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[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Maybe there was a problem with importing Idun as a Dalish mage?  Did you get the line about how they could use Ariane's blood but not the Warden's? The only part I felt they might have missed was with the strider thing, but that was forgiveable.

That must be.    I thought it was all firing correctly since Ariane was reacting to her as a Dalish PC and we had the dialogues in the mage tower.  And yes, she did get the line about Ariane's blood.

Maybe it was a dialog choice I made but that's hard to believe...but yeah, I was actually pretty pleased by the way they incorporated the Dalish Warden.  I'm still not sure it will be a canon part of Kara's story...the elven ruins would be extremely traumatic for her.  I'll have to think on it more.  And come up with that RP reason for her to look in the first place.

I'm envisioning possibly a very very awkward missive from Alistair about someone maybe seeing a woman who might have been Morrigan and he hates to ask her to do it but is it possible, if she's out in that area, to maybe swing by and see if there's any truth to the matter?

Sort of apropos ToP

Modifié par Sandtigress, 08 septembre 2010 - 09:05 .

[Lady Jess]

Sandtigress wrote...

So to bring the discussion back on topic... :-P
Do you think Alistair would send the Warden to look for Morrigan if he got word of her re-appearance? I'm trying to think of an RP reason why Kara and Amelia would go looking - they, in and of themselves, would more likely hold to their promise to let Morrigan go.
I used to think that Alistair would probably not want to know...but maybe? What do you guys think?

I think he would as king definitely. If he's a warden with his LI, he'd probably get the same info she got if the scout they mention just randomly reported it. I think for my Dalish (I'm alternating between playing Awakening Cous Cous and Origins Lyra at the moment) who will do the GW ending, she'll have quietly sent scouts to check it out after Alistair mentions it in passing.

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

Maybe it was a dialog choice I made but that's hard to believe...but yeah, I was actually pretty pleased by the way they incorporated the Dalish Warden.  I'm still not sure it will be a canon part of Kara's story...the elven ruins would be extremely traumatic for her.  I'll have to think on it more.  And come up with that RP reason for her to look in the first place.

I'll run it again, but that's why I said I thought the silence in the ruins was eerie.  I imagine Idun would mourn privately anyway, but it made me  and it felt like no one cared.  Is it really plausible that the clans would not have connected the Hero of Ferelden with the Mahariel disappearance??

I'm envisioning possibly a very very awkward missive from Alistair about someone maybe seeing a woman who might have been Morrigan and he hates to ask her to do it but is it possible, if she's out in that area, to maybe swing by and see if there's any truth to the matter?

In my two cases, Chancellor Surana (man that sounds like a Star Trek character) would want to investigate and I figure Warden Mahariel was on her way through to the new Dalish lands and got word.  Where Warden Alistair was at that point... hmm.  As for Chancellor, Alistair really can't tell her where to go and not to go. 

[Yankee23]

Sandtigress wrote...

So to bring the discussion back on topic... :-P
Do you think Alistair would send the Warden to look for Morrigan if he got word of her re-appearance? I'm trying to think of an RP reason why Kara and Amelia would go looking - they, in and of themselves, would more likely hold to their promise to let Morrigan go.
I used to think that Alistair would probably not want to know...but maybe? What do you guys think?

I am not sure Alistair would send the warden alone. He does not trust Morrigan reagrdless of how the warden feels about her. If he is not king he would want to go with her, if he is king he may insist she take others with her. I do think he would want to know about the ogb. The kid may have his mother but Alistair knows what it's like to grow up thinking your father want's nothing to do with you. He is bound to feel guilty that he is putting his child through the same thing.

However, I think both my wardens would probably not tell Alistair where she is going until she got back. My mage would go with the intention of returning to Alistair with the kid. It's the only one he is ever likely to have and it beaks her heart that he may never get to be a father to it. My HNF feels the same but I have yet to work out in my head how the queen can logically just show up with kid one day and what that would mean for the future. So I don't think her intention is to bring the kid back to Alistair, at this point. She just wants to be able to go back and tell Alistair that it is ok and she knows where it is so he can keep an eye on it.

