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[Giggles_Manically]

I liked Eamon in that scene, but I think he would be a little suprised by Alistair showing backbone here.

Oh a multi leveled Top fer smut tuesday!

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 09 septembre 2010 - 03:54 .

[ImpSlave]

Also one of the guys on my dorms does video editing and is making a tribute to his PC who did the US.
He wants to know if this song works for it (Male City Elf, Kinged Alistair, Romanced Leliana,):
Message to the Queen: 300 OST.

That's one of my favorite pieces from that soundtrack, it should work very nicely for a tribute video.

[Giggles_Manically]

ImpSlave wrote...

Also one of the guys on my dorms does video editing and is making a tribute to his PC who did the US.
He wants to know if this song works for it (Male City Elf, Kinged Alistair, Romanced Leliana,):
Message to the Queen: 300 OST.

That's one of my favorite pieces from that soundtrack, it should work very nicely for a tribute video.

It may take him awhile though.
But the story board he has laid out is really sad.

It shows his charachter Hafter's life and big moments in it.
I pointed him to Costin's work for some inspiration.

edit 300, may get alot of its facts wrong, and have some cheesy effects but its music is top notch.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 09 septembre 2010 - 03:57 .

[inclemency]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

ImpSlave wrote...

Also one of the guys on my dorms does video editing and is making a tribute to his PC who did the US.
He wants to know if this song works for it (Male City Elf, Kinged Alistair, Romanced Leliana,):
Message to the Queen: 300 OST.

That's one of my favorite pieces from that soundtrack, it should work very nicely for a tribute video.

It may take him awhile though.
But the story board he has laid out is really sad.

It shows his charachter Hafter's life and big moments in it.
I pointed him to Costin's work for some inspiration.

I could see that piece being used for a scene with the Warden after her love, Alistair, did the US, as well.

[Lady Jess]

Yankee23 wrote...

DA gives us all a base of information about our wardens and companions to do with what we will. I really enjoy hearing about how we all interpret them in different ways, especially post game where we have no specific info (approval loss, etc...). So I am going to attempt to throw a Alistair related topic out there.

What would your Alistair's choices/opinion of your choices be for Awakenings and why? What would he choose to do about the architect, would he defend the village or the keep, anything from Awakenings.

I definitely think he'd want the Architect dead either way. especially if in the time with Duncan he'd heard about him. Even hardened, I think smart darkspawn would equal trouble, no matter how good the argument he gives is. He'd never allow an entire nation to suffer the darkspawn taint, let alone possibly cause another blight since Architect admits the one we defeated was an oopsie on his part.

And When I had to choose between The Vifil and Amaranthine, I actually thought of him (I was on my queen cousland) and what he would do. Yeah, I know shocked me too. But I think he'd have agreed with me. I invested the gold, and materials and work into the keep so it COULD stand against an attack, why not let the work stand on it's own and save this city, and it's people who aren't as fortified.

[Addai]

Yankee23 wrote...

That's kinda why I asked. I didn't read the books and don't know too much other than bits and pieces picked up on the forums, but I believe Duncan was involved in this? How much, if anything may Duncan have told Alistair and would that influence him?

Duncan appeared not to have told Alistair much of anything.  He was busy trying to recruit before the Blight hit, but I also wonder if he knew/ suspected that Alistair could end up being royal heir and he did not want to let out too many GW secrets to someone who wasn't going to stay with the Wardens.  My thinking is that he conscripted Alistair to get him away from the templars, but realized he might not end up a full-time Warden- otherwise there would be no logic in keeping him out of battles.

[Giggles_Manically]

Lady Jess wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

DA gives us all a base of information about our wardens and companions to do with what we will. I really enjoy hearing about how we all interpret them in different ways, especially post game where we have no specific info (approval loss, etc...). So I am going to attempt to throw a Alistair related topic out there.

What would your Alistair's choices/opinion of your choices be for Awakenings and why? What would he choose to do about the architect, would he defend the village or the keep, anything from Awakenings.

