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[Giggles_Manically]

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Admist the sea of Squee KoP battles Axekix for power.
Two will stand, one will fall.
Whoever wins,... dosent really matter.
Maker help us all.

I think the only one falling here is Alistair

Falling...into my pants! 

TMI Lady D.



TOP: Alistair and Dain before Redcliffe.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:09 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Aww Alistair trying not to offend your dwarf Giggles?

[Yankee23]

Does anyone know if there is a way to re-use a head morph that was made with the in game character creator and not the toolset?



Here is a suggestion of lamp post licking to distract from my OT question.

[LadyDamodred]

lol, you think that's TMI?  You need to hang around with some of the people I do.

KoP:  It does make little sense, in that I am not actually wearing pants.  But I think Alistair would have a great time in them if I was. 

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aww Alistair trying not to offend your dwarf Giggles?

Not really.
Dain cant get offended that easily, and is used to everyone being taller than him.
I was trying to catch the kneeling animation but missed.

I think that Dain is having to much fun though, playing a hedonist is burning me out.
Dain actually likes Alistair more since both of them are booted out sons of kings.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:17 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
KoP:  It does make little sense, in that I am not actually wearing pants.  But I think Alistair would have a great time in them if I was. 

Oh?...good to know.
I guess he can still fall into your dress / skirt / suit of armor / under-garment...etc then.

And why is it everytime I come here something like that happens?  

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
KoP:  It does make little sense, in that I am not actually wearing pants.  But I think Alistair would have a great time in them if I was. 

Oh?...good to know.
I guess he can still fall into your dress / skirt / suit of armor / under-garment...etc then.

And why is it everytime I come here something like that happens?  

The Universe has few rules.
One of them being, the closer a female nears to KoP, the less clothes and inhibitions she has.

Its the opposite for me though.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Its the opposite for me though.

Riiiiight

[Axekix]

You speak as if I made that choice. I trust her.
Does that mean everyone else should?

It's not really an issue of trust though.  Her plans could just as easily be beneficial to the world.  We have little indication either way.  If you kill her (not you  personally but anyone who choses to) simply because you don't trust her, you are victimizing her.  That's not something easily justified.

There are characters who can not  trust her at all however and have seen the worst of her and are thus under no obligation to give her the benefit of the doubt while they fear that many lives are at stake due to her meddling with dangerous things.

The presumption of innocence has nothing to do with trust either.

Again, you speak like I did it.
The Warden doesn't have to be close to her, nor trust her. And they can think it's more than enough. You can disagree, again I am not arguing against that at all. In fact, it's like we are arguing over nothing.

I'm not saying you did it.  Nor am I saying people shouldn't choose whatever option they want.  Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I do think it is a mistake to claim that option can be justified through the twisting of events and assumptions alone.  If I chose to kill the prisoner in the camp at Ostagar for example, I'd pretty readily accept the fact that it wasn't based on any sort of rational, justifiable reason.  Sociopathic wardens may have no problem with knifing Morrigan at all, but lets at least call it what it is.

And the danger that she can represent to the whole world. They can be justified.
I wouldn't argee, I think it would be more constructive to follow her, but some don't have that option and some don't trust her enough to follow her.

This is more of a limitation of the game mechanics.  It would be nice if there were more options to resolve the situation, but I wouldn't argue that since "killing" her is the only option given it is the best one for a warden who doesn't trust her.

Actualy, Morrigan is smiling when mentioning that change and seems quite pleased with it. So I doubt it's brought by Flemeth. And even if it is, Morrigan seems happy about it and claims that it will make peopel free. 

And again, if you don't trust her, you have little reason to believe what she says about Flemeth, she could be distracting you and playing mind games, like she did before.

Absolutely, however we really don't have enough information either way.

Yes, I do. Because we can't always afford to wait for the results or solid proof for us to act. Not when many lives are at stake.
All the proof some people need is:
- Morrigan's questionable ethics (not minding sacrificing elves for blood magic, wanting to cleanse the circle, being oblivious to redcliff's fate and dissaproving when you are helping..etc etc).
- Historical precendence. Old Gods supposedely taught Tevinters blood magic and with the song, they attract darkpsawn (corrupted or no). It's irrelevent whether it's a means or an end, the fact is she planned to use one. Tevinter Mirrors, anything associated with Tevinter can be seen as highly dangerous and those mirrors could have been the source of the Blight (which would explain why the one in the Dalish Origin was tainted). 
- Her desire to change the world, which at least can be seen with concern. Made even more so if you think Morrigan is "evil".

