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[cmessaz]

@Lady J- She is your Amell? That's my canon mistress too

Top -.- have a recycled shot

Modifié par cmessaz, 09 septembre 2010 - 05:04 .

[Addai]

Lady Jess wrote...

Lyra isn't far enough to get smut. And frankly, I'm really going to TRY and not let the romance start until after Tamlen's part in the story ends. I forget which order that works best in. It's 3 treaties when he appears right? So it should go 3 treaties, attack, then urn...and closure. Hmm not sure she can wait that long. Anyhow, Caislyn (my canon mage...and possibly canon period) has full access to her king as chancellor so...she'll share the smut.

Hurrah for lusty chancellor mages. 

Here's mine.  Supposing I play Origins again, I'll probably re-play her game, this time without Morrigan hair.  It really freaks people out on YouTube.

[nos_astra]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Except the Landsmeet doesn't think that he deserted.

That's a generalization actually. Some nobles may believe you, some won't. You just can't proof that he deserted, he can't proof that he didn't. Your word against his.

[KnightofPhoenix]

klarabella wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Except the Landsmeet doesn't think that he deserted.

That's a generalization actually. Some nobles may believe you, some won't. You just can't proof that he deserted, he can't proof that he didn't. Your word against his.

The majority don't, as you lose points when you say that in the Landsmeet.

[Gilsa]

phaonica wrote...

What does she say if you didn't do the DR? I've been tempted to make a runthrough just to find out. Does she still talk about heralding change or whatever? Or does she refuse to say anything at all?

No DR

M: Not one step more or I am gone.
W: Hello to you, too, Morrigan.
M: I assume you know what this is. I have gone to great lengths to find and activate this portal. One false step and I am through, and beyond your reach for good.
W: Then why haven't you left, if that's true?
M: Truth be told, I waited this long because I was curious. Tell me: why did you come?
W: I came for answers.
M: Answers. We all want answers. I offered you a deal and you threw it in my face. Why should I answer any of your questions now?
W: (Persuade) What do you have to lose?
M: Always the charmer. Ask your questions, then, since you have traveled so far.
W: Why did you want the archdemon's soul?
M: Does it matter? You denied me, and survived even so. Well done. I imagine you believe my goal was a selfish one. Now you shall never know.
W: What is your plan? I want to know.
M: You think I would tell you now? After you denied me at Redcliffe? Think again. My plans are not half so villianous as you seem to think they are. Whether you believe me or not, it no longer matters.
W: Why did you betray me?
M: I did not betray you. I left, just as I said I would.
W: You lied to me all along.
M: Tis true I deceived you. I did not think the battle with the archdemon would come so soon. And when it did, I came to you. I had no other option. But you refused me, and that was the end of it so do not speak to me of betrayal.
W: No more questions.
M: Then allow me to provide you with a warning. Tis Flemeth you should beware of, not me. Hunt her, if you hunt anyone.
W: I'm tired of doing your dirty work.
M: I am asking you to do nothing except listen. I thought I knew what Flemeth planned. I thought what she craved was immortality. And yet I was wrong. So very wrong. She is no blood mage, no abomination ... she is not even truly human. You denied me the ritual, but it does not change what is to come.
W: Why? What is going to happen?
M: Change is coming to the world. But sometimes change is what they need most. Sometimes, change is what sets them free.
W: That's not an answer.
M: It is all I have to give. There is one last thing I must tell you, if you will allow me. I left you a gift. Now ... will you let me go?
W: Never! (Attack her.)


Orlesian warden

M: You, I do not know. Is there a reason you have come, Warden? Tis a long and dangerous journey for a social call.
W: I have been sent to find you.
M: I see. I assume you know what this is. I have gone to great lengths to find and activate this portal. One false step and I am through, and beyond your reach for good.
W: I didn't come here to fight you.
M: Good. Then you shall listen to my warning, instead. Tis Flemeth you should beware of, not me. Hunt her, if you hunt anyone.
W: Did she have something to do with the Blight?
M: Perhaps more than you would even believe. I thought I knew what Flemeth planned. I thought what she craved was immortality. And yet I was wrong. So very wrong. She is no blood mage, no abomination ... she is not even truly human. Go. Tell your Wardens to be wary. Tell them to watch for what is to come.
W: Why? What is going to happen?
M: Change is coming to the world. But sometimes change is what they need most. Sometimes, change is what sets them free.
W: That's not an answer.
M: It is all I have to give. There is one last thing I must tell you, if you will allow me. I left you a gift. Now ... will you let me go?
W: Go then. (Let her go.)
M: I am sorry. For everything.