I definitely think he'd want the Architect dead either way. especially if in the time with Duncan he'd heard about him. Even hardened, I think smart darkspawn would equal trouble, no matter how good the argument he gives is. He'd never allow an entire nation to suffer the darkspawn taint, let alone possibly cause another blight since Architect admits the one we defeated was an oopsie on his part.

And When I had to choose between The Vifil and Amaranthine, I actually thought of him (I was on my queen cousland) and what he would do. Yeah, I know shocked me too. But I think he'd have agreed with me. I invested the gold, and materials and work into the keep so it COULD stand against an attack, why not let the work stand on it's own and save this city, and it's people who aren't as fortified.

I saved the city too.
Even if you lose the keep, you can rebuild it.

The loss of an entire city isint very easy to replace.

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...
Guess I'm evil, but I really enjoy that part

We're both evil then. 

Much as I enjoyed Idun's playthrough, it was so nice to re-do Aedan's ending and see Alistair take the kingship.  Warden ending has one too many Anoras in it.  I just like King Alistair way too much.

Vivat Rex

[Yankee23]

Lady Jess wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

DA gives us all a base of information about our wardens and companions to do with what we will. I really enjoy hearing about how we all interpret them in different ways, especially post game where we have no specific info (approval loss, etc...). So I am going to attempt to throw a Alistair related topic out there.

What would your Alistair's choices/opinion of your choices be for Awakenings and why? What would he choose to do about the architect, would he defend the village or the keep, anything from Awakenings.

I definitely think he'd want the Architect dead either way. especially if in the time with Duncan he'd heard about him. Even hardened, I think smart darkspawn would equal trouble, no matter how good the argument he gives is. He'd never allow an entire nation to suffer the darkspawn taint, let alone possibly cause another blight since Architect admits the one we defeated was an oopsie on his part.

And When I had to choose between The Vifil and Amaranthine, I actually thought of him (I was on my queen cousland) and what he would do. Yeah, I know shocked me too. But I think he'd have agreed with me. I invested the gold, and materials and work into the keep so it COULD stand against an attack, why not let the work stand on it's own and save this city, and it's people who aren't as fortified.

Mee too. I only played awakenings with my queen and that is exactly how she acted. She is queen and these are her people. As "official" commander she left court to assist the wardens but they were not her first priority, Fereldan was.

[Lady Jess]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

DA gives us all a base of information about our wardens and companions to do with what we will. I really enjoy hearing about how we all interpret them in different ways, especially post game where we have no specific info (approval loss, etc...). So I am going to attempt to throw a Alistair related topic out there.

What would your Alistair's choices/opinion of your choices be for Awakenings and why? What would he choose to do about the architect, would he defend the village or the keep, anything from Awakenings.

I definitely think he'd want the Architect dead either way. especially if in the time with Duncan he'd heard about him. Even hardened, I think smart darkspawn would equal trouble, no matter how good the argument he gives is. He'd never allow an entire nation to suffer the darkspawn taint, let alone possibly cause another blight since Architect admits the one we defeated was an oopsie on his part.

And When I had to choose between The Vifil and Amaranthine, I actually thought of him (I was on my queen cousland) and what he would do. Yeah, I know shocked me too. But I think he'd have agreed with me. I invested the gold, and materials and work into the keep so it COULD stand against an attack, why not let the work stand on it's own and save this city, and it's people who aren't as fortified.

I saved the city too.
Even if you lose the keep, you can rebuild it.

The loss of an entire city isint very easy to replace.

Exactly my thoughts. There was what, a whole 6 or 7 of us living at the keep? We can find a place pretty easy while we rebuilt. I didn't care for the way wardens were portrayed in the wardens fall videos, and other things that portray them as willing to sacrifice others to reach their goal, and refuse to play mine that way.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Axekix wrote...
That is a huge assumption to make with such little information.  If anything Flemeth is apparently the one to be concerned with, meaning Morrigan's plans may or may not be the only way to deal with her. 

