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[Merilsell]

Axekix wrote...Having watched the Morri-shank on yt, I think it just might be the cruelest companion death in the series so far (although I'm sure she doesn't actually die so, meh). 

I guess it might not be so bad if your warden never befriended her or romanced her, but if they did... your warden is pretty much the first and only person she's trusted and opened up to in her entire life.  The look on her face when she realizes what's happening and is trying to make sense of it is just gut wrenching to me. 

This. I think even Alistair would have been shocked by your action if he were with you. And he hates her guts.

Actually I did that once to test all options available in that DLC and told her I'll kill her, but I'd never have expected that what happened next. I expected a fair fight or something to that account, but not a murder-knifing gut thing. I caught myself exclaiming and staring shocked at the screen as this happened. It was just cruel. The tidbit of music and the expressions in their faces was ...wow I reloaded for a better solution afterwards, needless to say.

Edit for ToP duty. Sad puppy eyes Alistair reuse:

Modifié par Merilsell, 09 septembre 2010 - 12:58 .

[Lady Jess]

Axekix wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Did anyone attack Morrigan? I found it really harsh.

I did on my canon. She had been played by Bhelen, dealt with the fallout, lost Alistair at Landsmeet, and then Morrigan shows up in her room to reveal that she's been harboring a secret all along. Tries to goad her into doing the ritual lest Loghain get all the glory and wouldn't say why the ritual was so damn important. My dwarf told her to sod off. I spent all that time tracking her down to have her cop an attitude with me, tell me tough, she wasn't going to say why she wanted the archdemon's soul, and that I had to buy DA2 to find out anything else. So I was faced with the prospect of her sauntering off scot-free even after the deception and games she pulled to get to that point. She was Flemeth's daughter and neither of them were being straight up with me. I killed Flemeth for Morrigan to no avail. Damn straight I was going to punch her one-way ticket into the mirror. Pretty sure she isn't going to die, but it's not like my warden is going to be around in DA2 for Morrigan to get revenge on later. (For what it's worth, I do have a dwarf warden that went through the mirror with Morrigan. Just saying what my canon did.)

Gilsa, I am disappoint. Having watched the Morri-shank on yt, I think it just might be the cruelest companion death in the series so far (although I'm sure she doesn't actually die so, meh). 

I guess it might not be so bad if your warden never befriended her or romanced her, but if they did... your warden is pretty much the first and only person she's trusted and opened up to in her entire life.  The look on her face when she realizes what's happening and is trying to make sense of it is just gut wrenching to me. 

I haven't done it, and probably wouldn't but I'd like to see the video...

[Merilsell]

There you go:

Morrigan murder-knifed

[Yankee23]

Siduri wrote...

So, I had to write a whole long blog post gushing about Alistair and wrestling with the different decisions in the game.

http://shannon.users...et/blog/?p=1223

I'd be really interested to hear about other players' different experiences, especially on your first playthroughs...

Lol, I loved this!!!!!!!!

[phaonica]

Axekix wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Did anyone attack Morrigan? I found it really harsh.

I did on my canon.

Gilsa, I am disappoint. Having watched the Morri-shank on yt, I think it just might be the cruelest companion death in the series so far (although I'm sure she doesn't actually die so, meh). 

I guess it might not be so bad if your warden never befriended her or romanced her, but if they did... your warden is pretty much the first and only person she's trusted and opened up to in her entire life.  The look on her face when she realizes what's happening and is trying to make sense of it is just gut wrenching to me. 

I've been reluctant to admit it, but I killed Morrigan in my canon, too. My character has been second guessing doing the DR this whole time, and then what little Morrigan revealed to her made the whole thing sound even worse...

  I expected a fair fight or something to that account, but not a murder-knifing gut thing. I caught myself exclaiming and staring shocked at the screen as this happened.

I was so sure that it would put me in combat with her or something, but nope. I was rather shocked by it, myself.

Modifié par phaonica, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:07 .

[Zjarcal]

There really is no logical reason to "kill" Morrigan. I suppose if you're playing a loose cannon character or a really cold hearted bastard, or something somewhere in between, then maybe it would fit them. But it would still be a "heat of the moment" type of decision, rather than a logical one.

