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[maxernst]

Lady Jess wrote...

Lyra has such a good poker face, that Alistair must pick up the slack on expressiveness.

Hmm...maybe Lady Gaga is a Dragon Age: Origins protagonist--they specialize in the Easter Island Stoneface expression.  What origin story would she be?

[Axekix]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Axekix wrote...
That is a huge assumption to make with such little information.  If anything Flemeth is apparently the one to be concerned with, meaning Morrigan's plans may or may not be the only way to deal with her. 

Only if you believe her. If you don't trust her, you have no reason to believe her and can think that she is distracting you with Flemeth.

That doesn't make it any less of an assumption on the Warden's part when there is nothing  to suggest as much.

You are confusing morality with legality. I am not talking about laws, which may or may not be based on ethical principles.
Whether that murder is justified or not is another question entirely.

Not so much.  The two are intertwined, specifically in the example I'm using.  Laws are control, specifically because a society can't function without them.  I certainly wouldn't argue that all laws are just, but I think most would agree that laws protecting basic human rights, such as laws against murder, are.  If you're going to rationally claim a murder is "justified" you would need a very good reason to believe the victim posed a serious threat.  We have no such reason with Morrigan.

We don't have the option. And Morrigan would just blow up common Ferelden law enforcers anyways. Or not allow you to take her away in the first place.

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Again, option not given. And give her to the chantry? That's hardly finding out whether she is guilty or not as the Chantry will kill her for simply being an apostate.
The Chantry is hardly =representative of a rule of law.

The fact that those are not options is sort of tied to my argument.  The entire premise behind maliciously hunting Morrigan makes little sense, and when the DLC was first released I went on record as asking why "killing" her was even an option.  There's really no logical reason to do so other than the fact that there is no other option for handling the situation (in a case where you do not trust her) within game mechanics.  I doubt that would hold up under scruitny in from an RP perspective however.

Nor would I and that's besides the point. others might view her as evil.

A warden who never got to know her, perhaps.  In that case killing her would be less impactful.  Do you think anyone who has legitimately invested in her character would reach that conclusion?

Still can be seen as dangerous. She doesn't have to allow herself to be controlled by demons to not be dangerous.

Agreed, yet we have no indication of malevolent intent from her, and if anything, Morrigan is one of the least likely to be in danger of losing control in that regard.  She is already has blood magic, she already has shown a propensity to refuse to consort with demons.  While I know you are arguing hypothetically, what would you base the assertion that she's dangerous on? 

Axekix wrote...
From the way she described it, the change coming was more attributed to Flemeth's plans than hers.

If you don't trust her, you have little reason to believe her.

I was referencing the claim that Morrigan is looking to change the world.

In your opinion. Morrigan's actions in Origins and her pursuit of things that historically are dangerous can be enough to substantiate the supicion of some. It's not enough for you, neither are they for me. For others, this is more than enough.

Certainly people can do  whatever they want, but claiming an action is justifiable  is to claim said action is "right" based on the information at hand.  That requires more reasoning than simply appealing to perspective. 

Also for OT-ness:

[Merilsell]

The I-make-horrible-music-origin, perhaps? Playing it makes your ears bleeding. Similar to Anora's war speech.

However I love to see Lyra's story progress here and her non-expressions. Wish I could do screens of my playthrough. I bet she and Lenya would have a good time, ranting about "stupid shem's" and such

Tiny smut-offering:

Modifié par Merilsell, 09 septembre 2010 - 09:23 .

[Lanfaer01]

Lady Jess wrote...

Well most of the time...he seems to annoy her. I keep telling her he's her future love of her life but she's stubborn.

[snip]

It seems many Dalish elves are stubborn... Poor Alistair

[Addai]

Lanfaer01 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Well most of the time...he seems to annoy her. I keep telling her he's her future love of her life but she's stubborn.

[snip]

It seems many Dalish elves are stubborn... Poor Alistair

Alistair gets lots of Dalish booty around here (see top of previous page), so the shem boy can just tuck that lower lip back in.
Or... leave it out, since it's cute. 

Modifié par Addai67, 09 septembre 2010 - 09:43 .

[Merilsell]

Well... but they still melt so utterly in the end, I can tell I have my Dalish now in the "He is a doofus, but a harmless one"- phase. Concerning how much she hates humans, this is a big step forward for her, really

[tuppence95]

He'll be getting more dalish love from my new character too.   Sort of.  I'm cheating and using a mod to let me do a Dalish mage.  It'll be a double whammy for the poor chantry boy.