All three combined provide solid enough ground for action, in order to stop a percieved "evil".

To intercede?  I would agree.  To kill her, (as that is the only option the game provides) I would say no.  But I suspect that is more of a plot point than anything.  She has to escape for whatever role she has left to play in DA, so the only way to take action is an attack which still sends her through the portal.

In your opinion.
Other might and have disagreed.
 
While I personaly reject that choice compeltely, I can understand the reasons behind such a choice. That's all I am arguing for.

But apparently you feel strongly about this

Hahaha, to an extent.  In part I just like a good debate, but we can drop it if you wish.  I doubt there's much more to be said here

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Its the opposite for me though.

Riiiiight

Art though mocking me dearest KoP?

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:27 .

[TotoroTori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
KoP:  It does make little sense, in that I am not actually wearing pants.  But I think Alistair would have a great time in them if I was. 

Oh?...good to know.
I guess he can still fall into your dress / skirt / suit of armor / under-garment...etc then.

And why is it everytime I come here something like that happens?  

oh you sure do know the drill don't you KoP?About the females wearing pants of course

[phaonica]

Axekix wrote...

You speak as if I made that choice. I trust her.
Does that mean everyone else should?

It's not really an issue of trust though.  Her plans could just as easily be beneficial to the world.  We have little indication either way.  If you kill her (not you  personally but anyone who choses to) simply because you don't trust her, you are victimizing her.  That's not something easily justified.

I'm curious to know if you killed Flemeth or not, and whether or not you find that to be justified.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Axekix wrote...
It's not really an issue of trust though.  Her plans could just as easily be beneficial to the world.  We have little indication either way.  If you kill her (not you  personally but anyone who choses to) simply because you don't trust her, you are victimizing her.  That's not something easily justified.

But if you truly believe that she is "evil", why would you think she is going to do something beneficial?

Tbh, even I doubt and am concerned over what she is trying to do, hence leaving with her. To hopefully be a moderating influence (though some would say I might make her worse lol).

Sociopathic wardens may have no problem with knifing Morrigan at all, but lets at least call it what it is.

I think that's a bit harsh, not all who do that have to be sociopaths.
Suffice to say I disagree, I don't think they have to be sociopaths to do so. I respect your opinion nonethless.

This is more of a limitation of the game mechanics.  It would be nice if there were more options to resolve the situation, but I wouldn't argue that since "killing" her is the only option given it is the best one for a warden who doesn't trust her.

Letting her go would be counter intuitive and basically missing your chance to prevent a percieved "evil" or threat.

Absolutely, however we really don't have enough information either way.

Which is precisely why I believe it all depends on trust. Since we have little info, if you trust her than you can follow her or let her go about her business (or if you don't care). If you sincerily believe that she is dangerous because you don't trust her, then you can opt to act.

To intercede?  I would agree.  To kill her, (as that is the only option the game provides) I would say no.  But I suspect that is more of a plot point than anything.  She has to escape for whatever role she has left to play in DA, so the only way to take action is an attack which still sends her through the portal.

Indeed. Not sure how she can be apprehended though. She could easily run through the portal during a fight and you'd miss your chance. A ruthless choice perhaps, but one can believe that this is an opportunity that cannot be missed.

Hahaha, to an extent.  In part I just like a good debate, but we can drop it if you wish.  I doubt there's much more to be said here

lol Yea that was fun.

I am just trying to be open minded as much as possible. I hesitated between going with her or leaving her. I never actually entertained the idea of killing her, wouldn't make any sense with my canon.

But yea, not sure if there is anything to add here.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:40 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

TotoroTori wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
KoP:  It does make little sense, in that I am not actually wearing pants.  But I think Alistair would have a great time in them if I was. 

Oh?...good to know.
I guess he can still fall into your dress / skirt / suit of armor / under-garment...etc then.