[Siduri]

So, I had to write a whole long blog post gushing about Alistair and wrestling with the different decisions in the game.



http://shannon.users...et/blog/?p=1223



I'd be really interested to hear about other players' different experiences, especially on your first playthroughs...

[Sarah1281]

My mage would go with the intention of returning to Alistair with the kid.

Where does Morrigan fit into this? Was she planning on stealing Morrigan's child because she likes Alistair better?

[Addai]

Siduri wrote...

So, I had to write a whole long blog post gushing about Alistair and wrestling with the different decisions in the game.

http://shannon.users...et/blog/?p=1223

I'd be really interested to hear about other players' different experiences, especially on your first playthroughs...

Yay!  I loved reading that.  It's a story I've heard dozens of times and I still loved reading it.  I also loved your constant Oh, Alistair.  LOL  What an infuriating, addicting blob of pixels and bewitched Gaider writing and equally bewitched Steve Valentine VO recording he is.

I had too much spoiler information on my 1st pt for my story to be anywhere near as fun as yours.

Anyway, welcome!  Oh, and we are practically neighbors.  *Bay Area fist bump*

[Lanfaer01]

 "Alistair...killed himself! For me! I had just been complaining about how he didn't show any initiative and then I told him I was going to take the killing blow and he said, he said, You say that like I'm giving you a choice..."

I was so glad that no one was near me while I did this ending. I was sobbing for not only a little while  

My first playthrough was spoiled till the end, so I knew what I had to do to get my happy Grey Warden ending.

Modifié par Lanfaer01, 08 septembre 2010 - 09:45 .

[phaonica]

Siduri wrote...

So, I had to write a whole long blog post gushing about Alistair and wrestling with the different decisions in the game.

http://shannon.users...et/blog/?p=1223

I'd be really interested to hear about other players' different experiences, especially on your first playthroughs...

This is awesome to read. I love hearing about people's first playthroughs.

[tuppence95]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...
Did anyone attack Morrigan? I found it really harsh.

I did it.  I finally stabbed her last night after repeated tries to get the right DR ending.  I finally got fed up and I killed her.  I was sorry I did it as soon as I saw the cut scene. 

Sandtigress wrote...
So to bring the discussion back on topic... :-P
Do you think Alistair would send the Warden to look for Morrigan if he got word of her re-appearance? I'm trying to think of an RP reason why Kara and Amelia would go looking - they, in and of themselves, would more likely hold to their promise to let Morrigan go.
I used to think that Alistair would probably not want to know...but maybe? What do you guys think?

I thought he would want to know.  I think he's been really worried about the repercussions, and also feeling guilty about leaving a child of his in Morrigan's hands.  Alistair in my playthrough is King, and I don't think he could just take off to hunt for her.  So my Queen/Warden has gone on her own to check out the reports she's gotten.  She didn't want to tell Alistair and get his hopes/worries up until she found out if it was actually Morrigan who was sighted.

Siduri wrote...
So, I had to write a whole long blog post gushing about Alistair and wrestling with the different decisions in the game.

http://shannon.users...et/blog/?p=1223

I'd be really interested to hear about other players' different experiences, especially on your first playthroughs...

Oh, Alistair!  I really enjoyed reading your blog post!  I guess so many of us had traumatic first playthroughs.  I think I'm going to print out what you wrote and show it to my husband, who had a similar reaction.  He did a lot of eye-rolling while I was playing.

Now, thanks to our wonderful modders, we can take that choice back from Alistair and knock him out before he can take the killing blow. 

[Edited to add:  I tried Lady Jess's suggestions, and I played just enough to see from the opening dialogue that the DR was being recognized.  And now I'm putting WH aside and going back to my new CE's story with Alistair.  I think I need that now.]

Modifié par tuppence95, 08 septembre 2010 - 10:22 .

[inclemency]

Siduri wrote...

So, I had to write a whole long blog post gushing about Alistair and wrestling with the different decisions in the game.

http://shannon.users...et/blog/?p=1223

I'd be really interested to hear about other players' different experiences, especially on your first playthroughs...

