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[Merilsell]

tuppence95 wrote...

Schratty wrote...
I'm just saying Alistair is such a wonderful character that I want the romance to be sunshine and kittens

I would've liked that too.  But ... I think if Gaider had given us those sunshine endings, we probably wouldn't still be talking about Alistair 9+ months later.

This game's story is so brilliantly written.  There's so many layers to it.  I'm still finding things that make me go, "Ohhhhhhh!"

This.

I love the bittersweetness and the tragedy, the glimmer of total happiness in diversion with angst in DA. This is the content that makes a story vivid and palpable. Nothing is as it seems and I totally love that. If I'd want a shiny happy bunny ending with no obstacles at all, I would read twilight.

As for the Warden commander ending, the ending we got then is most appropiate for Alistair's character. In my FF to that ending, he is nothing more than duty anymore, a human shell who is barely functioning anymore outside of being Warden Commander .Unfixable broken. He simply has no one he can care for and no one who cares for him anymore. Even the wardening is just chore anymore. Though of course Sabreene has already said it so much better:

Death frees him, gives his life meaning, redeems him, and it's easy and
done, without all the pain and struggle of going on living in a world
that doesn't really fit the ideals he wants to keep. In my FF, he has to
come to terms with real life vs ideals, and it's a very bitter pill to
swallow. His burdens are great. And that's just if he's king. If he's
not king, and didn't do the sacrifice, and especially if your PC did,
then in his mind, he really has nothing to live for, he failed. It's
really so sad.

Exactly.*thumbs up*

In the terms of first romancing...I didn't knew he was romancable at all. I was stumbling like a headless chicken through Ferelden with my (now deleted) HNF and somehow spoke more with him, as suddenly the handsome option popped up.First I was all WTF, then I started to flirt and was instantly enthralled by his snarky humor and character. And completely sold was I as I got the rose. I think I even blushed.

Gawd, Gaider surely knows how to pull the strings.

ToP Edit: Here a NBA for the smutty needs: <3

Modifié par Merilsell, 12 août 2010 - 07:33 .

[Sarah1281]

tuppence95 wrote...

 I guess there are no truly happy endings for Alistair and the female warden.  

Even the HFN who becomes his queen will eventually have to deal with the heir issue.  I know they decide it doesn't really  matter, but I can see Eamon pressuring him to dump her after a few childless years.  Unless a miracle happens.  Or unless Alistair is really hardened enough to stand up to Eamon urging him to do his duty.

And even what I had envisioned to be the happiest ending didn't turn out that way.  I loved when Alistair and my mage went off together to rebuild the Grey Wardens.  And then she showed up at Vigil's Keep, and he stood her up!  

Please. If Eamon can't convince Cailan to ditch Anora (who we have no idea how he felt about and Anora herself won't even commit to liking Cailan all that much when you talk to her) then what makes you think Alistair would ditch his true love? If there's no miracle magic-baby then there's always the possibility of appointing, say, Fergus' kids as heirs or Alistair having a child with someone else.

[mellifera]

Sarah1281 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

 I guess there are no truly happy endings for Alistair and the female warden.  

Even the HFN who becomes his queen will eventually have to deal with the heir issue.  I know they decide it doesn't really  matter, but I can see Eamon pressuring him to dump her after a few childless years.  Unless a miracle happens.  Or unless Alistair is really hardened enough to stand up to Eamon urging him to do his duty.

And even what I had envisioned to be the happiest ending didn't turn out that way.  I loved when Alistair and my mage went off together to rebuild the Grey Wardens.  And then she showed up at Vigil's Keep, and he stood her up!  

Please. If Eamon can't convince Cailan to ditch Anora (who we have no idea how he felt about and Anora herself won't even commit to liking Cailan all that much when you talk to her) then what makes you think Alistair would ditch his true love? If there's no miracle magic-baby then there's always the possibility of appointing, say, Fergus' kids as heirs or Alistair having a child with someone else.

Yeah, this is my take on it as well... Eamon can go somewhere over there -->

[hollirae]

yukidama wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

 I guess there are no truly happy endings for Alistair and the female warden.  

