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[CalJones]

I've seen the drunk slide. It's the last one, I think - I got that with unhardened Alistair.

I don't think you get it if he's hardened. (But then there is no point hardening Alistair unless you're going to crown him).

[SurelyForth]

Persephone wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

BTW, Anora will also betray you if you let her know you're planning on executing Loghain. It's the only time she calls for Alistair's death as well -- if he is calling for Loghain's death. She wants two things -- to be queen and for her father to be spared. So if Loghain is alive and she feels Alistair may kill him, she will want Alistair dead. If you make her solo queen after killing Loghain, she only asks for Alistair to swear fealty -- protecting her father is a moot point then.

That said, leaving her alive after she refuses to swear fealty is just asking for civil war.

I think it's VERY brave of her to defy Eamon (Whom I hate for many reasons). She sees Alistair as what he is, not meant to rule. And if keeping Anora alive is a mistake, then so is stopping Anora from having Alistair executed. (I always stop her)

Hardened Alistair is actually a very good ruler. Depending on who you are, he might actually be the ruler you want on the throne.

@ejoslin, I was under the impression that she doesn't call for Alistair's death when he's not king because he's a Grey Warden, not because of anything that has to do with Loghain being dead or alive. It's not until he says he's leaving the Wardens that she calls for his execution.

As for what Anora would or would not know about the Wardens, everyone should have a grasp on the fact that Wardens and Wardens alone can defeat Blights. As a monarch, it would behoove Anora to be knowledgeable on potential  threats to her kingdom and, since Blights can destroy countries if left unchecked, it should be something she knows about.

Much of the Warden' methodologies are kept secret, but the fact that they are the only things that have worked against Blights is fairly common knowledge.

[Persephone]

SurelyForth wrote...

Persephone wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

BTW, Anora will also betray you if you let her know you're planning on executing Loghain. It's the only time she calls for Alistair's death as well -- if he is calling for Loghain's death. She wants two things -- to be queen and for her father to be spared. So if Loghain is alive and she feels Alistair may kill him, she will want Alistair dead. If you make her solo queen after killing Loghain, she only asks for Alistair to swear fealty -- protecting her father is a moot point then.

That said, leaving her alive after she refuses to swear fealty is just asking for civil war.

I think it's VERY brave of her to defy Eamon (Whom I hate for many reasons). She sees Alistair as what he is, not meant to rule. And if keeping Anora alive is a mistake, then so is stopping Anora from having Alistair executed. (I always stop her)

Hardened Alistair is actually a very good ruler. Depending on who you are, he might actually be the ruler you want on the throne.

@ejoslin, I was under the impression that she doesn't call for Alistair's death when he's not king because he's a Grey Warden, not because of anything that has to do with Loghain being dead or alive. It's not until he says he's leaving the Wardens that she calls for his execution.

As for what Anora would or would not know about the Wardens, everyone should have a grasp on the fact that Wardens and Wardens alone can defeat Blights. As a monarch, it would behoove Anora to be knowledgeable on potential  threats to her kingdom and, since Blights can destroy countries if left unchecked, it should be something she knows about.

Much of the Warden' methodologies are kept secret, but the fact that they are the only things that have worked against Blights is fairly common knowledge.

Like it is common knowledge that they were exiled for trying to dethrone the king of Ferelden? Not to speak of the events in "The Calling"? No monarch will easily trust a secretive order that was already guilty of treason once. And Anora must have known of their dealings in The Calling, given whose daughter she is.

[SurelyForth]

Persephone wrote...
Like it is common knowledge that they were exiled for trying to dethrone the king of Ferelden? Not to speak of the events in "The Calling"? No monarch will easily trust a secretive order that was already guilty of treason once. And Anora must have known of their dealings in The Calling, given whose daughter she is.