Modifié par Gilsa, 09 septembre 2010 - 05:26 .

[Lady Jess]

cmessaz wrote...

@Lady J- She is your Amell? That's my canon mistress too

Top -.- have a recycled shot

Yep, tis my Amell, I really really love her. And being the kings girlfriend is pretty good for her ending. I mean really...he's not gonna bother getting married, and even if Eamon tried he'd find himself and the girl itching for some myterious reason...lalala

[cmessaz]

LOL I like the way you think Lady J

[tuppence95]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...
I do see Loghain's actions in Ostagar as desertion.  It looked like his troops were large enough to have possibly changed the outcome of the battle.  And I also don't believe that he left to save his men from a hopeless battle.  I think he left to insure that Cailan and probably Alistair died.

I disagree compeltely. If Loghain wanted Cailan dead, he would have done so before Ostagar. And David Gaider already said Loghain did not want him dead, nor did he do all this to have him die.   

EDIT: of course your character doesn't know all this and so you can kill Loghain with those reasons in mind.

Oh, I hadn't seen that.  I had just seen the last Q&A that Gaider did where it looked to me with his eyebrow and sarcastic tone, that this was exactly what Loghain wanted.  I knew that he said Loghain didn't want Eamon dead, but not Cailan.

And my character had seen that crumpled letter in RtO and had a good idea of why Loghain wanted Cailan permanently out of the picture.

BTW, I am definitely not in the hate-Loghain camp.  I think he's one of the most interesting characters in the game.  But for me, it's because he is so flawed and so tragic.  He cares so much about keeping Ferelden safe.  But his obsession with Orlais causes him to do horrible things in order to protect his country, and some of those things almost bring about its complete destruction.  And he knows it at the end.  

But to bring this back to Alistair ... Loghain took everything from him.  I don't even think he minds his execution that much.  He no longer has his "family" or his "father" or even his love.  In a way, they are similar.  Execution for Alistair could be a blessing because it would put him out of his misery since he thinks he has nothing left to live for.  For Loghain, I think by the end of the Landsmeet, he is beginning to realize what a mistake he has made for Ferelden.  He's seeing that the warden or a hardened Alistair are not Cailan and could've been the right ones to rule.  He doesn't know yet just how wrong he could've been if he had succeeded in destroying the GW, but he doesn't seem to fight against the execution either.  And yes, I think it's pretty awful for a daughter to see her father executed right in front of her.  But Anora is tough as nails.  And she believed her father was ready to have her put to death.  I don't think seeing him die crushed her spirit.

Anyway, I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been said by others.  And since I've been interrupted by work 3 times while typing this, I hope it makes sense.  

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont like the Landsmeet that much.

Its everyone at their greediest, craziest, and worst.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tuppence95 wrote...
Oh, I hadn't seen that.  I had just seen the last Q&A that Gaider did where it looked to me with his eyebrow and sarcastic tone, that this was exactly what Loghain wanted.  I knew that he said Loghain didn't want Eamon dead, but not Cailan.

And my character had seen that crumpled letter in RtO and had a good idea of why Loghain wanted Cailan permanently out of the picture.

Gaider said he didn't in the old Loghain defense thread and that his decision to leave at Ostagar was made the moment the beacon was lit (he had prepared for the possibility regardless). But he did not do it to kill Cailan, but in his mind to save Ferelden from a percieved lost battle and an Orlesian invasion. 

And of course, your character doesn't know that, so yea you can think he did all this to kill Cailan. My character didn't.

tuppence95 wrote...
/ snip
And since I've been interrupted by work 3 times while typing this, I hope it makes sense.

It does make sense and thank you for taking the time to share your views on Loghain. Tis interesting 
  

[tuppence95]

cmessaz, if they ever update the toolset for dlc, would you be interested in giving us a nicer cutscene at the end of WH?

I would love to see:

Male who goes through the mirror with Morrigan - have dog follow or have Finn take him.
Females who have LIs get a cut scene returning home to King or Warden Alistair, Zev or Leliana

I would have been so much more satisfied with this final dlc if it didn't leave us hanging.

[Giggles_Manically]

I am going to wait for a patch before trying to play WH.

[Collider]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I dont like the Landsmeet that much.
Its everyone at their greediest, craziest, and worst.