And why is it everytime I come here something like that happens?  

oh you sure do know the drill don't you KoP?About the females wearing pants of course

Oh I know all about that my dear

[KnightofPhoenix]

phaonica wrote...

Axekix wrote...

You speak as if I made that choice. I trust her.
Does that mean everyone else should?

It's not really an issue of trust though.  Her plans could just as easily be beneficial to the world.  We have little indication either way.  If you kill her (not you  personally but anyone who choses to) simply because you don't trust her, you are victimizing her.  That's not something easily justified.

I'm curious to know if you killed Flemeth or not, and whether or not you find that to be justified.

Huh, that is a good argument. Why haven't I thought of that? lol

[Merilsell]

tuppence95 wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...

and while your at it can we have some love making in the ever so sexy Deep Roads?

That would certainly make the deep roads easier to put up with!

Maricstair!  Maric sure did have a thing for loving in the Deep Roads.

Cuz nothing expresses love more than rolling on a tainted floor, next to a darkspawn corpse. Umm...yeah, how very romantic

Related Fanart:


THIS is how I imagine the Deep roads look like. Not like the actual "Disney" version in the game. I really liked Gaider's descriptions of it in TC <3 So it's a pity that they haven't designed it like that.

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Axekix wrote...

You speak as if I made that choice. I trust her.
Does that mean everyone else should?

It's not really an issue of trust though.  Her plans could just as easily be beneficial to the world.  We have little indication either way.  If you kill her (not you  personally but anyone who choses to) simply because you don't trust her, you are victimizing her.  That's not something easily justified.

I'm curious to know if you killed Flemeth or not, and whether or not you find that to be justified.

Huh, that is a good argument. Why haven't I thought of that? lol

I mean, she did fight back, but if she hadn't, would you have murderknifed her? For what reason? Because Morrigan told you to?

edit: not directed at you, specifically, just in general

Modifié par phaonica, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:46 .

[Zjarcal]

Yankee23 wrote...

Does anyone know if there is a way to re-use a head morph that was made with the in game character creator and not the toolset?

Yes there is. You can either copy the morph directly from one savefile to another, or you can actually create a .mor file from a saved game.

To copy one morph from a savefile to another, open a save from the character whose look you want to copy in the toolset. Then open the SAVEGAME_PLAYERCHAR structure, then SAVEGAME_PLAYERCHAR_CHAR, then look for the SAVEGAME_PLAYER_MORPH variable. You'll see a huge hexadecimal number as the value. Copy it and paste on the same location on the savefile for the new character with whom you want to use that morph.

If you want to create a .mor file from a savefile, follow this instructions:

http://www.dragonage...ticle.php?id=45

Modifié par Zjarcal, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:48 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Merilsell wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

TotoroTori wrote...

and while your at it can we have some love making in the ever so sexy Deep Roads?

That would certainly make the deep roads easier to put up with!

Maricstair!  Maric sure did have a thing for loving in the Deep Roads.

Cuz nothing expresses love more than rolling on a tainted floor, next to a darkspawn corpse. Umm...yeah, how very romantic

Related Fanart:


THIS is how I imagine the Deep roads look like. Not like the actual "Disney" version in the game. I really liked Gaider's descriptions of it in TC <3 So it's a pity that they haven't designed it like that.

Imagines it.
*Oghern voice* Hot..

[Axekix]

phaonica wrote...

Axekix wrote...

You speak as if I made that choice. I trust her.
Does that mean everyone else should?

It's not really an issue of trust though.  Her plans could just as easily be beneficial to the world.  We have little indication either way.  If you kill her (not you  personally but anyone who choses to) simply because you don't trust her, you are victimizing her.  That's not something easily justified.

I'm curious to know if you killed Flemeth or not, and whether or not you find that to be justified.

I have killed Flemeth.  As for whether it is justified... it is something I tend to grapple with.    It is different from the Morrigan situation in that you have a direct charge against her, (and if you believe Morrigan) you have proof.  At the same time she is someone who has saved your life and helped you escape Ostagar. 

I don't recall the entire conversation off the top of my head but I do remember asking her for the truth and being laughed off.  She doesn't contest Morrigan's claims, though she does hint that they may be incorrect.

