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[errant_knight]

SurelyForth wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
...first to post Alicorn wins my undying love.

Here you go, Surely:

Now, to encourage dialogue:

I am a firm believer in the Fiona Is Alistair's Mom plot and  I am in the process of writing a scene that reuintes them (well, he finds out that she's his mother). I know how I'm taking it (since my scenario is quite specific) but I'm interested in reading about how others imagine him handling the news. Anger? Disbelief? Joy?

Damn Alicorn. I hate that thing.

Well, personally I think Fiona completely washed her hands of responsibility, if Alistair is her child. Maric did better, and that's saying something. I think he'd be very angry--If he believed it in the first place. And for a long time. Long. It's one thing to leave your child becausse you're dead. It's another to just leave them.

Modificata da errant_knight, 10 agosto 2010 - 04:12 .

[Addai]

DahliaLynn wrote...
Even if SV *was* commissioned to return dor DA2, do you  honestly believe he would reveal anything? I don't think Bioware would allow that.

Well, he's commented negatively (i.e. "Haven't heard anything") but probably wouldn't let any cats out of bags, true.

Not feeling the Elf-stair.  Not sure what it is about DA male elves that leaves me "meh."  The little heads and skinny necks- you can really tell that comparing Elf-stair to the real thing.



Ser Landry meets his end while the NPC companions stand around flriting with passers-by and looking bored.

[errant_knight]

LadyDamodred wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...


Now, to encourage dialogue:

I am a firm believer in the Fiona Is Alistair's Mom plot and  I am in the process of writing a scene that reuintes them (well, he finds out that she's his mother). I know how I'm taking it (since my scenario is quite specific) but I'm interested in reading about how others imagine him handling the news. Anger? Disbelief? Joy?

This is also something I will be tackling in my fic.  I'd imagine there's always a fair bit of disbelief, and then anger once he accepts it.  I'm not the kind of person who sees their reunion as being all flowers and rainbows.  I don't see them ever having the loving mother/child relationship.  I do see them eventually establishing some sort of relationship, but it would take time.  In my specific situation, there are some mitigating factors which might make it easier on both of them.  We'll see.

That being said, as we're not the author, this is all purely speculation. 

Actually, I agree with this entirely. Eventually, they would probably acheive some kins of detente, but not a familial realtionship. How long that would take would depend, and the level of strain would also.

[jenncgf]

If I was Alistair, regardless of how I'd handle Fiona being my mother, I'd be REALLY glad that Goldanna isn't my sister.

[Schratty]

Addai67 wrote...
Not feeling the Elf-stair.  Not sure what it is about DA male elves that leaves me "meh."  The little heads and skinny necks- you can really tell that comparing Elf-stair to the real thing.

Well, that's why I choose to romance Alistair It's a little hit-or-miss today. Maybe I should just stick to the requested theme of murder and dismemberment


@DahliaLynn: Now that you mention it, he kind of does, doesn't he? Hmm...Oh well :/

[Yankee23]

errant_knight wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
...first to post Alicorn wins my undying love.

Here you go, Surely:

Now, to encourage dialogue:

I am a firm believer in the Fiona Is Alistair's Mom plot and  I am in the process of writing a scene that reuintes them (well, he finds out that she's his mother). I know how I'm taking it (since my scenario is quite specific) but I'm interested in reading about how others imagine him handling the news. Anger? Disbelief? Joy?

Damn Alicorn. I hate that thing.

Well, personally I think Fiona completely washed her hands of responsibility, if Alistair is her child. Maric did better, and that's saying something. I think he'd be very angry--If he believed it in the first place. And for a long time. Long. It's one thing to leave your child becausse you're dead. It's another to just leave them.

Again, I think it would depend on his situation but being he is a grey warden (and proud of it) I think he would have some understanding of the choices Fiona had to make. And if he did the DR...

[Addai]

Schratty wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Not feeling the Elf-stair.  Not sure what it is about DA male elves that leaves me "meh."  The little heads and skinny necks- you can really tell that comparing Elf-stair to the real thing.

Well, that's why I choose to romance Alistair It's a little hit-or-miss today. Maybe I should just stick to the requested theme of murder and dismemberment

Oh it was still cute.    And I do like Zevran, but for his story rather than looks.  Of course, who knows what counts as kosher posting while the banhammer is swinging this wildly.  I vote you don't stop posting your weirdness.  If we've got to get locked for something, better to go out with a laugh than a blood spurt.

Back to Fiona, I doubt we'll hear definitively.  The franchise is moving on and the philosophy of "it's that way if you want it to be" seems to cover the bases for DAO loose ends.

[errant_knight]

Yankee23 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...
...first to post Alicorn wins my undying love.

Here you go, Surely:

Now, to encourage dialogue:

I am a firm believer in the Fiona Is Alistair's Mom plot and  I am in the process of writing a scene that reuintes them (well, he finds out that she's his mother). I know how I'm taking it (since my scenario is quite specific) but I'm interested in reading about how others imagine him handling the news. Anger? Disbelief? Joy?

