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[Yankee23]

Persephone wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

Anyone see this in the Loghain thread? 

Someone googled it and found this:

phaonica wrote...

I went on google and found this on a Russian website:

L: I did not want to see this happen to Cailan, but it seemed necessary at the time. Like many things do, I suppose.
A: No, you see, this isn't something you can explain away. The man you killed, the son of Maric, is right here, in this field of dead.
L: I am aware, Alistair, thank you.
PC: No plea for forgiveness?
L: I ask for none. I made my choices with the good of Ferelden in mind.
*
PC: That response hardly seems like enough.
L: And what would be enough? What form of penance matters to a dead man?
A: I'm sure we could come up with something entertaining for the rest of us.
*
PC: Pity for him or you?
L: I ask for none. I made my choices with the good of Ferelden in mind.
A: Good work, that.
L: I regret many things, but dwelling on what could have been serves no one, least of all Cailan. I will make peace in my own time.
*
PC: Cailan was a fool.
L: I thought so at the time. Inexperienced, rash, naive. But as I have come to know, my supposed wisdom served me no better.
A: Good work, that.
L: I regret many things, but dwelling on what could have been serves no one, least of all Cailan. I will make peace in my own time.

It's prefaced with this (translated by Google Translator):

"Dialogue Logeyna and Alistair from the "Return to Ostagar", not included in the final version for obvious reasons."

I am "Someone".

In my very humble opinion that scene (All dialogue options are linked to the Youtube link above) is one of the most intense, moving and tragic in all DAO. I wish they had kept it in somehow. It shows Loghain's human side so well.

 Sorry ,I just grabbed the post with the full dialogue. Didn't mean to deny you credit.

Edit: Ack ToP...I'll be back.

Modifié par Yankee23, 17 septembre 2010 - 04:40 .

[Persephone]

Yankee, I only found the vids with the Audio Files. Phaonica found the written dialogue. )))

[Lady Jess]

Siduri wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

For Cous Cous I do that dialogue prior to the LM and pretend they discuss the possibility of her becoming consort, she waffles, and so Alistair is pleased and surprised when she announces it but not as surprised as if the idea had never occurred to either of them.  Which seems rather idiotic, or like she was scheming behind his back or just being spontaneous- none of which sells very well.

That's a nice way of RP-ing it. It really bothers me that he won't just propose to the HNF.

I'm meta gaming here but, this is Elea's rp for that. Coming out of Eamon's estate after talking to Anora, They'llhave his "someone must have told her I was stealing her throne" conversation. At that point he's still not thrilled about being King, she'll tell him he'll make a good one.

Elea is considering losing her parents as a failure on her part a bit. And she REALLY feels like she abandoned Fergus. As the landsmeet gets to that point, she'll kind of panic and feel like she'd be abandoning Alistair too, and she loves him way too much for that, so she suddenly decides he won't do this alone. She'll support him every step, just like Eleanor did for Bryce.

[Yankee23]

Lady Jess wrote...

Siduri wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

For Cous Cous I do that dialogue prior to the LM and pretend they discuss the possibility of her becoming consort, she waffles, and so Alistair is pleased and surprised when she announces it but not as surprised as if the idea had never occurred to either of them.  Which seems rather idiotic, or like she was scheming behind his back or just being spontaneous- none of which sells very well.

That's a nice way of RP-ing it. It really bothers me that he won't just propose to the HNF.

I'm meta gaming here but, this is Elea's rp for that. Coming out of Eamon's estate after talking to Anora, They'llhave his "someone must have told her I was stealing her throne" conversation. At that point he's still not thrilled about being King, she'll tell him he'll make a good one.

Elea is considering losing her parents as a failure on her part a bit. And she REALLY feels like she abandoned Fergus. As the landsmeet gets to that point, she'll kind of panic and feel like she'd be abandoning Alistair too, and she loves him way too much for that, so she suddenly decides he won't do this alone. She'll support him every step, just like Eleanor did for Bryce.