That was wonderful!  Lol, I almost choked with laughter when I 'heard' my husband in your Sam.  He just rolls his eyes now, although every once in a while will be amused (like the time I shrieked in horror after installing Natural Bodies and did Return to Ostagar for the first time).

My first time was kind of ruined, but maybe not....my PC was an elven mage I just loved, and 3/4 of the way through the game I found out only a HNF could marry Alistair. (I was playing it on Xbox when I first started, got the PC version once I heard about the mods).

There are still endings I haven't done, and after playing virtually every day for months, I'm still not ready to tackle them.

I really enjoyed reading your blog, glad you told us about it.


Edit:  I told my husband about the blog and  Sam's reaction....he laughed and said, "Well, I try to be polite."  Lol, maybe it is good he's leaving tonight for a long weekend of golf.... 

Modifié par inclemency, 08 septembre 2010 - 10:44 .

[rak72]

My warden set off alone on this mission because she didn't want anyone to find out about what realy went down that night. She didn't tell anyone what she was doing, because she knew there was no telling what she would do once she saw Mori. She did end up shanking her, but I felt bad after. I don't think Mori is actualy bad, but it was nice that we got the option to off her. I think if you were a guy romancing her, it was a nice ending. Still bummed that I got the DR bug.

[Merilsell]

I played WH with Alonis today -- who romanced Morrigan -- and are really, really satisfied with the DLC. Everything fired properly, I even got the ring dialogue and of course the ogb reference. And then all the love for the Dalish with going back to the mirror and such . Wonderful Oh and the easter eggs were lovely as well, I lol'd. Alonis left with Morrigan through the mirror of course because he didn't want to be without her. Aww.

Though I have to say as a non-Dalish it's not as half as much fun, really. I played it a second time with Aeris my FCE --who was friend with Morri and where King Alistair did the DR --and it was still good, but in comparison to playing it with a Dalish char it was all meh. Finally some love for the Dalish

At any rate, I'm looking forward to DA3 now

[Yankee23]

Sarah1281 wrote...

My mage would go with the intention of returning to Alistair with the kid.

Where does Morrigan fit into this? Was she planning on stealing Morrigan's child because she likes Alistair better?

Frankly, yes. It's his child too that for all anyone knows Morrigan is planning to use as a pawn or a body in training for her own gain. In my warden's mind Morrigan is not doing this for the joy of being a mother, he is a means to an end nothing more. My warden is fiercely protective of Alistair's happiness and if she has an opportunity to give him the family he has always wanted, she will take it. Just to provide a little more understanding - my warden never got along with Morrigan and is not a bad person (she is actually very sweet) but she is very protective and will do anything guarantee the happiness and protection of those that she loves, including Alistair's child. Since I don't thnk she would actually kill Morrigan to accomplish this it's probably not the best of ideas and if successful, much mayhem will ensue.

My HNF on the other hand, has hopes that she can convince her friend to stay in contact with the intention of eventually trying to convince Morrigan that her and Alistair can provide the child a better life or at the least allow Alistair to be a part of his life. She honestly believes, whatever her original intentions, that Morrigan wants what is best for the child.

[Giggles_Manically]

Nice blog above, reminds me of my first time almost, and how many things I walked into.

Alistair really cheesed me off by the end of my first game, and oh boy was I tempted to tell him fine go and be a hero, you turd at the end.



Mainly thanks to you guys I did try his romance and read more into him, than just what I saw.



It is wierd that the straight romances in DA are the most difficult ones really.

[Sarah1281]

Yankee23 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

My mage would go with the intention of returning to Alistair with the kid.

Where does Morrigan fit into this? Was she planning on stealing Morrigan's child because she likes Alistair better?

Frankly, yes. It's his child too that for all anyone knows Morrigan is planning to use as a pawn or a body in training for her own gain. In my warden's mind Morrigan is not doing this for the joy of being a mother, he is a means to an end nothing more. My warden is fiercely protective of Alistair's happiness and if she has an opportunity to give him the family he has always wanted, she will take it. Just to provide a little more understanding - my warden never got along with Morrigan and is not a bad person (she is actually very sweet) but she is very protective and will do anything guarantee the happiness and protection of those that she loves, including Alistair's child. Since I don't thnk she would actually kill Morrigan to accomplish this it's probably not the best of ideas and if successful, much mayhem will ensue.