Even the HFN who becomes his queen will eventually have to deal with the heir issue.  I know they decide it doesn't really  matter, but I can see Eamon pressuring him to dump her after a few childless years.  Unless a miracle happens.  Or unless Alistair is really hardened enough to stand up to Eamon urging him to do his duty.

And even what I had envisioned to be the happiest ending didn't turn out that way.  I loved when Alistair and my mage went off together to rebuild the Grey Wardens.  And then she showed up at Vigil's Keep, and he stood her up!  

Please. If Eamon can't convince Cailan to ditch Anora (who we have no idea how he felt about and Anora herself won't even commit to liking Cailan all that much when you talk to her) then what makes you think Alistair would ditch his true love? If there's no miracle magic-baby then there's always the possibility of appointing, say, Fergus' kids as heirs or Alistair having a child with someone else.

Yeah, this is my take on it as well... Eamon can go somewhere over there -->

WOOHOO we get Alistair and Eamon can go jump in Lake Callenhad!!!!!! Oh yeah no swimming allowed Oh well he tripped off the dock Really.  No I did not push him.  How dare you accuse me of something so draedfully intelligetn I mean mean and sadistic....

[Zeleen]

on the topic of first romance with Alistair... (sorry late)
I played a HNF warrior. on xbox, and was pleasantly surprised.. first time ever I had seen actual romantic scene in a game.. (never completed ME).. and was so enthralled.. I saved a special 1st night and replayed several times...

He (Alistair) is just so endearing..  leading up to romance .. during romance.. how can anyone refuse him?
Now of course on the PC the romance is much hotter! (modded nicely!)

**at work so can't post pic**

Modifié par Zeleen, 12 août 2010 - 08:06 .

[Schratty]

Merilsell wrote...

I love the bittersweetness and the tragedy, the glimmer of total happiness in diversion with angst in DA. This is the content that makes a story vivid and palpable. Nothing is as it seems and I totally love that. If I'd want a shiny happy bunny ending with no obstacles at all, I would read twilight.

You speak the truth But, c'mon, cut Bella some slack. She does have a difficult choice to make between "Sparkles" and "Abs". Haha jk

So, here's my contribution to [edit:] the smutfest ;D [end edit], a (very) quick sketch of Sexy Time Alistair...It was going to be more involved, but I got lazy...

Modifié par Schratty, 12 août 2010 - 08:18 .

[Sarah1281]

Necrophilia or bestiality...which would get her the most jail time? 

[Merilsell]

<3

I love this pic. That's awesome ...but of course naked Alistair can never be wrong. Heh.

[SurelyForth]

Schratty wrote...

You speak the truth But, c'mon, cut Bella some slack. She does have a difficult choice to make between "Sparkles" and "Abs". Haha jk

So, here's my contribution to Lamppost Thursday, a (very) quick sketch of Sexy Time Alistair...It was going to be more involved, but I got lazy...

Ummmm, yes.

Also, I approve so much of the nose. It's perfect!

Modifié par SurelyForth, 12 août 2010 - 08:11 .

[tuppence95]

Sarah1281 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

 I guess there are no truly happy endings for Alistair and the female warden.  

Even the HFN who becomes his queen will eventually have to deal with the heir issue.  I know they decide it doesn't really  matter, but I can see Eamon pressuring him to dump her after a few childless years.  Unless a miracle happens.  Or unless Alistair is really hardened enough to stand up to Eamon urging him to do his duty.

And even what I had envisioned to be the happiest ending didn't turn out that way.  I loved when Alistair and my mage went off together to rebuild the Grey Wardens.  And then she showed up at Vigil's Keep, and he stood her up!  

Please. If Eamon can't convince Cailan to ditch Anora (who we have no idea how he felt about and Anora herself won't even commit to liking Cailan all that much when you talk to her) then what makes you think Alistair would ditch his true love? If there's no miracle magic-baby then there's always the possibility of appointing, say, Fergus' kids as heirs or Alistair having a child with someone else.

I actually think Alistair would be easier for Eamon to convince than Cailan was.  Duty seems to be a very heavy issue for him.  As long as he's not pushed over the edge (Loghain), we've already seen that in some circumstances he's willing to put aside his own happiness and break his warden's heart in order to do his duty.  Cailan seemed much better at doing what he wanted to do ... probably because he didn't have all of his self-confidence drained out of him since childhood.  That conversation in Redcliffe where Eamon talked to the warden about Alistair like he wasn't in the room sent me into a rage that Bioware didn't give us a conversation choice where we could tell him off.  But yeah, I do think Eamon would try his best to manipulate Alistair, and I think there's some chance he would succeed.  