[Lanfaer01]

Merilsell wrote...

Well... but they still melt so utterly in the end, I can tell I have my Dalish now in the "He is a doofus, but a harmless one"- phase. Concerning how much she hates humans, this is a big step forward for her, really

that's what they do... My little Dalish mage will fail to resist him... I've seen it, but till now she refuses to believe me. 

[Addai]

YouTube commenter on tmp's elf mild scene 1, where Esra gives big A the lamppost treatment:

"Did she just do what I think she just did?"

Me:  "Enchantment!"

I love that scene. 

[Merilsell]

Enchantment, indeed xD

[KnightofPhoenix]

Axekix wrote...
That doesn't make it any less of an assumption on the Warden's part when there is nothing  to suggest as much.

She already decieved you once, to her own admittance, why couldn't she lie to you again?
Precedents can be suggestive. If someone lied to you once (or you htink they lied to you), you would be hardpressed to believe them the second time.

Not so much.  The two are intertwined, specifically in the example I'm using.  Laws are control, specifically because a society can't function without them.  I certainly wouldn't argue that all laws are just, but I think most would agree that laws protecting basic human rights, such as laws against murder, are.  If you're going to rationally claim a murder is "justified" you would need a very good reason to believe the victim posed a serious threat.  We have no such reason with Morrigan.

It's irrelevent in this situation because laws won't apply here. And if you want to use law as your argument, then Morrigan is an outlaw apostate that should be killed regardless. And "human rights" don't exist in that context. The concept of human right comes much later, so it cannot be applied in-game.
If you want to have a character that truly respects not only the law but also the norm and morality of the time, then that character must kill Morrigan for being a maleficarum.

Some people can have very good reasons to want to kill her. Her questionable ethics, her refusal to explain, her manipulating you before and her meddling with elements that historically have been proven to be dangerous. I already said that and I am repeating myself.

You will say we know nothing of her intent. But if someone doesn't trust her intent and knows what she is capable or willing to do in Origins, then that's enough for them.

A warden who never got to know her, perhaps.  In that case killing her would be less impactful.  Do you think anyone who has legitimately invested in her character would reach that conclusion?

No comment on that. I am certainly not going to impose my interpretation of the character. If they invested in her character and still saw her as "evil" and dangerous, then that's that.

I personally do not see Morrigan as any of that because of my own interpretation. 

Axekix wrote...
While I know you are arguing hypothetically, what would you base the assertion that she's dangerous on? 

Her what might be percieved as questionable ethics in Origins. 
And that historically speaking, Old Gods and tevinter mirrors =can be seen as dangerous things to meddle with.  Add her desire to change the world, in ways that she refuses to explain.

All three combined might be seen as dangerous.

Axekix wrote...
I was referencing the claim that Morrigan is looking to change the world.

And she does, the way she smiles when she says so and claims it will usher in freedom. If you don't trust her and question her moprality or straight up reject it, why would you feel ok with her planing to change the world using powers that have in the past caused disaster?  

Axekix wrote...
Certainly people can do  whatever they want, but claiming an action is justifiable  is to claim said action is "right" based on the information at hand.  That requires more reasoning than simply appealing to perspective. 

No, when I say "justifiable", I mean it's capable of being justified by a certain amount of people. It doesn't mean I think it's right. When I think something is right, I say "justified" and not "justifiable".

[Lady Jess]

Merilsell wrote...

The I-make-horrible-music-origin, perhaps? Playing it makes your ears bleeding. Similar to Anora's war speech.

However I love to see Lyra's story progress here and her non-expressions. Wish I could do screens of my playthrough. I bet she and Lenya would have a good time, ranting about "stupid shem's" and such

She's definitely making it interesting with that face...lol

I can see her and Lenya sitting in a corer of camp with some homemade wine snarking about the Silly chantry sister, templar boy and the witch:D

[Bratt1204]

Axekix wrote...

Also for OT-ness:

 *licks abs*  

[Bratt1204]

Merilsell wrote...

The I-make-horrible-music-origin, perhaps? Playing it makes your ears bleeding. Similar to Anora's war speech.

However I love to see Lyra's story progress here and her non-expressions. Wish I could do screens of my playthrough. I bet she and Lenya would have a good time, ranting about "stupid shem's" and such

Tiny smut-offering:

I thought this pic looked familiar 

[Addai]

Merilsell wrote...

