Axekix wrote...
If you ask her in Origins why she lied to you, she flat out tells you she didn't think you would believe her before. If you ask her again in WH, she says she thought she would have more time. Both reasons have some ground.
Both reasons could have been lies and excuses. Which once again, depends on whether you trust her or not.
Axekix wrote...
Could her credibility be doubted? Sure. Does that mean she is lying now? Is that proof of anything in this situation? Really this is the fundamental disagreement here. The entire notion that killing her can be justified on suspicion without any proof is exactly what i'm taking issue with. That is simply not a rational decision.
Suspicion with a strong basis (all the reasons I've repeated several times) can warrant action imo.
You don't think it's right and that's ok, I am not arguing against that. I fail to see why others have to share your opinion on the issue, or mine for that matter.
Axekix wrote...
The Warden's aren't law enforcement for the chantry, and even if they were I specifically stated above not all laws are just. That still doesn't address the idea that she deserves the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any kind of proof of intent. If you disagree with that on the most basic level, then there is really no reason to continue.
You speak as if I made that choice. I trust her.
Does that mean everyone else should?
There are characters who can not trust her at all however and have seen the worst of her and are thus under no obligation to give her the benefit of the doubt while they fear that many lives are at stake due to her meddling with dangerous things.
Axekix wrote...
I think we both are at this point, as none of this is nearly enough to warrant killing someone, particularly someone you are close to.
Again, you speak like I did it.
The Warden doesn't have to be close to her, nor trust her. And they can think it's more than enough. You can disagree, again I am not arguing against that at all. In fact, it's like we are arguing over nothing.
Axekix wrote...
Then that person would be taking action on her under the pretence of her guilt. That would be justified?
And the danger that she can represent to the whole world. They can be justified.
I wouldn't argee, I think it would be more constructive to follow her, but some don't have that option and some don't trust her enough to follow her.
If the change is attributed to Flemeth's master plan, which seems to be the implication in the way it is said, killing her would little to avert it.
Actualy, Morrigan is smiling when mentioning that change and seems quite pleased with it. So I doubt it's brought by Flemeth. And even if it is, Morrigan seems happy about it and claims that it will make peopel free.
And again, if you don't trust her, you have little reason to believe what she says about Flemeth, she could be distracting you and playing mind games, like she did before.
Axekix wrote...
Again, she says the DR was a means to an end, and implies the coming change is much bigger than either of you. Without knowing what that means, or if her death will even prevent it (assuming that it is even "bad") you think someone could have solid ground on which to kill her? That is nothing more than jumping to conclusions.
Yes, I do. Because we can't always afford to wait for the results or solid proof for us to act. Not when many lives are at stake.
All the proof some people need is:
- Morrigan's questionable ethics (not minding sacrificing elves for blood magic, wanting to cleanse the circle, being oblivious to redcliff's fate and dissaproving when you are helping..etc etc).
- Historical precendence. Old Gods supposedely taught Tevinters blood magic and with the song, they attract darkpsawn (corrupted or no). It's irrelevent whether it's a means or an end, the fact is she planned to use one. Tevinter Mirrors, anything associated with Tevinter can be seen as highly dangerous and those mirrors could have been the source of the Blight (which would explain why the one in the Dalish Origin was tainted).
- Her desire to change the world, which at least can be seen with concern. Made even more so if you think Morrigan is "evil".
All three combined provide solid enough ground for action, in order to stop a percieved "evil".
You think that's not enough and that's fine. Others might think it's enough.
You don't like their way of thinking, so be it. I am not trying to convince you.
Just trying to show the other side of the argument, who conveniently left me to defend their action lol
Axekix wrote...
Semantics aside, if something is justifiable it means that it can be shown to be reasonable or right. Morrigan's murder is neither of those with the information we have available.
In your opinion.
Other might and have disagreed.
While I personaly reject that choice compeltely, I can understand the reasons behind such a choice. That's all I am arguing for.
But apparently you feel strongly about this
Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:54 .
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