Damn Alicorn. I hate that thing.

Well, personally I think Fiona completely washed her hands of responsibility, if Alistair is her child. Maric did better, and that's saying something. I think he'd be very angry--If he believed it in the first place. And for a long time. Long. It's one thing to leave your child becausse you're dead. It's another to just leave them.

Again, I think it would depend on his situation but being he is a grey warden (and proud of it) I think he would have some understanding of the choices Fiona had to make. And if he did the DR...

Alistair knew Grey Warden's with children. Abandonment isn't a prerequisite. That was a choice that Fiona didn't have to make, but chose to.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

R.I.P. old Ali-love-mutant-fest-gush thread.

[nos_astra]

errant_knight wrote...
Alistair knew Grey Warden's with children. Abandonment isn't a prerequisite. That was a choice that Fiona didn't have to make, but chose to.

Abandonment is not necessarily a prerequisite but then again we don't know enough about Grey Warden life when there was no Blight. What was the point of the order? Did you live with your brethren?

Alistair knew some Grey Wardens did have children but that's all we know. Some of the guys could have told him that they had a wife and children once, maybe they left the family before the little ones were even born. He didn't know any women.

Fiona had the choice to leave the order and go back to the Alienage.

Modificata da klarabella, 10 agosto 2010 - 04:51 .

[Addai]

klarabella wrote...

Fiona had the choice to leave the order and go back to the Alienage.

She would still have been an apostate, so she wouldn't last long I imagine.  Maric should just have raised him.  2nd in line wouldn't have had as much pressure as Cailan anyway.  It was really a boneheaded idea on both their parts.

[AnniLau]

Imperious eyebrow o' doom...

[maxernst]

Yeah, I can't really see a bastard son being much of a threat to Cailan's position, unless Cailan made himself very unpopular. Now, if Maric's only legitimate child were a daughter or if Maric had siblings with children of their own, then a bastard would have been much more of an issue.

[Sandtigress]

errant_knight wrote...
Alistair knew Grey Warden's with children. Abandonment isn't a prerequisite. That was a choice that Fiona didn't have to make, but chose to.

Alistair knew Grey Wardens who had children before they joined the order - most likely, they did abandon their families once they joined.

Fiona still would never have been able to raise her son, even if she had left the order.  As she said, she was an apostate mage and an elf - she had no place and no way to be anybody outside of the Grey Wardens.  She would have been an elven woman raising a human child - who would believe it was hers?  She would have had to hide her magic all the time and fear the templars discovering her and taking the child away to be raised by the Chantry at the very best, and who knows what at the worst.

If she had left the child to Maric, I don't think she could have ever claimed to be his mother and be believed, and the boy would still have to deal with the stigma of being the king's bastard son even if his mother's identity was kept secret. 

She didn't want him to live with the stigma of either elven blood or royal blood, and so she gave him up expecting him to be raised in a nice household as someone else's child.  That it doesn't seem to have worked out that way isn't entirely her fault.

[ximena]

Hello new Alithread! Something to add to your endeavors. (For some reason, the character fan threads got locked up. >_> Good thing someone managed to salvage my eternal hangout, the morrigan thread.)

[Merilsell]

Schratty wrote...

I can't imagine the peasant-folk of Ferelden would be too happy with the idea of having a half-elf king...I guess we'll just have to keep that on the down low Furthermore, I'm curious how Alistair would feel if he found out his mother was an elf after he broke it off with an elven warden (assuming he was made king and not hardened, of course). A little hypocritical, perhaps?

Gawd, thanks for that plot nug that is now creeping it's way into my head

Anyway to the topic...I really hope after considering it all, that the serving girl was his real mother. Maker, given his life has really sucked from the start , but at least he has some kind of a closure to 'the serving girl is my mother- topic in his life. i doubt he would be able to do that if Fiona is indeed his mother, especially if he had broken up with an elf/Mage Warden for kingship. Alistair would hardly find his peace anymore, no doubt.

@ Lady- I think so too. His reaction would indeed varied from the circumstances he currently lives in, or better said his level of care. The Warden can be a good influence on that, as well.

*glancing to profile pic* Lenya is still naked btw ...she seems to like that

[Addai]

maxernst wrote...

Yeah, I can't really see a bastard son being much of a threat to Cailan's position, unless Cailan made himself very unpopular. Now, if Maric's only legitimate child were a daughter or if Maric had siblings with children of their own, then a bastard would have been much more of an issue.

They were worried about him, though, not really Cailan's legacy (that was others like Eamon and Loghain).  It just should have occurred to one or both of them that being abandoned wasn't going to be any better than being prince.

[Sandtigress]

Schratty wrote...

I can't imagine the peasant-folk of Ferelden would be too happy with the idea of having a half-elf king...I guess we'll just have to keep that on the down low Furthermore, I'm curious how Alistair would feel if he found out his mother was an elf after he broke it off with an elven warden (assuming he was made king and not hardened, of course). A little hypocritical, perhaps?