It also makes Dog sad. :crying:

I really hope "dead" Morri shows up again to torment the Warden who attempts to kill her.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:04 .

[errant_knight]

Sarah1281 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Edit: Seriously, all the talk about 'OMG, I feel so bad for Alistair because he won't ever get to know his baby and that will make him sad so I will do the exact same thing to Morrigan and thus all will be right in the world!' is really, really stupid. And hypocritical. It's Morrigan's child, too. If you wanted to hunt her down and force her to let Alistair be a part of the kid's life then that's one thing. Stealing her baby makes you no better than her in this situation and, imo, worse because before the baby was even conceived the father signed away all rights to it.

Surely you can find a way to say that which isn't so unnecessarily rude. I'm not disagreeing with the content of your argument, but calling other people stupid and hypocritical crosses the line big time. There's no need for us to treat each other like that, whether we agree or not.

I was calling the position stupid and hypocritical, not anyone who happens to hold it. Admittedly, I could have chosen a nicer word than 'stupid' but 'hypocritical' is a perfect fit for a position that says treating the father (really more like sperm donor) one way is horrible so the mother should be treated the exact same way to make things better for the father. Would 'double standard' have been a more diplomatic way of putting it? 

You know it would.

[Axekix]

Zjarcal wrote...

There really is no logical reason to "kill" Morrigan. I suppose if you're playing a loose cannon character or a really cold hearted bastard, or something somewhere in between, then maybe it would fit them. But it would still be a "heat of the moment" type of decision, rather than a logical one.

It also makes Dog sad. :crying:

I really hope "dead" Morri shows up again to torment the Warden who attempts to kill her.

Me too!  Killing her because you regret the DR isn't  justifiable at all imo.  You agreed to it and owe your life (and/or Alistair's) to her.  Also (if you did the DR) you're esentially orphaning her child, since you have no way of finding it without Morrigan.  That's a lot to weigh on a "hunch" that her intentions for the future might  be bad.

Modifié par Axekix, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:13 .

[Siduri]

Just going to say, I didn't do the DR, but I can totally understand why someone would want to take the baby from Morrigan, and view it as basically an intervention from Ferelden Child Protective Services. That perspective makes a lot of sense to me. I don't think it's stupid at all.

[TotoroTori]

someone posted this in their status

thetorchonline.com/2010/08/24/the-poison-pen-alistair-from-dragon-age-origins-loses-his-virginity-18-million-times/

All I can say (and my character is....)

[Axekix]

Siduri wrote...

Just going to say, I didn't do the DR, but I can totally understand why someone would want to take the baby from Morrigan, and view it as basically an intervention from Ferelden Child Protective Services. That perspective makes a lot of sense to me. I don't think it's stupid at all.

The child isn't there with her, and the Warden who knifes her doesn't go through the portal (where I presume the child is).  It's more or less leaving the baby to die.

[Lady Jess]

Siduri wrote...

Just going to say, I didn't do the DR, but I can totally understand why someone would want to take the baby from Morrigan, and view it as basically an intervention from Ferelden Child Protective Services. That perspective makes a lot of sense to me. I don't think it's stupid at all.

Especially since she's basically taking the kid, to my best guess, to the Black City. between the "freedom for an ancient power" part of her DR request and "beyond this world and beyond the fade" from WH that's all I can think of. But it's a fair point, as mentioned above you can't likely find the child without her. I don't think it's stupid either. I don't think anyone's choices in THEIR games are stupid. We each have our own preferences and plans and rp for the game, none are any better or worse than someone elses.

Edit to add: Once I learned how to import and get the right dialog, and as much as I did enjoy the DLC...Man did it cheese me off that Alistair wasn't involved AT ALL for those that had HIM do the ritual.

Modifié par Lady Jess, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:27 .

[Siduri]

Yeah, knifing her definitely isn't a good way to achieve that goal.

[Siduri]

TotoroTori wrote...

someone posted this in their status

thetorchonline.com/2010/08/24/the-poison-pen-alistair-from-dragon-age-origins-loses-his-virginity-18-million-times/

All I can say (and my character is....)

That is HILARIOUS!

