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[tuppence95]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

ImpSlave wrote...

Also one of the guys on my dorms does video editing and is making a tribute to his PC who did the US.
He wants to know if this song works for it (Male City Elf, Kinged Alistair, Romanced Leliana,):
Message to the Queen: 300 OST.

That's one of my favorite pieces from that soundtrack, it should work very nicely for a tribute video.

It may take him awhile though.
But the story board he has laid out is really sad.

It shows his charachter Hafter's life and big moments in it.
I pointed him to Costin's work for some inspiration.

edit 300, may get alot of its facts wrong, and have some cheesy effects but its music is top notch.

I think that piece of music would work well.

I hope you'll let us see your friend's edit whenever he finishes it.  I do video editing for a living, and I'd love to do something for my character.  But of course, I rarely have time to do any editing for myself.  <_<


Re: the Architect ... I've read the books, and yes, he has an interesting plan.  But I still can't see Alistair being willing to go along with it.  

That "put her in the tower" scene with Anora ... I thought the same thing!  Yes, I do think she is having a sudden realization of just how much she underestimated him.  But even with that knowledge, I wonder how much it would have changed her actions?

Edit:  Gah!!!  Again?

ToP repeat of Ser SparkleNipple

Modifié par tuppence95, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:38 .

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Also I would let Alistair go at that point, executing someone for that isint what I would do. Its not really deserting, just someone getting pushed over the edge. I can see why he would do it.

I see it as desertion, no one told him to leave. He left of his own accord.
But again, that's depends on how you view things and how you viewed your relationship with him.

But then Riordian does say that you really dont "desert" the wardens.
Even if you leave you will be called into the Deep Roads in the end, of end up fighting DS somewhere.
I just let him go, and hoped that he would do something with his life after that.

However I dont think diving into every single flagon of booze you find helps anyone.
Mainly I do it since I hope to run across Drunk Alistair in DA2 now.

[errant_knight]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Collider wrote...
This was basically his father's murderer.

An interesting hypothetical situation just came up in mind. Suppose that Loghain killed Alistair. Do you think Duncan would kill him if he could have made him a Grey Warden? I think not.

Having killed all the grey wardens in Ferelden, and Cailan, as well as Alistiar? I think it's equally plausible that he would.

[cmessaz]

Lol, not to change the subject, but I just had an awesome conversation. I think  Alistair and Leliana are mad at me now.

Edit: engrish plz cme.

Modifié par cmessaz, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:41 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
I realize that, it's just some of them seem more logical to me than others.  I was just pointing out that in our earlier discussions, some of us were saying that there were logical/ good reasons to execute Alistair from certain perspectives.

Fair enough.

@ Collider.
Because desertion, especially one in the middle of a landsmeet weakens your own position as commander in a war and your credibility as commander is lost if you allow your men to leave whenever they wish it (and yes, I see Alistair as a subordinate, and I realise others don't. Depends on the character they play).

And before anyone comes up with Loghain, two things to consider:
A- the Landmseet doesn't believe your account of Ostagar, so looking weak in front of them is a non issue, they don't think Loghain deserted.
B- I personally do not see Loghain's retreat from Ostagar as a desertion, but a retreat with political and military considerations from a lost battle. Again, others might see it differently, depends on perspective.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:43 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Its funny to talk to someone on fire in a convo sometimes.

Othertimes its just silly.

[Lady Jess]

Collider wrote...

Part of it's just that I think the whole Grey Warden thing is sympathetic - in that people are forced to do the joining and become Wardens (or die) - especially if the rite of conscription is enacted. I do think think that Alistair should have bucked up and allowed Loghain to become a warden, if only for the sake of defeating the Blight, but I don't blame him for acting as he did. This was basically his father's murderer.

Father figure maybe, not father though. And it makes me wonder how close he and Duncan actually were. Because if it was a mutual closeness, SURELY he would know how Duncan actually became a warden. Which is alot like the way Loghain does. He killed the commander's fiance, she conscripted him pretty much as punishment. I wasn't able to finish a playthrough I had started with a blood mage that would spare Loghain on purpose. My only character that did that did it by accident, I pretty much have since retconned her reasons.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
But then Riordian does say that you really dont "desert" the wardens.
Even if you leave you will be called into the Deep Roads in the end, of end up fighting DS somewhere.
I just let him go, and hoped that he would do something with his life after that.

Except I don't really care if he goes to the calling. What I see is him leaving the frontlines where he is needed.

[Yankee23]

@ Addai those are two of my favorite pics! I wish someone would add the tatoo to a body mod, it would add a little extra smexy something.

[Addai]

I do think Duncan would have recruited Loghain.



Nice bit of lusty fanart

Modifié par Addai67, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:41 .

[CalJones]

Because he turns his back on the Wardens in their greatest time of need. Yes, he's angry, but it's a gut reaction, not a logical one. As God put it, he'll come to regret it later (if he isn't executed, of course).

[Collider]

@ Collider.

Because desertion, especially one in the middle of a landsmeet weaken your own position as commander in a war and your credibility as commander is lost if you allow your men to leave whenever they wish it (and yes, I see Alsitair as a subordinate, and I realise others don't. Depends on the character they play).



And before anyone comes up with Loghain, two things to consider:

A- the Landmseet doesn't believe your aco**** of Ostagar, so lookign weak in front of them is a non issue, they don't think Loghain deserted.

B- I personally do not see Loghain's retreat from Ostagar as a desertion, but a retreat with political and military considerations from a lost battle. Again, others might see it differently, depends on perspective.