Just saw this.  :-P  Honestly, I still don't think he feels like he had a choice.  Alistair doesn't break up with an elf Warden because she's an elf - he breaks up with her because A) he can't have children with her and it's the Landsmeet that would never accept her, not him.  He flat out states that her being an elf doesn't matter to him in the least (or that he likes her because of that, but we'll ignore that creeper line...)

HNFs only have to deal with problem A, and he'll still break up with her because of that if she doesn't forcibly announce their engagement to the Landsmeet or otherwise convince him to keep her on.  It's the child-bearing thing that concerns Alistair and that's a problem caused by her being a Grey Warden, not her race.

Even if his heritage was uncovered and accepted by the people eventually, I still don't think they'd allow an elven queen.  Alistair's blood would essentially be forgiven of him, but for the foreseeable future I don't think they'd be willing to drop their prejudices to introduce more elven blood to the throne.

[Schratty]

@ Sandtigress: But, HNFs still have the option of marrying him, whereas dwarves and elves do not. To say it's merely a matter of providing an heir is suspect Oh, and I'm not suggesting Alistair is prejudiced, btw. I'm just saying that I imagine he'd feel like a tool if he broke it off with the Warden for the sake of duty and honor and whatnots (because the people of Ferelden would likely not accept an elven queen), only to find out that he -himself- is part elf.

Merilsell wrote...
Anyway to the topic...I really hope after considering it all, that the serving girl was his real mother. Maker, given his life has really sucked from the start , but at least he has some kind of a closure to 'the serving girl is my mother- topic in his life. i doubt he would be able to do that if Fiona is indeed his mother, especially if he had broken up with an elf/Mage Warden for kingship. Alistair would hardly find his peace anymore, no doubt.

Oh, and can you just imagine if he broke up with the elven warden, became king and married Anora? Can we say "murder/suicide"? I've just thoroughly depressed myself.

Modificata da Schratty, 10 agosto 2010 - 05:21 .

[hollirae]

He would not look this happy if he found out he was 1/2 elvish and dumped the elf warden.    But boy is he sexy!!!

[hollirae]

Hey where is everyone reading all of this about Maric and Fiona???

[Addai]

hollirae wrote...

Hey where is everyone reading all of this about Maric and Fiona???

It's from the book The Calling.

[Merilsell]

Schratty wrote...
I'm just saying that I imagine he'd feel like a tool if he broke it off with the Warden for the sake of duty and honor and whatnots (because the people of Ferelden would likely not accept an elven queen), only to find out that he -himself- is part elf.

Oh yes this would be indeed the horror for him. Overkill would be the combination with marrying Anora, no doubt. I think he'd curse the day where he took Morrigan's offer to ensure surviving (not his own, rather this of the woman he still loves) the archdemon killing instead to do the deed and die in the process.

Honestly, can his life be any more miserable than that? Somehow I want to write about it now

[Sandtigress]

Schratty wrote...

@ Sandtigress: But, HNFs still have the option of marrying him, whereas dwarves and elves do not. To say it's merely a matter of providing an heir is suspect Oh, and I'm not suggesting Alistair is prejudiced, btw. I'm just saying that I imagine he'd feel like a tool if he broke it off with the Warden for the sake of duty and honor and whatnots (because the people of Ferelden would likely not accept an elven queen), only to find out that he -himself- is part elf.

Like I said, he makes it very clear he's breaking up because he needs to marry someone he can have children with.  It had nothing to do with the fact that she is an elf, except that the Landsmeet would not accept her ruling beside him.  That, I think, he'd at least try to fight or be naive about, like his father.  It's the infertility of two Grey Wardens that really concerns him.

Remember, Alistair won't ask a HNF to rule with him - she has to do it.  If she doesn't force the issue at the Landsmeet, he treats her exactly the same as if she were an elf or a dwarf - he breaks up with her on account of their inability to have children.  Once you've announced the engagement, he won't go against the will of the Landsmeet, especially not if he's in love with the Warden as it is - he's very happy to get the marry the woman he loves.  On the other hand, their inability to have children is still a major concern for him.

So I don't think he'd feel any worse about breaking up with an elven Warden than he already does just for breaking up with her in the first place.  It had nothing to do with her being an elf.  He loved that fact about her. 

Now, the fact that his mother was a Grey Warden might make more of an impact, but even so, his father was not and that's what allowed the conception.  Alistair and a Grey Warden could never have children by natural means.

[Schratty]

@ Merilsell: Oh yes, I can just see it know The Suckfest of Suck: The Life and Times of Alistair. You'd have to couple it with a warning that the fan fic is only to be read with plenty of Kleenex, chocolate and wine at the ready

@ Sandtigress:Haha, I think we're going around in circles. I get what you're saying, but I do think that the reason he calls it off with a dwarf/elf pc is because of their race (once again, not because he's prejudiced, but because the rest of Ferelden would not accept it). Otherwise, why wouldn't they be able to force the issue at the Landsmeet, too?

Modificata da Schratty, 10 agosto 2010 - 05:42 .