Only if you believe her. If you don't trust her, you have no reason to believe her and can think that she is distracting you with Flemeth.

Axekix wrote...
 By that philosophy, any  action could be justified based on personal perspective, which is clearly ridiculous.  Most laws are based around ethical arguments at their core and for good reason.  You can choose to disagree but if you go and kill someone in cold blood that doesn't make you any less of a murderer.

You are confusing morality with legality. I am not talking about laws, which may or may not be based on ethical principles.
Whether that murder is justified or not is another question entirely.

Axekix wrote...
Well I'm certain there are laws in Fereldan as well.  It is interesting you say you would report him, (submitting him to investigation and due process), but are arguing in favor of simply murdering Morrigan. 

We don't have the option. And Morrigan would just blow up common Ferelden law enforcers anyways. Or not allow you to take her away in the first place.

Axekix wrote...
If the Warden is so concerned about her, why not turn her in to the Chantry when the DR is offered?  She could be made tranquil.  Why let her leave, then spend a year hunting her down, just to kill her personally?  That sounds less like an action done out of concern for the future and more out of self indulgence.  Wouldn't it at least be worth knowing  if she's truly guilty of anything before deciding to take her life?

Again, option not given. And give her to the chantry? That's hardly finding out whether she is guilty or not as the Chantry will kill her for simply being an apostate.
The Chantry is hardly =representative of a rule of law.

And if I know Morrigan, she would rather die than be subjected to their judgement and be tranquilised.

As much as she has shown us, yes.  I'm not sure what this is supposed to imply.  Morrigan wants power, but I wouldn't classify her as evil.

Nor would I and that's besides the point. others might view her as evil.

Axekix wrote...
Morrigan already knows some blood magic from her time with Flemeth.  The DR is blood magic, and from what we see of Morrigan in the fade, she's not one who is easily fooled by demonic mind games.

Still can be seen as dangerous. She doesn't have to allow herself to be controlled by demons to not be dangerous.

Axekix wrote...
From the way she described it, the change coming was more attributed to Flemeth's plans than hers.

If you don't trust her, you have little reason to believe her.

Again, an unsubstantiated suspicion of someone is a very flimsy argument in favor of killing them, especially when you are close to the person to some degree.  I feel like we're going around in circles.

In your opinion. Morrigan's actions in Origins and her pursuit of things that historically are dangerous can be enough to substantiate the supicion of some. It's not enough for you, neither are they for me. For others, this is more than enough.

Yes we are going in circles. Which I feel is really unnecessary. I am not trying to argue against your morality. Nor am I saying I like that choice, I hate it and will never do it. That does not mean that I see all people who do pick it as "evil" or unjustifiable (I think it's unjustified from my perspective, but can be justifiable depending on perspective).  

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

yukidama wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I'd like to add that arguing for killing Morrigan is much harder than I thought...

Lol, now you know how we feel

Except none of you actually tried arguing for executing Alistair  

Not true.  I said I could understand doing that if you wanted to give Anora a little wedding present, some extra security for her throne.  I just didn't see the logic of executing him for "desertion."

And you are belittling that choice by making it look like we only do it to please Anora. But, we've already discussed taht at great length, so won't get into it.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
And you are belittling that choice by making it look like we only do it to please Anora. But, we've already discussed taht at great length, so won't get into it.

It's not the Warden who suggests executing Alistair, you're just agreeing with Anora (according to how the game has it set up).  You could go along because you agree with her on her argument - i.e., Alistair poses a threat to her throne-  not just because you're trying to please her.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:24 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
And you are belittling that choice by making it look like we only do it to please Anora. But, we've already discussed taht at great length, so won't get into it.

It's not the Warden who suggests executing Alistair, you're just agreeing with Anora.  You could go along because you agree with her on her argument (i.e., Alistair poses a threat to her throne), not just because you're trying to please her.

Or you could have completely different reasons in mind when agreeing with the decision.
This could be punishment to a percieved desertion. Or simply not liking him and wanting him dead.

But Anora's reasons for wanting him dead are not imposed on the player. They can have their own reasons.
 