Good points knight. I don't really agree with killing Alistair, but I can definitely see where you're coming from.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
But then Riordian does say that you really dont "desert" the wardens.
Even if you leave you will be called into the Deep Roads in the end, of end up fighting DS somewhere.
I just let him go, and hoped that he would do something with his life after that.

Except I don't really care if he goes to the calling. What I see is him leaving the frontlines where he is needed.

Would you stand beside someone in a war, if they he had been the one to leave all your friends and your mentor to die?
From his POV Loghain is the devil.

I dont usually have this happen though, Alistair marries Anora in most of my games, Loghain dies a Hero, and Fereldan has its golden Age.

Also I get to go off in search of Caramel pudding.
Everyone wins. cept Alistair really.

I wonder if he would rather die or marry Anora with a spared Loghain.
Be back later its lunch time for me!

[cmessaz]

*staying out of the Loghain argument*

Look! Alistair! Sorry not far enough for new smut.

[Collider]

Everyone wins. cept Alistair really.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Would you stand beside someone in a war, if they he had been the one to leave all your friends and your mentor to die?
From his POV Loghain is the devil.

So I should leave my people and not care if they die instead?
Of course I would stand besides him. I said it time and time again, if Alistair suggested making Howe a warden, I would not have left. I would have been very pissed off and angry. But I would not leave. There is much more at stake than this.

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I wonder if he would rather die or marry Anora with a spared Loghain.
Be back later its lunch time for me!

If Loghain lives?  I would say, die.  He gets no justice for Duncan, lives with b*tch on wheels reminding him of Loghain every day, and has to be king when he never wanted it.  The only thing that seems to be motivating him at that point is the idea that he'll get to thwart Anora at every turn (supposing a hardened Alistair).


More fanart.  Coloring is kind of odd, but nice otherwise.

[Collider]

Well I think it's a good point that Loghain, too, also deserted. It's not the same way as Alistair did, but it's still desertion. Should we allow the people of Ferelden to think that it's okay for a general to disobey the ruler of Ferelden?

Modifié par Collider, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:51 .

[Yankee23]

Addai67 wrote...
b*tch on wheels

LMAO.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Collider wrote...

Well I think it's a good point that Loghain, too, also deserted. It's not the same way as Alistair did, but it's still desertion. Should we allow the people of Ferelden to think that it's okay for a general to disobey the ruler of Ferelden?

Except the Landsmeet doesn't think that he deserted.
And I don't think he deserted. The way I see it, he saved half of Ferelden's army from a lost battle. And yes I believe generals can disobey their kings if they are as idiotic as Cailan for the sake of their country. 
Others might not, not suggesting that my opinion is absolute truth.  

And if you think tthat Loghain deserted, then it's already done and you couldnt' do anythign about it. Alistair's desertion was in progress and within your power to stop.

But I would really avoid having a Loghain debate here. It's getting tiresome.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:55 .

[tuppence95]

If Duncan had somehow survived Ostagar ... since he would have the knowledge of how an archdemon is killed, he would see the need for having as many Grey Wardens as possible.  I think he'd recruit Loghain, possibly with the intention of feeding him to the AD.  But if Duncan were still around, I doubt that Alistair would walk out, even if Loghain had left the battlefield and the other wardens had died.  I think he would've hated it, but he would have accepted it.

I do see Loghain's actions in Ostagar as desertion.  It looked like his troops were large enough to have possibly changed the outcome of the battle.  And I also don't believe that he left to save his men from a hopeless battle.  I think he left to insure that Cailan and probably Alistair died.

[Collider]

But I would really avoid having a Loghain debate here. It's getting tiresome.

Fair enough. Nice discussion we had, anyhow.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tuppence95 wrote...
I do see Loghain's actions in Ostagar as desertion.  It looked like his troops were large enough to have possibly changed the outcome of the battle.  And I also don't believe that he left to save his men from a hopeless battle.  I think he left to insure that Cailan and probably Alistair died.

I disagree compeltely. If Loghain wanted Cailan dead, he would have done so before Ostagar. And David Gaider already said Loghain did not want him dead, nor did he do all this to have him die.   

EDIT: of course your character doesn't know all this and so you can kill Loghain with those reasons in mind.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 septembre 2010 - 04:58 .

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So I should leave my people and not care if they die instead?
Of course I would stand besides him. I said it time and time again, if Alistair suggested making Howe a warden, I would not have left. I would have been very pissed off and angry. But I would not leave. There is much more at stake than this.

I agree. Being angry about recruiting Loghain is completely understandable. Hell, even leaving the Warden's party would be acceptable if he decided to stay and help with Arl Eamon and lead his armies. Basically, as long as he stayed and help in any sort of way, it would've been fine. As KoP pointed out, if Howe had been offered a place alongside the Wardens I would've flipped out too (and possibly attempted to kill Howe before he was made a Warden) but if he was eventually made one I wouldn't have abandoned everything.

I'm not a person who shares the view that a deserter should be executed, hence why I don't allow Alistair to be executed in the one game I spare Loghain. Whatever he does is up to him.

[Lady Jess]

Lyra isn't far enough to get smut. And frankly, I'm really going to TRY and not let the romance start until after Tamlen's part in the story ends. I forget which order that works best in. It's 3 treaties when he appears right? So it should go 3 treaties, attack, then urn...and closure. Hmm not sure she can wait that long. Anyhow, Caislyn (my canon mage...and possibly canon period) has full access to her king as chancellor so...she'll share the smut.