a GW and second, the HoF will keep his morality intact (no DR).

And just now I realized something pretty amusing about all this. It requires all three heroes to act directly in ensuring Alistair's survival.

Alistair: Let me sacrifice myself in your place.

Warden: I can't let you do it. I'm sorry.

(Ten years later)

Alistair: It's my duty to make up for the Grey Wardens' mistake by turning into demon spider food!

Hawke: No, the Grey Wardens need you! Let me die instead.

Inquisitor: Damn right, Alistair must live. Nice knowing you, Hawke.

[sylvanaerie]

I'm considering whether to have both the HoF and Hawke dying in my canon storyline. This way I can accomplish two goals: First, Alistair gets his wish of spending the rest of his life as a GW and second, the HoF will keep his morality intact (no DR).

And just now I realized something pretty amusing about all this. It requires all three heroes to act directly in ensuring Alistair's survival.

Alistair: Let me sacrifice myself in your place.

Warden: I can't let you do it. I'm sorry.

(Ten years later)

Alistair: It's my duty to make up for the Grey Wardens' mistake by turning into demon spider food!

Hawke: No, the Grey Wardens need you! Let me die instead.

Inquisitor: Damn right, Alistair must live. Nice knowing you, Hawke.

 

LOL Poor Hawke, the red-headed step child of Dragon Age.

[Ghost Gal]

I'm considering whether to have both the HoF and Hawke dying in my canon storyline. This way I can accomplish two goals: First, Alistair gets his wish of spending the rest of his life as a GW and second, the HoF will keep his morality intact (no DR).

And just now I realized something pretty amusing about all this. It requires all three heroes to act directly in ensuring Alistair's survival.

Alistair: Let me sacrifice myself in your place.

Warden: I can't let you do it. I'm sorry.

(Ten years later)

Alistair: It's my duty to make up for the Grey Wardens' mistake by turning into demon spider food!

Hawke: No, the Grey Wardens need you! Let me die instead.

Inquisitor: Damn right, Alistair must live. Nice knowing you, Hawke.

 

My canon playthrough, and I'm not even sorry. Alistair is going to live to a ripe old age in my canon worldstate if I have to sacrifice every protagonist of every game to keep him alive.

 

(My Warden technically didn't sacrifice her life, but she did sacrifice her chance to help her people by crowning Anora to keep Alistair in the Grey Wardens, then sacrificed her chance to kill herself to the Archdemon like she wanted because she couldn't bring herself to leave Alistair and Cyrion heartbroken. "*ugh* Fine, I'll live. Let's see what we can do...")

[Qun00]

LOL Poor Hawke, the red-headed step child of Dragon Age.

I don't get it. '-'

[sylvanaerie]

I don't get it. '-'

 

Google "Red-headed stepchild" for an explanation, but in this context it means "Someone neglected, unwanted or mistreated".  Considering the amount of hate Hawke gets from a lot of the DA fandom, he/she often seems like a 'red-headed step child' to me.

 

In fact, Hawke is my favorite protagonist in the games, and oddly, my canon Hawke is a redhead.

 

My Kit Hawke, who took nothing seriously and was enormous fun to play was very tongue in cheek from beginning concept, from having a name based on a historical place (Kitty Hawke, the birthplace of flight) to her appearance and personality (red-head--using this trope), sarcastic LadyHawke.

 

[GoldenGail3]

I rather like my canon Hawke - he was a hilarious bastard that made DA2 actually sort of enjoyable to play... But meh, I make the same claims about Carver - I love Carver too, but he's a GW and my Hawke is still alive... Because of Isabela... Only because of Isabela's happieness (he romanced Isabela, because I couldn't help myself. She was an amazing romance when rivalled - I'd do it again...)

[Qun00]

Romancing either Isabela or Fenris makes the decision to leave Hawke in the Fade even harder, because they are the LIs that would struggle the most in dealing with that.