[Addai]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...
P.s - It is Smut Thursday, not Lamppost Thursday.

Sabreene said that innuendo and double entendre count.    Anyway, "smut" sounds like something I need to get off my shoe.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 août 2010 - 08:14 .

[Addai]

@Merilsell, who's the new Dalish guy?  *hides Sandi*

Also, thank you for the sizzling NBA.  A duel to the death was never so sexy.

[hollirae]

tuppence95 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

 I guess there are no truly happy endings for Alistair and the female warden.  

Even the HFN who becomes his queen will eventually have to deal with the heir issue.  I know they decide it doesn't really  matter, but I can see Eamon pressuring him to dump her after a few childless years.  Unless a miracle happens.  Or unless Alistair is really hardened enough to stand up to Eamon urging him to do his duty.

And even what I had envisioned to be the happiest ending didn't turn out that way.  I loved when Alistair and my mage went off together to rebuild the Grey Wardens.  And then she showed up at Vigil's Keep, and he stood her up!  

Please. If Eamon can't convince Cailan to ditch Anora (who we have no idea how he felt about and Anora herself won't even commit to liking Cailan all that much when you talk to her) then what makes you think Alistair would ditch his true love? If there's no miracle magic-baby then there's always the possibility of appointing, say, Fergus' kids as heirs or Alistair having a child with someone else.

I actually think Alistair would be easier for Eamon to convince than Cailan was.  Duty seems to be a very heavy issue for him.  As long as he's not pushed over the edge (Loghain), we've already seen that in some circumstances he's willing to put aside his own happiness and break his warden's heart in order to do his duty.  Cailan seemed much better at doing what he wanted to do ... probably because he didn't have all of his self-confidence drained out of him since childhood.  That conversation in Redcliffe where Eamon talked to the warden about Alistair like he wasn't in the room sent me into a rage that Bioware didn't give us a conversation choice where we could tell him off.  But yeah, I do think Eamon would try his best to manipulate Alistair, and I think there's some chance he would succeed.  

I think Eamon would succeed if the HNF was not there to Kick Eamon across Redcliff.  If you make Alistair the sole king the the rule would truelyt be help by Eamon.  I am sure that Eamon had this planned fr4om day one and Duncan came in and runied his plans, thne Loghain screwed over everybody and the warden save Eamon and then Poof Prize dog again!!!

[Merilsell]

Addai67 wrote...

@Merilsell, who's the new Dalish guy?  *hides Sandi*

Also, thank you for the sizzling NBA.  A duel to the death was never so sexy.

Umm that's Alonis. I was bored today, so after finally getting the battledress of the Leliana DLC (missed one piece at the first time), I went to the character creator and played around. Since I'm utterly bored by the HN- storyline atm and I didn't have an (elf ) dude so far, I fell back to my old Dalish-loving habits for the first male character. I try to game him opposide to my Lenya, so he's probably the 'world open- humans are great- happy' dude. Haven't figured it out yet, but he's still in the ruin and thinking Tamlen is stupid for going there. Rightfully so.

As the console player I am, I can't post screenies but in game he turned out to look a bit like the little brother of Ron  So the family legacy continues, I guess

Heh, my thoughts exactly. Actually, I have saved almost every pic of the old thread on my HDD, since I can't make my own. So there is no topic related need of Ali-pics I can't fulfill

[Addai]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

The reason it was called that in the first place, was to help give a clear warning to people who are sensitive. It was created by myself to encourage Alistair fans to stop posting naughty pics throughout the rest of the week. Sometimes it worked, barring the occasional Alistair Mutation or Nude Screenshot.

Heh, I missed all the background then.  Trying to stop nekkid photos on this... I mean, on that other ... thread is like damming the Niagara.  And why would you.  LOL  Do we really have anyone that sensitive??  Nvm, don't answer that.