Except for the fact that Duncan had very good relations with both Maric and, apparently, Cailan. And (and this is my biggest issue with Loghain) darkspawn were ravaging the country the entire time Loghain was screwing around letting Howe torture people and enslaving elves. Even if the Wardens were trying to overthrow her, when they were merely trying to end the war so they could end the Blight  (and they were going through the absolute correct channels and not doing anything underhanded to get Alistair on the throne), her country would be in ruins without them.

Instead of continuing to contribute to the deliquency of this thread, I will post an Alistair and move on:

Modifié par SurelyForth, 10 septembre 2010 - 01:55 .

[Persephone]

SurelyForth wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Like it is common knowledge that they were exiled for trying to dethrone the king of Ferelden? Not to speak of the events in "The Calling"? No monarch will easily trust a secretive order that was already guilty of treason once. And Anora must have known of their dealings in The Calling, given whose daughter she is.

Except for the fact that Duncan had very good relations with both Maric and, apparently, Cailan. And (and this is my biggest issue with Loghain) darkspawn were ravaging the country the entire time Loghain was screwing around letting Howe torture people and enslaving elves. Even if the Wardens were trying to overthrow her, when they were merely trying to end the war so they could end the Blight  (and they were going through the absolute correct channels and not doing anything underhanded to get Alistair on the throne), her country would be in ruins without them.

Duncan or no, he too didn't even tell his recruits what they needed to know. That Cailan never asked is typical. When Ostagar happened, it still looked like a huge raid. Duncan saying "With all my heart I believe this to be a Blight." won't convince anyone except Cailan. (Not my Warden, anyway) Dethroning a ruling queen is hardly not underhanded. Bringing a corrupt regent to justice is. But dethroning the queen to put a GW on the throne and to furtther Eamon's political agenda (The man who wanted Cailan to toss Anora aside & marry the Empress!) is VERY shady. Especially since Anora, as a queen, supports the Grey Wardens 100%. I always make her queen. Not only to spite Eamon. But for Alistair's sake as well.

[Bratt1204]

Merilsell wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...
I thought this pic looked familiar 

Yeah, I collected my way through the old thread, since I unfortunately cannot make my own smutty pics. So yeah....but I have a lot of Surely's NBA pics too :



See?

I say - "share the love" 

[Persephone]

A lovely, lovely Alistair video:

www.youtube.com/watch

[SurelyForth]

So your nascent Warden doesn't believe the Warden-Commander of Ferelden when he says that they're up against a Blight? Even though you see the Archdemon when you do the Joining?



And Anora doesn't support the Wardens 100% because she'll still betray them to save her father, even if they openly support her and she's knows what he's doing is wrong. But this isn't the Anora: Awesome or Vile? thread, so I'm going to stop using it as such. I shouldn't have gotten caught up in it in the first place.

[Persephone]

SurelyForth wrote...

So your nascent Warden doesn't believe the Warden-Commander of Ferelden when he says that they're up against a Blight? Even though you see the Archdemon when you do the Joining?

And Anora doesn't support the Wardens 100% because she'll still betray them to save her father, even if they openly support her and she's knows what he's doing is wrong. But this isn't the Anora: Awesome or Vile? thread, so I'm going to stop using it as such. I shouldn't have gotten caught up in it in the first place.

My Warden believes him AFTER the Joining. But no one else but the Wardens have these dreams. Can you blame her for wanting to save her FATHER? I was referring to her actions as QUEEN, after the Landsmeet.

[Yankee23]

inclemency wrote...

CalJones wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

But Anora is more concerned about her own welfare and that's that. IMO, she is not aware enough of the importance of Grey Wardens to ending the Blight (and she should be, if she's as excellent an administrator as she's supposed to be).

That's a little harsh given that even the Warden and Alistair aren't aware that only a warden can slay the archdemon.
It does seem that the lethality of the Joining is a poorly kept secret (Anora knows, presumably because Maric told Cailan who then blabbed it to Anora) but Wynne also mentions something about "you survived the joining" in one of her talks to the Warden.
The whole warden must kill the archdemon thing, though, seems to be a secret only the senior wardens are aware of. (Rather stupidly, in my opinion). Anyway...