Isabela would think it confirms that it was a mistake to allow herself to love someone again.

And Fenris, well... do I need to say anything? Emotionally damaged ex-slave finally finds a reason to live aside from revenge. And suddenly that pillar is gone.

[Qun00]

Romancing either Isabela or Fenris makes the decision to leave Hawke in the Fade even harder, because they are the LIs that would struggle the most in dealing with that.

Isabela would think it confirms that it was a mistake to allow herself to love someone again.

And Fenris, well... do I need to say anything? Emotionally damaged ex-slave finally finds a reason to live aside from revenge. And suddenly that pillar is gone.

[SgtSteel91]

Romancing either Isabela or Fenris makes the decision to leave Hawke in the Fade even harder, because they are the LIs that would struggle the most in dealing with that.

Isabela would think it confirms that it was a mistake to allow herself to love someone again.

And Fenris, well... do I need to say anything? Emotionally damaged ex-slave finally finds a reason to live aside from revenge. And suddenly that pillar is gone.

 

I think Merrill would have a hard time too, especially when friendmanced. Hawke was, like, the only person who supported her through the Eluvian thing when everyone else doubted her, even hating her.

[Aren]

Given I like playing my Warden as kind of a hardass when it comes to these things, the decision is simple and straightforward for me - she's not going to lose a perfectly capable Warden and definitely not by doing something they're not supposed to in the first place, Loghain needs to die because he stands in the way of fighting the Blight and cannot be trusted after causing so much trouble.

I shaped a diametrically opposite warden
with a personality more shifted toward the absolute compassion.
Spare Loghain was also the advice of a senior warden but that was not the reasoning behind my decision it was simply into the merciless nature of my warden that also lead Alistair to break with him.

Last words my warden spoke to Alistair Theirin:"Alistair-san, for a person with no forgiveness in heart, living even worse punishment than death"

[Vanilka]

I shaped a diametrically opposite warden
with a personality more shifted toward the absolute compassion.
Spare Loghain was also the advice of a senior warden but that was not the reasoning behind my decision it was simply into the merciless nature of my warden that also lead Alistair to break with him.

Last words my warden spoke to Alistair Theirin:"Alistair-san, for a person with no forgiveness in heart, living even worse punishment than death"

 

Being a hardass doesn't mean you can't be kind. That's how I see it anyway. My Warden does a great deal of helping people, but there's only so far she will go. The way it plays out is that she has Alistair duel Loghain and (unhardened) Alistair makes the decision for himself. There's no pause or dialogue before he lops Loghain's head off. He just looks her way and she gives him a small nod. (I love the entire thing.) And that is fine because, at that point, he's slaying an enemy that's been fighting them until that very moment and making everything so much more difficult, enemy that's stood against uniting Ferelden against the immediate threat, enemy that has no reason not to stab them in the back the moment they turn around because he's already tried such shady ways multiple times, and yes, somebody they both believe responsible for the death of Duncan and other Wardens (from their POV). That way, Alistair's doing away with a dangerous obstacle in the fight against the Blight. (Plus, yes, there are some emotions there after everything.) Riordan doesn't even have time to step in to nonsensically act like Loghain is the only person out of the entire room worth recruiting when we have Sten and others loyally at our side and have had them the entire time. This is my favourite scenario.

 

However, I understand. We simply play differently. To be honest, I admire that kind of mercy, even if I don't exactly believe in it myself. (I'd prefer imprisoning Loghain to killing him myself, though.) I like to play kind and forgiving characters, as well. It's true that even then, most of my characters' patience is still limited one way or another. They usually break at some point because they're strained by trying so hard.