[Collider]

Heh, I don't really have the heart (or lack of) to have my friend executed. Alistair acted emotionally at the Landsmeet for sure, but I wouldn't have him killed over it. That said, my canon playthrough has Alistair kill Loghain.

[Addai]

It's not very smutty and most have probably seen this, but it's cute and things have been heavy around here lately.

[Giggles_Manically]

Ha nice pic.



Hardened Alistair seems angry that you wont make him king, while sparing Loghain.

Unhardened Alistair is more angry that Loghain isint being punished.



Thats what I see in that scene.

Also I would let Alistair go at that point, executing someone for that isint what I would do. Its not really deserting, just someone getting pushed over the edge. I can see why he would do it.

[Addai]

While I was browsing dA, I noticed that Louvette revised the Alistair picture of all Alistair pictures.  Something about the lighting.  The original was yummy enough for me, but here you go- I don't think this has been posted in the new thread yet and we should have christened it long ago.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Also I would let Alistair go at that point, executing someone for that isint what I would do. Its not really deserting, just someone getting pushed over the edge. I can see why he would do it.

I see it as desertion, no one told him to leave. He left of his own accord.
But again, that's depends on how you view things and how you viewed your relationship with him.

[Collider]

Part of it's just that I think the whole Grey Warden thing is sympathetic - in that people are forced to do the joining and become Wardens (or die) - especially if the rite of conscription is enacted. I do think think that Alistair should have bucked up and allowed Loghain to become a warden, if only for the sake of defeating the Blight, but I don't blame him for acting as he did. This was basically his father's murderer.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
And you are belittling that choice by making it look like we only do it to please Anora. But, we've already discussed taht at great length, so won't get into it.

It's not the Warden who suggests executing Alistair, you're just agreeing with Anora.  You could go along because you agree with her on her argument (i.e., Alistair poses a threat to her throne), not just because you're trying to please her.

Or you could have completely different reasons in mind when agreeing with the decision.
This could be punishment to a percieved desertion. Or simply not liking him and wanting him dead.

But Anora's reasons for wanting him dead are not imposed on the player. They can have their own reasons.
 

I realize that, it's just some of them seem more logical to me than others.  I was just pointing out that in our earlier discussions, some of us were saying that there were logical/ good reasons to execute Alistair from certain perspectives.

[Collider]

I see it as desertion, no one told him to leave. He left of his own accord.

But again, that's depends on how you view things and how you viewed your relationship with him.

And why should he be executed for desertion?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Collider wrote...
This was basically his father's murderer.

An interesting hypothetical situation just came up in mind. Suppose that Loghain killed Alistair. Do you think Duncan would kill him if he could have made him a Grey Warden? I think not.

[errant_knight]

Yankee23 wrote...

DA gives us all a base of information about our wardens and companions to do with what we will. I really enjoy hearing about how we all interpret them in different ways, especially post game where we have no specific info (approval loss, etc...). So I am going to attempt to throw a Alistair related topic out there.

What would your Alistair's choices/opinion of your choices be for Awakenings and why? What would he choose to do about the architect, would he defend the village or the keep, anything from Awakenings.

Alistair would kill the Architect if the PC wasn't there, and feel VERY strongly about the need to do so, if the PC was calling the shots. The intelligent darkspawn/warden blood would be enough. Finding out that the Architect started the blight would be an unnecessary clincher.

I think he's save the city. He'd feel like the soldiers, wardens, companions at the Vigil had a better chance of survival without him than the non-combatants in the city, and it would be like Lothering--only this time he could do something about it. He wouldn't just go back to the Vigil without trying to save them.

Justice would creep him out for, oh, so many reasons.

[Collider]

An interesting hypothetical situation just came up in mind. Suppose that Loghain killed Alistair. Do you think Duncan would kill him if he could have made him a Grey Warden? I think not.

Well anyone *can* be made a Grey Warden. Also, as we saw with Ser Jory, Duncan isn't the most forgiving sort.