Good to know the chantry thing is a lie (or a mod) at least.
I do think it would be a good thing to give her an epilogue, and a bit more choice on how to deal with her. I'd be inclined to let her remain teyrna of Gwaren out of compassion if nothing else (she has just lost everything, after all) but exile wouldn't be a terrible option - it'd give her the chance to start over somewhere else, at least. Some people seem to want the option to execute her. I think that's a little harsh given that she hasn't really done anything wrong, beyond fighting to maintain her position. (I also think executing Alistair is harsh, too. I've done it once on a character who wasn't terribly nice, but as a rule, if I'm not making him king, he gets exiled).

My PC, who is either in a relationship with, or marries Alistair would never go for Anora being Teyrna of Gwaren.  I usually play a Cousland, and either she will be Teyrna, if she doesn't marry Alistair, or someone trusted will be.  Anora cannot be trusted to be in that position anymore, as the same goes for her as she accused Alistair (uprisings in her name).  With the power of being Teyrna, that would be unacceptable.

Someone last night came up with Anora being sent to Vigil's Keep to administer things there under the watchful eyes of Wardens.  I thought that was a stroke of brilliance.

  

Thanks.

EDIT: If Alistair is hardened and he duels Loghain he takes the throne on his own, right? Does that mean you can't declare yourself queen if a HNF? I've never done it that way.

Modifié par Yankee23, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:20 .

[inclemency]

Persephone wrote...

A lovely, lovely Alistair video:

www.youtube.com/watch

Omg, I want to get that image of the Awakening Alistair in that video out of my head *argh*   He looked like Abe Lincoln, I am traumatized!

Yankee23 wrote...

inclemency wrote...

Someone last night came up with Anora being sent to Vigil's Keep to administer
things there under the watchful eyes of Wardens.  I thought that was a
stroke of brilliance.

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Thanks.

You are very welcome, sorry I didn't recall it was you...I plead extreme tiredness last night, and had Nurse Ratchett ordering me off to bed   [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Modifié par inclemency, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:26 .

[CalJones]

That's correct. No Princess Cous Cous for you.

[errant_knight]

Too bad about the Chantry slide being non existent. I thought it was a good solution, and far more of a life than Anora gives Alistair unless the PC convinces her otherwise--and not just convinces--has to use a boon. Anora seriously wants him dead. Ah, well!

I have to disagree that Anora is 'meant to rule.' She certainly thinks so, and she's learned to do so, but 'meant' is entirely subjective. I'd say Alistair is 'meant' to rule, and his rule is as good as hers--better if you think happy people are more important than diplomacy and a university.

There clearly needs to be an Anora thread, since this one has been Anora since last night.

So, do any of the other origins have trivializing nicknames, or just the female Coulsand?

Modifié par errant_knight, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:27 .

[Lanfaer01]

Yankee23 wrote...

EDIT: If Alistair is hardened and he duels Loghain he takes the throne on his own, right? Does that mean you can't declare yourself queen if a HNF? I've never done it that way.

If Alistair kills Loghain and is hardened he will take the throne on his own, except the player is a HNF, then you still can choose who gets the throne. All non HNF characters won't get this chance.

Modifié par Lanfaer01, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:29 .

[nos_astra]

Yankee23 wrote...
EDIT: If Alistair is hardened and he duels Loghain he takes the throne on his own, right? Does that mean you can't declare yourself queen if a HNF? I've never done it that way.

No, for a HNF it's safe to let him duel Loghain.

Edit: 'd!
Edit2: As ejoslin pointed out some posts below I'm also wrong.

Modifié par klarabella, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:31 .

[CalJones]

Well, as someone else said, she only asks for Alistair's death if he calls for Loghain's death - if Loggy's already dead she just asks him to swear fealty.