I liked the landsmeet well enough. It was the Archdemon battle that I pretty much disliked.

[tuppence95]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...
Oh, I hadn't seen that.  I had just seen the last Q&A that Gaider did where it looked to me with his eyebrow and sarcastic tone, that this was exactly what Loghain wanted.  I knew that he said Loghain didn't want Eamon dead, but not Cailan.

And my character had seen that crumpled letter in RtO and had a good idea of why Loghain wanted Cailan permanently out of the picture.

Gaider said he didn't in the old Loghain defense thread and that his decision to leave at Ostagar was made the moment the beacon was lit (he had prepared for the possibility regardless). But he did not do it to kill Cailan, but in his mind to save Ferelden from a percieved lost battle and an Orlesian invasion. 

And of course, your character doesn't know that, so yea you can think he did all this to kill Cailan. My character didn't.

tuppence95 wrote...
/ snip
And since I've been interrupted by work 3 times while typing this, I hope it makes sense.

It does make sense and thank you for taking the time to share your views on Loghain. Tis interesting 
  

  And thank you for being so diplomatic instead of telling me you think I'm full of crap.  

[Giggles_Manically]

Collider wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I dont like the Landsmeet that much.
Its everyone at their greediest, craziest, and worst.

I liked the landsmeet well enough. It was the Archdemon battle that I pretty much disliked.

I actually liked that battle.
I wish there had been more to kill though. There were just to few and only for the absolute hardest parts of the battle did I call in any aid.

[Addai]

Sad smut drawing.  Looks like an "instead of the DR" kind of scene.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 septembre 2010 - 05:40 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

tuppence95 wrote...
  And thank you for being so diplomatic instead of telling me you think I'm full of crap.  

lol No no, I was sincere. I did think it's interesting and I agree with a lot of it.

[Addai]

Nice one.

[inclemency]

It's interesting to speculate on Alistair's reaction at the Landsmeet if Duncan had already told him what happens when the Archdemon dies. Could we actually have had a party with both Alistair and Loghein? And how would those conversations go? How fun would that be?



And other problems in camp...

Warden (pointing at the offender): YOU, over by Morrigan, and YOU (pointing at the other offender), sit next to Schmooples when not in my tent.

[Giggles_Manically]

Wasent there left over notes in the toolset that refer to Loghain and Alistair being in the party at the same time?

Sorta like the remenants of the Loghain Fade Dream?

[Zjarcal]

inclemency wrote...

It's interesting to speculate on Alistair's reaction at the Landsmeet if Duncan had already told him what happens when the Archdemon dies. Could we actually have had a party with both Alistair and Loghein? And how would those conversations go? How fun would that be?

And other problems in camp...
Warden (pointing at the offender): YOU, over by Morrigan, and YOU (pointing at the other offender), sit next to Schmooples when not in my tent.

Some of us tried to come up with that, not sure if you'll think it's any good, but have a look:

http://social.biowar...8482/14#4681085

[Sarah1281]

There's this moment where, after Alistair says "put her in the tower", he turns away and she stands looking at him for a bit. I like to think she's seeing what a big miscalculation she made in underestimating him. Of course, it's probably more like "how did an idiot like you steal my precious throne."

What did he do to prove that she underestimated him at that point (regardless of whether she is)? Kill her father? Have you like him/want to control him enough to make him King?

Well anyone *can* be made a Grey Warden. Also, as we saw with Ser Jory, Duncan isn't the most forgiving sort.

That's not a lack of forgiveness on his part. It's a matter of him not wanting secrets to get out and, at that point, Jory knows too much to live. Regardless of whether or not Duncan should have handled it better prior to that.

[Addai]

Excuse my artspam, I just have to pull them off dA when I see them.  I'm so glad people are still drawing Alistair.  I'll be sad when it all turns into DA2 stuff.

link

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Wasent there left over notes in the toolset that refer to Loghain and Alistair being in the party at the same time?
Sorta like the remenants of the Loghain Fade Dream?

I think the intent was to have you choose Alistair or Loghain, but earlier in the game?

[tuppence95]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...
  And thank you for being so diplomatic instead of telling me you think I'm full of crap.  

lol No no, I was sincere. I did think it's interesting and I agree with a lot of it.

Oh, ok!  Sorry.  

I'm running out of Alistair smut that I can post here, and I'm paranoid after being told by photobucket that I was uploading inappropriate material with that Alistair thong/horned helm pic.  So I decorated this one.