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

The reason it was called that in the first place, was to help give a clear warning to people who are sensitive. It was created by myself to encourage Alistair fans to stop posting naughty pics throughout the rest of the week. Sometimes it worked, barring the occasional Alistair Mutation or Nude Screenshot.

Heh, I missed all the background then.  Trying to stop nekkid photos on this... I mean, on that other ... thread is like damming the Niagara.  And why would you.  LOL  Do we really have anyone that sensitive??  Nvm, don't answer that.

Well, it also helps if other people look at the computer screen (say you're at work or have small children coming by).

[LadyDamodred]

tuppence95 wrote...
I actually think Alistair would be easier for Eamon to convince than Cailan was.  Duty seems to be a very heavy issue for him.  As long as he's not pushed over the edge (Loghain), we've already seen that in some circumstances he's willing to put aside his own happiness and break his warden's heart in order to do his duty.  Cailan seemed much better at doing what he wanted to do ... probably because he didn't have all of his self-confidence drained out of him since childhood.  That conversation in Redcliffe where Eamon talked to the warden about Alistair like he wasn't in the room sent me into a rage that Bioware didn't give us a conversation choice where we could tell him off.  But yeah, I do think Eamon would try his best to manipulate Alistair, and I think there's some chance he would succeed.  

Keep in mind, when Alistair goes to break up with you, he says he's doing it now because if he waits, he's not going to be able to.  I think as soon as everything is done, there's no way he's letting the HNF be forced aside and he would tell Eamon to go jump in Lake Calenhad himself.  Especially a hardened Alistair, who's learned to grab some happiness for himself.

Dunno if I've posted this one yet:

[maxernst]

hollirae wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

 I guess there are no truly happy endings for Alistair and the female warden.  

Even the HFN who becomes his queen will eventually have to deal with the heir issue.  I know they decide it doesn't really  matter, but I can see Eamon pressuring him to dump her after a few childless years.  Unless a miracle happens.  Or unless Alistair is really hardened enough to stand up to Eamon urging him to do his duty.

And even what I had envisioned to be the happiest ending didn't turn out that way.  I loved when Alistair and my mage went off together to rebuild the Grey Wardens.  And then she showed up at Vigil's Keep, and he stood her up!  

Please. If Eamon can't convince Cailan to ditch Anora (who we have no idea how he felt about and Anora herself won't even commit to liking Cailan all that much when you talk to her) then what makes you think Alistair would ditch his true love? If there's no miracle magic-baby then there's always the possibility of appointing, say, Fergus' kids as heirs or Alistair having a child with someone else.

I actually think Alistair would be easier for Eamon to convince than Cailan was.  Duty seems to be a very heavy issue for him.  As long as he's not pushed over the edge (Loghain), we've already seen that in some circumstances he's willing to put aside his own happiness and break his warden's heart in order to do his duty.  Cailan seemed much better at doing what he wanted to do ... probably because he didn't have all of his self-confidence drained out of him since childhood.  That conversation in Redcliffe where Eamon talked to the warden about Alistair like he wasn't in the room sent me into a rage that Bioware didn't give us a conversation choice where we could tell him off.  But yeah, I do think Eamon would try his best to manipulate Alistair, and I think there's some chance he would succeed.  

I think Eamon would succeed if the HNF was not there to Kick Eamon across Redcliff.  If you make Alistair the sole king the the rule would truelyt be help by Eamon.  I am sure that Eamon had this planned fr4om day one and Duncan came in and runied his plans, thne Loghain screwed over everybody and the warden save Eamon and then Poof Prize dog again!!!

I don't think it was the plan since day 1, otherwise he wouldn't have been pushing Cailan to dump Anora.  He would have been happy with Cailan's failure to get an heir.  However, when opportunity knocks (Cailan's dead), Eamon's the sort of guy going to fling open the door and run through.  And yes, I think Alistair might be persuaded to dump the HN by Eamon.   Cailan may like Anora less than Alistair likes the PC, but he's more likely to do what he wants, and I don't expect Eamon has nearly as much pull with him.

Oh, thinking of soft Alistair--hard Alistair is a different story.

Modifié par maxernst, 12 août 2010 - 08:48 .

[Sarah1281]

maxernst wrote...

hollirae wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

 I guess there are no truly happy endings for Alistair and the female warden.  