As for rulership, I see no reason to kick a competent, popular and respected queen off the throne in place of a newbie during a time of crisis. The best solution (if I'm not playing MCousland) is to marry them as they both have the qualities the other one lacks. The epilogue certainly seems to suggest that it works out well.

[CalJones]

Lanfaer01 wrote...
If Alistair kills Loghain and is hardened he will take the throne on his own, except the player is a HNF, then you still can choose who gets the throne. All non HNF characters won't get this chance.

Ah OK, didn't know that. My only HNF didn't get on with Alistair so he got to be a wandering drunk in that game.

[Persephone]

inclemency wrote...

Persephone wrote...

A lovely, lovely Alistair video:

www.youtube.com/watch

Omg, I want to get that image of the Awakening Alistair in that video out of my head *argh*   He looked like Abe Lincoln, I am traumatized!

AW, no, I don't see the resemblance. IMO he looks very dashing & kingly there.

[errant_knight]

I just started an Anora thread. Here ya go:
http://social.biowar...7/index/4752224

I love the bit where Alistair marched in at the head of the troops in Awakening. He does look very kingly. If only he didn't leave again....

Modifié par errant_knight, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:50 .

[ejoslin]

klarabella wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...
EDIT: If Alistair is hardened and he duels Loghain he takes the throne on his own, right? Does that mean you can't declare yourself queen if a HNF? I've never done it that way.

No, for a HNF it's safe to let him duel Loghain.

Edit: 'd!

Not exactly.  Only a HNF he's in love with.  Here are the conditions in order for a hardened Alistair NOT to take the crown automatically:

He's engaged to Anora
He's in love with a HNF

If you are at Adore OR if you are hoping for a political match, you must either have the engagement set up or have set up the marriage between him and Anora.

[CalJones]

Come on, Persephone, we're not wanted here. *sniff*

[Addai]

CalJones wrote...

Well, as someone else said, she only asks for Alistair's death if he calls for Loghain's death - if Loggy's already dead she just asks him to swear fealty.
As for rulership, I see no reason to kick a competent, popular and respected queen off the throne in place of a newbie during a time of crisis. The best solution (if I'm not playing MCousland) is to marry them as they both have the qualities the other one lacks. The epilogue certainly seems to suggest that it works out well.

A crisis she allowed to happen, which rather nerfs the "competent".  As for popular, Alistair is quite popular as ruler.  As for respected, we all get to see enough of Anora's true colors to know how much that's worth.

As I said yesterday, Vivat Alistair Rex.  That sums up my feelings on the matter.    I want a t-shirt that says that.

[phaonica]

errant_knight wrote...

Too bad about the Chantry slide being non existent. I thought it was a good solution, and far more of a life than Anora gives Alistair unless the PC convinces her otherwise--and not just convinces--has to use a boon. Anora seriously wants him dead. Ah, well!

I found this in the toolset:

"Queen Anora was sent away to live out the rest of her days in a cloister."
Description: Screenshot descriptions used by automatic screenshots 2da

I guess it's supposed to be the caption for a screenshot or something, but I don't know when or where or if it takes the shot.

[cmessaz]

ejoslin wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...
EDIT: If Alistair is hardened and he duels Loghain he takes the throne on his own, right? Does that mean you can't declare yourself queen if a HNF? I've never done it that way.

No, for a HNF it's safe to let him duel Loghain.

Edit: 'd!

Not exactly.  Only a HNF he's in love with.  Here are the conditions in order for a hardened Alistair NOT to take the crown automatically:

He's engaged to Anora
He's in love with a HNF

If you are at Adore OR if you are hoping for a political match, you must either have the engagement set up or have set up the marriage between him and Anora.

How do you set up the engagement?

[Lanfaer01]

errant_knight wrote...

I love the bit where Alistair marched in at the head of the troops in Awakening. He does look very kingly. If only he didn't leave again....

Edit: Addai was faster... anyway I hope you don't mind, if I'll leave the picture where it is

Modifié par Lanfaer01, 10 septembre 2010 - 02:59 .