[rak72]

Just playing Devil's advocate - one could justify killing Mori because they think she is up to something incredibly evil, and needs to be stopped. One might also believe the OGB is somehing incredibly evil and needs to be dispatched with. I go back and forth belieing this and that Mori is actually good. Depends on your characters perspective, very different for my gals than for my guys. Some people execute Alistair, others get sick to their stomach at the thought - all perspective.

Modifié par rak72, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:28 .

[Axekix]

rak72 wrote...

Just playing Devil's advocate - one could justify killing Mori because they think she is up to something incredibly evil, and needs to be stopped. One might also believe the OGB is somehing incredibly evil and needs to be dispatched with. I go back and forth belieing this and that Mori is actually good. Depends on your characters perspective, very different for my gals than for my guys. Some people execute Alistair, others get sick to their stomach at the thought - all perspective.

If you're taking that stance then why do the DR in the first place?  She doesn't really give you any new information in the WH DLC.  Really her reunion is pretty much a rehash of the pre-DR conversation.  So what would have happened to convince your warden she's suddenly so unquestionably evil that you have to kill her in cold blood?
Also, WB LadyJess

Modifié par Axekix, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:33 .

[phaonica]

Axekix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
There really is no logical reason to "kill" Morrigan. I suppose if you're playing a loose cannon character or a really cold hearted bastard, or something somewhere in between, then maybe it would fit them. But it would still be a "heat of the moment" type of decision, rather than a logical one.
It also makes Dog sad.

I really hope "dead" Morri shows up again to torment the Warden who attempts to kill her.

Me too!  Killing her because you regret the DR isn't  justifiable at all imo.

If she'd told my character her heralding in change plan before, she wouldn't have agreed to the DR in the first place. So Bad Idea became Worse Idea. The deal was based on Morrigan's misinformation.
 

You agreed to it and owe your life (and/or Alistair's) to her.

Worse. Loghain's.

  Also (if you did the DR) you're esentially orphaning her child, since you have no way of finding it without Morrigan. 

You're right. If my character could have saved the child, she would have, but the opportunity wasn't there. edit: No, I take that back, there is a good chance this character wouldn't have spared the child, either, depending on what the situation was, especially if both Morrigan and Flemeth seem to want to use it like some kind of weapon.

That's a lot to weigh on a "hunch" that her intentions for the future might  be bad.

My character doesn't trust her intentions, no. Even less so than before. It's also true that my character could have made it worse. But if she'd let Morrigan walk, there would be no chance of stopping it at all.

Lady Jess wrote...
 I don't think anyone's choices in THEIR games are stupid. We each have our own preferences and plans and rp for the game, none are any better or worse than someone elses.

Agreed. Don't we always say that part of what makes characters interesting are their flaws, after all?

Modifié par phaonica, 09 septembre 2010 - 01:41 .

[Lady Jess]

Axekix wrote...

rak72 wrote...

Just playing Devil's advocate - one could justify killing Mori because they think she is up to something incredibly evil, and needs to be stopped. One might also believe the OGB is somehing incredibly evil and needs to be dispatched with. I go back and forth belieing this and that Mori is actually good. Depends on your characters perspective, very different for my gals than for my guys. Some people execute Alistair, others get sick to their stomach at the thought - all perspective.

If you're taking that stance then why do the DR in the first place?  She doesn't really give you any new information in the WH DLC.  Really her reunion is pretty much a rehash of the pre-DR conversation.  So what would have happened to convince your warden she's suddenly so unquestionably evil that you have to kill her in cold blood?
Also, WB LadyJess

My mage wanted to kill her when she went into her "You denied me!" speech, I swear to the maker...lol Thanks Axe:D.

I can see maybe a fem warden that saw Alistair die, could have a sort of mental break, transferring her guilt from denying the DR and Alistair dying into blame to Morrigan. Especially since the woman seemed to know a warden must die, and could have TOLD you this if you truly were as she said, her only friend. And having known earlier, had more time to consider the ritual, or even have had Alistair ALLOW the sparing of Loghain to use as Archie bait. Now that would have been some fun dialog!

[TotoroTori]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...

someone posted this in their status

thetorchonline.com/2010/08/24/the-poison-pen-alistair-from-dragon-age-origins-loses-his-virginity-18-million-times/

All I can say (and my character is....)