[GoldenGail3]

I'm considering whether to have both the HoF and Hawke dying in my canon storyline. This way I can accomplish two goals: First, Alistair gets his wish of spending the rest of his life as a GW and second, the HoF will keep his morality intact (no DR).
And just now I realized something pretty amusing about all this. It requires all three heroes to act directly in ensuring Alistair's survival.
Alistair: Let me sacrifice myself in your place.
Warden: I can't let you do it. I'm sorry.
(Ten years later)
Alistair: It's my duty to make up for the Grey Wardens' mistake by turning into demon spider food!
Hawke: No, the Grey Wardens need you! Let me die instead.
Inquisitor: Damn right, Alistair must live. Nice knowing you, Hawke.

I never killed my Amell nor Alistair; I selfishly did the DA so that they both live... And yeah, the thing with Hawke though, I proposefilly named my Hawke in the Keep "Death" and made the guy a total d*** too. So long story short, Warden Alistair still lives...

[Qun00]

I remember one of those tumblr posts where someone predicted that Alistair would be Warden-Commander in DAI. It turned out to be false, of course, but it could happen now that Clarel is dead and he is the only remaining senior Warden in Orlais.

[Qun00]

I remember one of those tumblr posts where someone predicted that Alistair would be Warden-Commander in DAI.

It turned out to be false, of course, but it could happen now that Clarel is dead and he is the only remaining senior Warden in Orlais.

[GoldenGail3]

I remember one of those tumblr posts where someone predicted that Alistair would be Warden-Commander in DAI. It turned out to be false, of course, but it could happen now that Clarel is dead and he is the only remaining senior Warden in Orlais.

That would be extremely ironic and would make me chuckle if he became Warden Commander of Orlais...

[Qun00]

No irony in it. Alistair has nothing against them. However, it would be pretty hilarious in Warden Loghain's case.

[Qun00]

No irony in it. Alistair has nothing against them. However, it would be pretty hilarious in Warden Loghain's case.

[kimgoold]

I never killed my Amell nor Alistair; I selfishly did the DA so that they both live... And yeah, the thing with Hawke though, I proposefilly named my Hawke in the Keep "Death" and made the guy a total d*** too. So long story short, Warden Alistair still lives...

 

Wow nice to know I'm not the only one to create a disposable Hawke to keep Warden Alistair; but then I also make a disposable Hawke for Warden Stroud as well. He's a total 'Ahem' and romanced Vengeance so no loss really.

[GoldenGail3]

Wow nice to know I'm not the only one to create a disposable Hawke to keep Warden Alistair; but then I also make a disposable Hawke for Warden Stroud as well. He's a total 'Ahem' and romanced Vengeance so no loss really.

We have the same mindset about our Hawkes, lol. I can kill all of my Hawkes in the fade without even blinking an eye to save the Warden, afterall, one of my many Hawke drones are dead to keep Warden Loghian alive...

[sylvanaerie]

We have the same mindset about our Hawkes, lol. I can kill all of my Hawkes in the fade without even blinking an eye to save the Warden, afterall, one of my many Hawke drones are dead to keep Warden Loghian alive...

 

Some Hawkes of mine would be expendable, but only the ones I never finished or never played (made just for Keep).  The only Warden Alistair import I had a 'never finished' Hawke as my DA2 protagonist.  I ended up leaving her in the Fade.  Varric wasn't too happy.  I'd never sacrifice Kit or William though, those were my go-to Hawkes.  Those were Stroud/Loghain imports, though I really enjoyed Loghain's cameo in DAI.  I might have altered that world state to let him emerge at the end, but I was too far committed to the path I'd already chosen, and I had a Hawke I actually enjoyed as the guest companion.  Been too sick to play again, and I get the feeling no matter which GW emerges, you get the same speech at that point anyway.

 

If I'm still around for DA4 and they continue using Keep, I may alter that play to have Loghain as the senior warden in Southern Thedas.  Keep makes it so much easier to get the world state you want.

[Qun00]

As Tumblr's passion for trivial things is endless, there currently is a little war over whether Alistair is "biracial" or not.

This is based on the fact that he was more tanned in Origins, compared to his design in DAI. It would seem that white people only come in one skin tone.