My HNF on the other hand, has hopes that she can convince her friend to stay in contact with the intention of eventually trying to convince Morrigan that her and Alistair can provide the child a better life or at the least allow Alistair to be a part of his life. She honestly believes, whatever her original intentions, that Morrigan wants what is best for the child.

No, I don't know why anyone would think that someone who fully intends to kidnap a child from its mother because she doesn't like her and to give it to the father that she's in love with is a horrible person at all.

Edit: Seriously, all the talk about 'OMG, I feel so bad for Alistair because he won't ever get to know his baby and that will make him sad so I will do the exact same thing to Morrigan and thus all will be right in the world!' is really, really stupid. And hypocritical. It's Morrigan's child, too. If you wanted to hunt her down and force her to let Alistair be a part of the kid's life then that's one thing. Stealing her baby makes you no better than her in this situation and, imo, worse because before the baby was even conceived the father signed away all rights to it.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 08 septembre 2010 - 10:53 .

[Zjarcal]

I don't think stealing the OGB will play nicely for the Warden who decides to do that. I also find it a nasty thing to do, considering that Morrigan didn't force you to do the DR. If one is so concerned about the baby the best thing would've been to simply turn down the ritual and bite the bullet.

[Addai]

Argh, posted in the wrong thread. Anyway, what I was saying was... If someone thrust a baby into Alistair's arms and said "he's yours, here you go," I imagine he would make do. But otherwise I don't think Alistair would want to see, let alone raise, Morrigan's baby. I imagine that as long as she's not up to no good with the child, Alistair would be happier to forget the whole sordid business ever happened. So no stealing OGB for my Wardens. They'd worry about the baby, but not seek it out unless it seemed like there was a reason to do so.

[Gilsa]

Yankee23 wrote...

Did anyone else fell like Morrigan's "change is coming" speech at the end was nothing more than a promo for DA2 and directed at those of us who are iffy about the changes being made?

I felt it was pretty much a super long commerical for DA2. Morrigan refused to answer questions to the warden that refused the dark ritual so I ran it a few more times with different characters only to discover that the message was basically 1) Flemeth is not what she seems (no **** sherlock) and 2) change is coming (again no **** sherlock). I wanted to know if my warden had made the right choice or not in the dark ritual. It was too late to do the dark ritual so just tell me what the big deal was, Morrigan. I paid seven dollars for a tap dance.

Despite all the changes for DA2, the lack of a dwarf PC, the dialogue wheel, whatever, I was excited and thrilled about DA2 coming out. I thought that with the Witch Hunt being the final DLC for our warden, we'd get some closure and go out with a bang, but I got a message that said "insert more money if you want to find out what happens in March 2011." It irritated me enough to wonder if I wanted to deal with more of this in DA2. The ME DLC was fantastic and blew everything out of the water so I am happy that something went right. =p

Addai67 wrote...

I was glad about the elven lore.  I did wish for something a little more in the Dalish area for Idun.  That mirror was so significant for her.  Even one line of dialogue about how much she'd lost there, how her life changed, would have been nice.  But I'm still glad they chose to give the Dalish origin some love.

I was totally thinking of you during this. I was wondering if dalish elves got something extra (yay!) and was thinking how sweet it must have been for ya.

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Did anyone attack Morrigan? I found it really harsh.

I did on my canon. She had been played by Bhelen, dealt with the fallout, lost Alistair at Landsmeet, and then Morrigan shows up in her room to reveal that she's been harboring a secret all along. Tries to goad her into doing the ritual lest Loghain get all the glory and wouldn't say why the ritual was so damn important. My dwarf told her to sod off. I spent all that time tracking her down to have her cop an attitude with me, tell me tough, she wasn't going to say why she wanted the archdemon's soul, and that I had to buy DA2 to find out anything else. So I was faced with the prospect of her sauntering off scot-free even after the deception and games she pulled to get to that point. She was Flemeth's daughter and neither of them were being straight up with me. I killed Flemeth for Morrigan to no avail. Damn straight I was going to punch her one-way ticket into the mirror. Pretty sure she isn't going to die, but it's not like my warden is going to be around in DA2 for Morrigan to get revenge on later. (For what it's worth, I do have a dwarf warden that went through the mirror with Morrigan. Just saying what my canon did.)