:lol:I now rename him "Ser gigolo"...


Welcome siduri. 

Oh Grumpy I love you!

[rak72]

Axekix wrote...

rak72 wrote...

Just playing Devil's advocate - one could justify killing Mori because they think she is up to something incredibly evil, and needs to be stopped. One might also believe the OGB is somehing incredibly evil and needs to be dispatched with. I go back and forth belieing this and that Mori is actually good. Depends on your characters perspective, very different for my gals than for my guys. Some people execute Alistair, others get sick to their stomach at the thought - all perspective.

If you're taking that stance then why do the DR in the first place?  She doesn't really give you any new information in the WH DLC.  Really her reunion is pretty much a rehash of the pre-DR conversation.  So what would have happened to convince your warden she's suddenly so unquestionably evil that you have to kill her in cold blood?
Also, WB LadyJess

I'm not saying that the warden is a paragon of virtue - they just wanted to survive the archdemon, and figured they would deal with Mori later.  Plus there are issues of jelousy for the fwarden about both the actal deed, and not being able to give Alistair a child. I didn't actualy want to shank her. After talking to her, I thought she was on the "good " side.  But my game was fubared with the DR bug, so I figured I would just see what would happen.  In a cannon game I would let her go.

[tuppence95]

TotoroTori wrote...

someone posted this in their status

thetorchonline.com/2010/08/24/the-poison-pen-alistair-from-dragon-age-origins-loses-his-virginity-18-million-times/

All I can say (and my character is....)

Funny!  


When I knifed Morrigan last night, it wasn't for any rp reasons.  I was just so furious at my endings getting screwed up, and I thought I'd get out of the current game with a bang.  I really thought she'd attack me and we'd fight.  The cutscene was so horrifying, I immediately replayed it without any violence ... even if the ending was wrong.

[Lady Jess]

Alistair has a stalker....

[Axekix]

Out of curiosity, how do those of you who had a Fem Warden like the way WH played out? Specifically those who had Alistair do the DR.



I've only done it with my MCousland, but it seems like Bioware kind of dropped the ball leaving Alistair out of this one.

[Yankee23]

Lady Jess wrote...

Axekix wrote...

rak72 wrote...

Just playing Devil's advocate - one could justify killing Mori because they think she is up to something incredibly evil, and needs to be stopped. One might also believe the OGB is somehing incredibly evil and needs to be dispatched with. I go back and forth belieing this and that Mori is actually good. Depends on your characters perspective, very different for my gals than for my guys. Some people execute Alistair, others get sick to their stomach at the thought - all perspective.

If you're taking that stance then why do the DR in the first place?  She doesn't really give you any new information in the WH DLC.  Really her reunion is pretty much a rehash of the pre-DR conversation.  So what would have happened to convince your warden she's suddenly so unquestionably evil that you have to kill her in cold blood?
Also, WB LadyJess

My mage wanted to kill her when she went into her "You denied me!" speech, I swear to the maker...lol Thanks Axe:D.

I can see maybe a fem warden that saw Alistair die, could have a sort of mental break, transferring her guilt from denying the DR and Alistair dying into blame to Morrigan. Especially since the woman seemed to know a warden must die, and could have TOLD you this if you truly were as she said, her only friend. And having known earlier, had more time to consider the ritual, or even have had Alistair ALLOW the sparing of Loghain to use as Archie bait. Now that would have been some fun dialog!

This here is really my HNF's biggest problem with Morrigan and the dr.  Her problem is that she is hurt that in the midst of everything else her friend springs this on her at the last minute. She tries to understand that Morrigan is new to this friend thing, but it hurts that her friend didn't give her more time to process the sacrifice that needed to be made, attempt to search out the details of the joining ritual so there could be more wardens and not leave to chance that her and Alistair may die before archie, give her and Alistair the time to adjust to the fact that Morrigan will bear his only child and they will never see it, etc... Morrigan's excuse that archie showed up so fast doesn't really cut it, she has had a year to talk to her about this. She suspects that the real reason is that Morrigan didn't want them to find an out. This isn't about killing Morrigan, this warden would never do that and still does consider her a friend, just thought I would share.