I like this one too. But I really do wish there was some sort of conversation about it prior to the landsmeet.  I know there are "GW" reasons why the possibility may not come to mind immediatly, but all other things aside under normal circumstances, when the time came to find a proper Fereldan wife for the new solo king who would have been at the top of the list? Cousland. So, it surprises me it's not at least brought up in some form. At the very lest something like arranging Alistair/M!Cousland and Anora.

[Lady Jess]

Yankee23 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Siduri wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

For Cous Cous I do that dialogue prior to the LM and pretend they discuss the possibility of her becoming consort, she waffles, and so Alistair is pleased and surprised when she announces it but not as surprised as if the idea had never occurred to either of them.  Which seems rather idiotic, or like she was scheming behind his back or just being spontaneous- none of which sells very well.

That's a nice way of RP-ing it. It really bothers me that he won't just propose to the HNF.

I'm meta gaming here but, this is Elea's rp for that. Coming out of Eamon's estate after talking to Anora, They'llhave his "someone must have told her I was stealing her throne" conversation. At that point he's still not thrilled about being King, she'll tell him he'll make a good one.

Elea is considering losing her parents as a failure on her part a bit. And she REALLY feels like she abandoned Fergus. As the landsmeet gets to that point, she'll kind of panic and feel like she'd be abandoning Alistair too, and she loves him way too much for that, so she suddenly decides he won't do this alone. She'll support him every step, just like Eleanor did for Bryce.

I like this one too. But I really do wish there was some sort of conversation about it prior to the landsmeet.  I know there are "GW" reasons why the possibility may not come to mind immediatly, but all other things aside under normal circumstances, when the time came to find a proper Fereldan wife for the new solo king who would have been at the top of the list? Cousland. So, it surprises me it's not at least brought up in some form. At the very lest something like arranging Alistair/M!Cousland and Anora.

I'm guessing the same reason mentioned for not having an esxape scene for Highever. They can't just assume every Cousland fem would want to have the conversation, or even want that ending in a romance. It also, takes some of the unique away from the Zev romance as well. If Alistair and Zev both proposed there wouldn't be a difficult choice there:)

[Sandtigress]

Okay, most everyone here won't care becauset they weren't in the original gush thread when all this happened, but I finished Worlds Apart today - it stars my, Surely, and yukidama's Dalish PCs.

I'm only posting it because there might have been a person or two in the gush thread who was reading it who was also not on twitter, so I wanted to let them know it was done!

The whole story can be found here on BSN (I think you have to click "See all entries" to see parts 1 and 2), and will eventually get released to the forum and ff.net when Fireside Tales is done, since it technically contains spoilers for Kara's story.

Anyways  >.>

Modifié par Sandtigress, 17 septembre 2010 - 06:38 .

[tuppence95]

Sandtigress wrote...

Okay, most everyone here won't care becauset they weren't in the original gush thread when all this happened, but I finished Worlds Apart today - it stars my, Surely, and yukidama's Dalish PCs.

I'm only posting it because there might have been a person or two in the gush thread who was reading it who was also not on twitter, so I wanted to let them know it was done!

The whole story can be found here on BSN (I think you have to click "See all entries" to see parts 1 and 2), and will eventually get released to the forum and ff.net when Fireside Tales is done, since it technically contains for Kara's story.

Anyways  >.>

Thanks, Sandi!

[maxernst]

Siduri wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

Exactly, imo, he is doing something he normally wouldn't do in order to please someone else.

But he won't do it if he's not hardened -- and being hardened is supposed to make him stick up for himself more, and to go for what he wants, which kind of implies that the threesome IS something he actually wants...

Except he still needs to be coerced into it.  I've never really been sure about this hardening thing.  In gameplay terms, it actually makes it easier for the PC to push him around. 

[Lady Jess]

maxernst wrote...

Siduri wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

Exactly, imo, he is doing something he normally wouldn't do in order to please someone else.