Even the HFN who becomes his queen will eventually have to deal with the heir issue.  I know they decide it doesn't really  matter, but I can see Eamon pressuring him to dump her after a few childless years.  Unless a miracle happens.  Or unless Alistair is really hardened enough to stand up to Eamon urging him to do his duty.

And even what I had envisioned to be the happiest ending didn't turn out that way.  I loved when Alistair and my mage went off together to rebuild the Grey Wardens.  And then she showed up at Vigil's Keep, and he stood her up!  

Please. If Eamon can't convince Cailan to ditch Anora (who we have no idea how he felt about and Anora herself won't even commit to liking Cailan all that much when you talk to her) then what makes you think Alistair would ditch his true love? If there's no miracle magic-baby then there's always the possibility of appointing, say, Fergus' kids as heirs or Alistair having a child with someone else.

I actually think Alistair would be easier for Eamon to convince than Cailan was.  Duty seems to be a very heavy issue for him.  As long as he's not pushed over the edge (Loghain), we've already seen that in some circumstances he's willing to put aside his own happiness and break his warden's heart in order to do his duty.  Cailan seemed much better at doing what he wanted to do ... probably because he didn't have all of his self-confidence drained out of him since childhood.  That conversation in Redcliffe where Eamon talked to the warden about Alistair like he wasn't in the room sent me into a rage that Bioware didn't give us a conversation choice where we could tell him off.  But yeah, I do think Eamon would try his best to manipulate Alistair, and I think there's some chance he would succeed.  

I think Eamon would succeed if the HNF was not there to Kick Eamon across Redcliff.  If you make Alistair the sole king the the rule would truelyt be help by Eamon.  I am sure that Eamon had this planned fr4om day one and Duncan came in and runied his plans, thne Loghain screwed over everybody and the warden save Eamon and then Poof Prize dog again!!!

I don't think it was the plan since day 1, otherwise he wouldn't have been pushing Cailan to dump Anora.  He would have been happy with Cailan's failure to get an heir.  However, when opportunity knocks (Cailan's dead), Eamon's the sort of guy going to fling open the door and run through.  And yes, I think Alistair might be persuaded to dump the HN by Eamon.   Cailan may like Anora less than Alistair likes the PC, but he's more likely to do what he wants, and I don't expect Eamon has nearly as much pull with him.

Oh, thinking of soft Alistair--hard Alistair is a different story.

I honestly don't think even unhardened Alistair is that much of a doormat. Honestly, the HNF is one of the only good things about being a King as far as he's concerned.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Well, it also helps if other people look at the computer screen (say you're at work or have small children coming by).

I prefer to keep it NC-17 myself, but you have to assume that anytime you open this or any fan thread that you might see pixel butt or grappling.  I would think.

[Merilsell]

Ugh. Orzammar. Someone motivate me please to write this whole Harrowmont/Bhelen part. It's so tedious >__>

Even Lenya is bored by it 

Modifié par Merilsell, 12 août 2010 - 08:55 .

[mellifera]

Alistair would be happy if you did?

[Yankee23]

tuppence95 wrote...

I actually think Alistair would be easier for Eamon to convince than Cailan was.  Duty seems to be a very heavy issue for him.  As long as he's not pushed over the edge (Loghain), we've already seen that in some circumstances he's willing to put aside his own happiness and break his warden's heart in order to do his duty.  Cailan seemed much better at doing what he wanted to do ... probably because he didn't have all of his self-confidence drained out of him since childhood.  That conversation in Redcliffe where Eamon talked to the warden about Alistair like he wasn't in the room sent me into a rage that Bioware didn't give us a conversation choice where we could tell him off.  But yeah, I do think Eamon would try his best to manipulate Alistair, and I think there's some chance he would succeed.  

I see your point here about doing his duty, but I don't think he would agree to put aside the HNF later on. After the landsmeet Alistair and the HNF have the heir discussion and if he is hardened (don't know about unhardened) he agrees he deserves some happiness of his own. I don't see him coming back later after pressure from Eamon and saying "um...well sorry...I changed my mind, you need to pack your bags". This has already been settled between them. It's not a surprise later on if no child is conceived, it was expected. Now, imo, that addresses the "putting aside" issue only. Whether there is presure to find him a suitable surrogate is another story...