Enchantment, indeed xD

Forging the moaning statue!  Oghren approves +10, +50 if he can see from his vantage point.

[cmessaz]

One of my many Cousland playthroughs. Wish I could get into a Dalish, but I always abandon them in Lothering I try! Same with Surana and my dwarves. I'll eventually finish them all.

Modifié par cmessaz, 09 septembre 2010 - 10:32 .

[inclemency]

After Witch Hunt came out, I figured I'd actually finish the Dalish I'd started a while back. I had RP'd her as not having use for humans, etc, what threw me a bit was the Dalish in WH who seemed so accepting of the partymembers, and was lighthearted and fun in the Tower.



...and it's Thursday

Modifié par inclemency, 09 septembre 2010 - 10:41 .

[TotoroTori]

I am too much of an Alistair/Cousland lover...and yes I am confessing this!I am trying to romance Alistair with another origin....but I just find them too cute....*blushes*

[Merilsell]

Lady Jess wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

However I love to see Lyra's story progress here and her non-expressions. Wish I could do screens of my playthrough. I bet she and Lenya would have a good time, ranting about "stupid shem's" and such

She's definitely making it interesting with that face...lol

I can see her and Lenya sitting in a corner of camp with some homemade wine snarking about the Silly chantry sister, templar boy and the witch:D

Yeah, exactly It would be a fun picture to behold, that's for sure.

Cute Ali/Mahariel doodle:


Link

[Gilsa]

Oh, just FYI for the Cousland fans. I forgot to recruit dog on my male warden so my explanation for having him was that the dog was a gift from Fergus Cousland for defeating the archdemon. The explanation is basically the same for an Orlesian for being appointed warden-commander (rather than defeat archdemon).

Edit: Added image because we like images.

Modifié par Gilsa, 09 septembre 2010 - 10:49 .

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

One of my many Cousland playthroughs. Wish I could get into a Dalish, but I always abandon them in Lothering I try! Same with Surana and my dwarves. I'll eventually finish them all.

Other than my Couslands, one female and one male, I've only finished the game with elves.  I tried replaying my fCousland and she's loitering in the Deep Roads.  I can only find motivation to play elves.  Does not bode well for Hawke.

[Addai]

Gilsa wrote...

Oh, just FYI for the Cousland fans. I forgot to recruit dog on my male warden so my explanation for having him was that the dog was a gift from Fergus Cousland for defeating the archdemon. The explanation is basically the same for an Orlesian for being appointed warden-commander (rather than defeat archdemon).

Aw, that's nice.  Good old Fergus.

[Merilsell]

Bratt1204 wrote...
I thought this pic looked familiar 

Yeah, I collected my way through the old thread, since I unfortunately cannot make my own smutty pics. So yeah....but I have a lot of Surely's NBA pics too :



See?

[Giggles_Manically]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

One of my many Cousland playthroughs. Wish I could get into a Dalish, but I always abandon them in Lothering I try! Same with Surana and my dwarves. I'll eventually finish them all.

Other than my Couslands, one female and one male, I've only finished the game with elves.  I tried replaying my fCousland and she's loitering in the Deep Roads.  I can only find motivation to play elves.  Does not bode well for Hawke.

I think I have the same issue as well.
I cant get into a human run since playing elves and dwarves so much.

[Merilsell]

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

One of my many Cousland playthroughs. Wish I could get into a Dalish, but I always abandon them in Lothering I try! Same with Surana and my dwarves. I'll eventually finish them all.

Other than my Couslands, one female and one male, I've only finished the game with elves.  I tried replaying my fCousland and she's loitering in the Deep Roads.  I can only find motivation to play elves.  Does not bode well for Hawke.

I have exactly one Cousland, but only because I deleted the first one and felt the need to play the origin without screwing everything up (oh teh miracles of the first playthrough, lol).

Others than that, I have finished the game 2x times with a F!Mahariel (canon), 1x M!Mahariel, 1x F!Tabris and 1x F!Surana, Now I'm on my third run with my canon F!Mahariel... and have yet another F!Surana waiting to get her templar become a Grey Warden.

Go figure. Lol,

Totally OT, but I've updated my behemoth of a FF. Now with an epic clash of Lenya and Brother Burkel. Will he get his chantry in Orzammar? Take a guess.

*end of shameless self advertisement*

Modifié par Merilsell, 09 septembre 2010 - 11:05 .