It's a tough decision, but if you believe Morrigan's claim (I did) then I think it can be justified, in that you are saying you believe she will attempt to kill Morrigan in the future.  Also you go into it knowing you're not really killing her, which makes a difference.

[Zjarcal]

phaonica wrote...

I mean, she did fight back, but if she hadn't, would you have murderknifed her? For what reason? Because Morrigan told you to?

edit: not directed at you, specifically, just in general

I've always felt like a jerk for killing Flemeth. Evil entity or no, she saved my life. It's a bit of a ponce move to return the favor by killing her. Well, she's not really dead of course, but that was surely the intention.

I would say there's a difference between this and "killing" Morrigan in WH. Flemeth doesn't deny that she plans to take Morrigan's body and tries to convince you to lie to her. With Morrigan, she may not be giving any answers, but unlike with Flemeth, you don't have a strong lead that suggests she's going to do something terrible. You may think the DR will lead to terrible things, but there is no strong evidence to support the theory.

EDIT: Of course, this assuming you consider Flemeth's grimoire and Morrigan's story as "strong evidence".

Modifié par Zjarcal, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:59 .

[phaonica]

Axekix wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Axekix wrote...

You speak as if I made that choice. I trust her.
Does that mean everyone else should?

It's not really an issue of trust though.  Her plans could just as easily be beneficial to the world.  We have little indication either way.  If you kill her (not you  personally but anyone who choses to) simply because you don't trust her, you are victimizing her.  That's not something easily justified.

I'm curious to know if you killed Flemeth or not, and whether or not you find that to be justified.

I have killed Flemeth.  As for whether it is justified... it is something I tend to grapple with.    It is different from the Morrigan situation in that you have a direct charge against her, (and if you believe Morrigan) you have proof.  At the same time she is someone who has saved your life and helped you escape Ostagar. 

I don't recall the entire conversation off the top of my head but I do remember asking her for the truth and being laughed off.  She doesn't contest Morrigan's claims, though she does hint that they may be incorrect.

It's a tough decision, but if you believe Morrigan's claim (I did) then I think it can be justified, in that you are saying you believe she will attempt to kill Morrigan in the future.  Also you go into it knowing you're not really killing her, which makes a difference.

But other than what Morrigan claims, there is no proof that Flemeth has any intention of what Morrigan accuses her of. There is no proof that Flemeth intends any harm at all. You are basing your actions entirely upon whether or not you trust Morrigan, and that includes whether or not you trust that you are really killing Flemeth.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...
I would say there's a difference between this and "killing" Morrigan in WH. Flemeth doesn't deny that she plans to take Morrigan's body and tries to convince you to lie to her.
EDIT: Of course, this assuming you consider Flemeth's grimoire and Morrigan's story as "strong evidence".

She doens't deny, nor does she assert. She in fact suggests that you are being manipulated by Morrigan.
 
And once again, it all falls down to trust. If you don't trust Morrigan, you have little reason to believe her "evidence" that only she can read.

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
I would say there's a difference between this and "killing" Morrigan in WH. Flemeth doesn't deny that she plans to take Morrigan's body and tries to convince you to lie to her.
EDIT: Of course, this assuming you consider Flemeth's grimoire and Morrigan's story as "strong evidence".

She doens't deny, nor does she assert. She in fact suggests that you are being manipulated by Morrigan.
 
And once again, it all falls down to trust. If you don't trust Morrigan, you have little reason to believe her "evidence" that only she can read.

Exactly. It comes down to whom you trust, because the only "proof" is what they tell you is proof.

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
I would say there's a difference between this and "killing" Morrigan in WH. Flemeth doesn't deny that she plans to take Morrigan's body and tries to convince you to lie to her.
EDIT: Of course, this assuming you consider Flemeth's grimoire and Morrigan's story as "strong evidence".

She doens't deny, nor does she assert. She in fact suggests that you are being manipulated by Morrigan.
 
And once again, it all falls down to trust. If you don't trust Morrigan, you have little reason to believe her "evidence" that only she can read.

I know, that's what I was trying to point out with the edit I made. It all falls down to trust indeed.

But hey, I'm not getting into a long discussion like the one you're having with Axekix. I don't have the energy for it. Not to mention that I'm also secretly one of your minions, so I prefer to bow before your greatness!