Siduri wrote...

So, I had to write a whole long blog post gushing about Alistair and wrestling with the different decisions in the game.

http://shannon.users...et/blog/?p=1223

I'd be really interested to hear about other players' different experiences, especially on your first playthroughs...

This was a fantastic read!!

[Lady Jess]

Gilsa wrote...


I felt it was pretty much a super long commerical for DA2. Morrigan refused to answer questions to the warden that refused the dark ritual so I ran it a few more times with different characters only to discover that the message was basically 1) Flemeth is not what she seems (no **** sherlock) and 2) change is coming (again no **** sherlock). I wanted to know if my warden had made the right choice or not in the dark ritual. It was too late to do the dark ritual so just tell me what the big deal was, Morrigan. I paid seven dollars for a tap dance.

Despite all the changes for DA2, the lack of a dwarf PC, the dialogue wheel, whatever, I was excited and thrilled about DA2 coming out. I thought that with the Witch Hunt being the final DLC for our warden, we'd get some closure and go out with a bang, but I got a message that said "insert more money if you want to find out what happens in March 2011." It irritated me enough to wonder if I wanted to deal with more of this in DA2. The ME DLC was fantastic and blew everything out of the water so I am happy that something went right. =p

I have two Wardens left in Origins. My Dalish and my Brosca. One or both of these two are basically going to say "up yours" to Amaranthine. They'll go off to rebuild in Origins, hunt for Morrigan, The effin end. If either of them move on to Awakening, it'll be Brosca, after which maybe she'll hunt Morrigan...then again, maybe she won't. She'll have Zev,  a life with him at Gwaren...she really doesn't care much about anything outside of that little world to be honest.

[Yankee23]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

My mage would go with the intention of returning to Alistair with the kid.

Where does Morrigan fit into this? Was she planning on stealing Morrigan's child because she likes Alistair better?

Frankly, yes. It's his child too that for all anyone knows Morrigan is planning to use as a pawn or a body in training for her own gain. In my warden's mind Morrigan is not doing this for the joy of being a mother, he is a means to an end nothing more. My warden is fiercely protective of Alistair's happiness and if she has an opportunity to give him the family he has always wanted, she will take it. Just to provide a little more understanding - my warden never got along with Morrigan and is not a bad person (she is actually very sweet) but she is very protective and will do anything guarantee the happiness and protection of those that she loves, including Alistair's child. Since I don't thnk she would actually kill Morrigan to accomplish this it's probably not the best of ideas and if successful, much mayhem will ensue.

My HNF on the other hand, has hopes that she can convince her friend to stay in contact with the intention of eventually trying to convince Morrigan that her and Alistair can provide the child a better life or at the least allow Alistair to be a part of his life. She honestly believes, whatever her original intentions, that Morrigan wants what is best for the child.

No, I don't know why anyone would think that someone who fully intends to kidnap a child from its mother because she doesn't like her and to give it to the father that she's in love with is a horrible person at all.

Edit: Seriously, all the talk about 'OMG, I feel so bad for Alistair because he won't ever get to know his baby and that will make him sad so I will do the exact same thing to Morrigan and thus all will be right in the world!' is really, really stupid. And hypocritical. It's Morrigan's child, too. If you wanted to hunt her down and force her to let Alistair be a part of the kid's life then that's one thing. Stealing her baby makes you no better than her in this situation and, imo, worse because before the baby was even conceived the father signed away all rights to it.

One of the things I think is so great about this game is the vast potential to roleplay things very differently from playthrough to playthrough, including companion motives and opinions.