But he won't do it if he's not hardened -- and being hardened is supposed to make him stick up for himself more, and to go for what he wants, which kind of implies that the threesome IS something he actually wants...

Except he still needs to be coerced into it.  I've never really been sure about this hardening thing.  In gameplay terms, it actually makes it easier for the PC to push him around. 

Except you don't get to push him around. You can convince him that the threesome would be fun, and he's loosened up enough to say "oh what the heck why not this might be fun for me too". Other than that, you can't push him around, you can encourage him, you can make choices he still disagrees with and he'll lose LESS approval, and he's more willing to see that he'd be a good king. He's basically more willing to be out for himself.

[inclemency]

Can't believe how this day has gotten away from me...haven't played yet. At this rate I'll never get back to my HFN





Friday, to me, is dragon day

[Yankee23]

inclemency wrote...

Can't believe how this day has gotten away from me...haven't played yet. At this rate I'll never get back to my HFN


Friday, to me, is dragon day
[snip]

 Good one!

[phaonica]

inclemency wrote...

Friday, to me, is dragon day

That is far more terrifying than the archdemon.

Modifié par phaonica, 17 septembre 2010 - 06:54 .

[Addai]

maxernst wrote...

Siduri wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

Exactly, imo, he is doing something he normally wouldn't do in order to please someone else.

But he won't do it if he's not hardened -- and being hardened is supposed to make him stick up for himself more, and to go for what he wants, which kind of implies that the threesome IS something he actually wants...

Except he still needs to be coerced into it.  I've never really been sure about this hardening thing.  In gameplay terms, it actually makes it easier for the PC to push him around. 

If that's the case, then Isabela has to be "coerced", too- there's a Persuade check with her as well and if you fail she tells you she's not up for company at the moment.  It's just a game mechanic that shows the player has a winning personality that can get people to do things they're otherwise reluctant to do.  With Alistair in this instance, I think it's just not something that would occur to him until his lover brings it up.

I try to think of a reason even my morally challenged HNF would proposition a woman standing around in a wh*rehouse, and frankly I come up empty.  LOL  Oh well, it was just for research.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...
If that's the case, then Isabela has to be "coerced", too- there's a Persuade check with her as well and if you fail she tells you she's not up for company at the moment.  It's just a game mechanic that shows the player has a winning personality that can get people to do things they're otherwise reluctant to do.  With Alistair in this instance, I think it's just not something that would occur to him until his lover brings it up.

I try to think of a reason even my morally challenged HNF would proposition a woman standing around in a wh*rehouse, and frankly I come up empty.  LOL  Oh well, it was just for research.

Brand was actually there for the wh*res. First quest down at the Circle, and she was getting her groove back and a little miffed that all the Sloth Demon could tempt her with was darkspawnlessness. She wasn't in any kind of romance zone with Alistair or Leliana, and Zev was still The Assassin, so wh*res. By bedding Isabela instead, not only did she not have to pay, she got a new skill out of the deal. Score!

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

Brand was actually there for the wh*res. First quest down at the Circle, and she was getting her groove back and a little miffed that all the Sloth Demon could tempt her with was darkspawnlessness. She wasn't in any kind of romance zone with Alistair or Leliana, and Zev was still The Assassin, so wh*res. By bedding Isabela instead, not only did she not have to pay, she got a new skill out of the deal. Score!

Heh, well in my first Eren game, she partook of The Pearl, too, but in my roleplay conception it was a really dark time for her.  She told Zevran "I'm sorry, no" (which was hard) and went with Alistair, was happy with Alistair for a time, found out about the GW baby problem and realized they were going to have to end it so she broke up with him shortly after killing Howe.  She was later to change her mind and become queen, but in the interim, she got ****** drunk and went to visit Sanga.  For a man, though, not the sketchy she-pirate.

Isabela's dialogue is good, though.  I actually like her card game interaction.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 septembre 2010 - 07:32 .

[Zjarcal]

inclemency wrote...