So, while personally I would agree with you, in my mage's scenario Morrigan has no affection for this child, it's a tool nothing more. My warden is finding it hard to live with the choice she/they made and wants to attempt to make it right by giving the child a loving and happy life along with easing any guilt that Alistair feels. Whether anyone thinks he has a right to feeings of guilt and regret about the situation doesn't effect whether or not he would actually have them. This is not a situation where someone is kidnapping a child from their loving mother to ease their own guilt. Nor is it a situation where she is taking the child because she personally doesn't like Morrigan. It is, in essence, a rescue. Perhaps, in hindsight, the dr was not the best of choices but all the possible ramifications did not make themselves clear in the 10 minutes thay had to decide to live or die. If I was better at fleshing out my warden's stories in my head, I might be able to paint a better picture.

[Axekix]

Gilsa wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Did anyone attack Morrigan? I found it really harsh.

I did on my canon. She had been played by Bhelen, dealt with the fallout, lost Alistair at Landsmeet, and then Morrigan shows up in her room to reveal that she's been harboring a secret all along. Tries to goad her into doing the ritual lest Loghain get all the glory and wouldn't say why the ritual was so damn important. My dwarf told her to sod off. I spent all that time tracking her down to have her cop an attitude with me, tell me tough, she wasn't going to say why she wanted the archdemon's soul, and that I had to buy DA2 to find out anything else. So I was faced with the prospect of her sauntering off scot-free even after the deception and games she pulled to get to that point. She was Flemeth's daughter and neither of them were being straight up with me. I killed Flemeth for Morrigan to no avail. Damn straight I was going to punch her one-way ticket into the mirror. Pretty sure she isn't going to die, but it's not like my warden is going to be around in DA2 for Morrigan to get revenge on later. (For what it's worth, I do have a dwarf warden that went through the mirror with Morrigan. Just saying what my canon did.)

Gilsa, I am disappoint. Having watched the Morri-shank on yt, I think it just might be the cruelest companion death in the series so far (although I'm sure she doesn't actually die so, meh). 

I guess it might not be so bad if your warden never befriended her or romanced her, but if they did... your warden is pretty much the first and only person she's trusted and opened up to in her entire life.  The look on her face when she realizes what's happening and is trying to make sense of it is just gut wrenching to me. 

[errant_knight]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Edit: Seriously, all the talk about 'OMG, I feel so bad for Alistair because he won't ever get to know his baby and that will make him sad so I will do the exact same thing to Morrigan and thus all will be right in the world!' is really, really stupid. And hypocritical. It's Morrigan's child, too. If you wanted to hunt her down and force her to let Alistair be a part of the kid's life then that's one thing. Stealing her baby makes you no better than her in this situation and, imo, worse because before the baby was even conceived the father signed away all rights to it.

Surely you can find a way to say that which isn't so unnecessarily rude. I'm not disagreeing with the content of your argument, but calling other people stupid and hypocritical crosses the line big time. There's no need for us to treat each other like that, whether we agree or not.

[Siduri]

Thanks for the nice comments everyone! I'm so glad to have found a thread full of so many people who understand my obsession with Alistair!

[Sarah1281]

errant_knight wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Edit: Seriously, all the talk about 'OMG, I feel so bad for Alistair because he won't ever get to know his baby and that will make him sad so I will do the exact same thing to Morrigan and thus all will be right in the world!' is really, really stupid. And hypocritical. It's Morrigan's child, too. If you wanted to hunt her down and force her to let Alistair be a part of the kid's life then that's one thing. Stealing her baby makes you no better than her in this situation and, imo, worse because before the baby was even conceived the father signed away all rights to it.

Surely you can find a way to say that which isn't so unnecessarily rude. I'm not disagreeing with the content of your argument, but calling other people stupid and hypocritical crosses the line big time. There's no need for us to treat each other like that, whether we agree or not.

I was calling the position stupid and hypocritical, not anyone who happens to hold it. Admittedly, I could have chosen a nicer word than 'stupid' but 'hypocritical' is a perfect fit for a position that says treating the father (really more like sperm donor) one way is horrible so the mother should be treated the exact same way to make things better for the father. Would 'double standard' have been a more diplomatic way of putting it?