Can't believe how this day has gotten away from me...haven't played yet. At this rate I'll never get back to my HFN


Friday, to me, is dragon day
*snip*

Nightmares about that would actually be terrifying!

I love your photomanips Inclemency!

[Zjarcal]

maxernst wrote...

Except he still needs to be coerced into it.  I've never really been sure about this hardening thing.  In gameplay terms, it actually makes it easier for the PC to push him around. 

While I'm in the camp that the threesome fits hardened Alistair, I do agree that the whole hardening thing isn't implemented very well.

Especially for Leliana, who in my view, becomes a less strong willed person when hardened.

[LadyDamodred]

Sandtigress wrote...

Okay, most everyone here won't care becauset they weren't in the original gush thread when all this happened, but I finished Worlds Apart today - it stars my, Surely, and yukidama's Dalish PCs.

I'm only posting it because there might have been a person or two in the gush thread who was reading it who was also not on twitter, so I wanted to let them know it was done!

The whole story can be found here on BSN (I think you have to click "See all entries" to see parts 1 and 2), and will eventually get released to the forum and ff.net when Fireside Tales is done, since it technically contains spoilers for Kara's story.

Anyways  >.>

*bounces off to read*

[Zjarcal]

SurelyForth wrote...

Brand was actually there for the wh*res. First quest down at the Circle, and she was getting her groove back and a little miffed that all the Sloth Demon could tempt her with was darkspawnlessness. She wasn't in any kind of romance zone with Alistair or Leliana, and Zev was still The Assassin, so wh*res. By bedding Isabela instead, not only did she not have to pay, she got a new skill out of the deal. Score!

This is pure win! Score indeed!

[Merilsell]

Slow day is slow *yawn* Have some Alistair, while I go back to my writing. Yeah, still deep roads. Meh. I'm such a slow **** writer these days -__-

[inclemency]

What ending do y'all usually do with your mages? I'm on my last treaty, and I still cannot decide. What I do know, is that the Landsmeet might need to be done twice because I want to take Loghein through 'Return to Ostagar' (have never done that before). However, I don't necessary want to keep him alive!

[Zjarcal]

@Inclemency

You definitely have to do RtO at least once with Loghain, whatever you may think of him. And please, take Wynne as well. No one tells her to STFU quite like Loghain.

As for the mages ending? Well, I always do the same ending on all my playthroughs, DR with either Loghain or Alistair doing the deed. And as a mage I chose to free the Circle from the Chantry.

Also, I never romance Alistair (what I'm doing here then? ), so no Alistair ending for me.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:51 .

[LadyDamodred]

inclemency wrote...

What ending do y'all usually do with your mages? I'm on my last treaty, and I still cannot decide. What I do know, is that the Landsmeet might need to be done twice because I want to take Loghein through 'Return to Ostagar' (have never done that before). However, I don't necessary want to keep him alive!

Kalea, my current Surana, is gonna take Alistair off the Grey Wardens with her.  I had an Amell that did the mistress ending, but Kalea's not built for that.  She's gonna tell Eamon to sod off and keep her snuggly templar all to herself.

Edit:  She will also ask for freedom for the circle as her boon.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:30 .

[Addai]

inclemency wrote...

What ending do y'all usually do with your mages? I'm on my last treaty, and I still cannot decide. What I do know, is that the Landsmeet might need to be done twice because I want to take Loghein through 'Return to Ostagar' (have never done that before). However, I don't necessary want to keep him alive!

Anything but the mage boon.  What a waste of royal breath that is.

Chancellor Surana set up the Alistair-Anora marriage but Ali killed Loghain so it's off to the tower with Anora and Alistair rules alone.  Obviously, the chancellorship was her boon.

Dalish mage Idun had the Warden ending because blood mage near the king of Ferelden... is bound to be a bad thing.  I really should have done a US ending with her.  I just didn't have the heart.  I don't even remember what her boon was- a monument to Grey Wardens, I think- she just wanted Anora and everyone else to leave her alone.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 septembre 2010 - 09:42 .