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[LadyDamodred]

This is as modded as my Alistair gets:


Yuki eyes and lightening the lines on his face to match his age.  I'm one of those that hates modding vanilla faces so that they don't really resemeble the characters anymore.

Woot!  ToP!

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 20 septembre 2010 - 10:30 .

[Lady Jess]

Derp!





And news! either tomorrow or Wednesday Dell is sending me a repairman with TWO new video cards for my computer! He almost died when I said not only is one of them not warming up at ALL, the other hits 105C while gaming and sits in the 70's while idle. The other sits around 40C idle and 59C gaming.

[Merilsell]

That's the perfect morph for Alistair (and Jess has the perfect DERP, no less.)

Then again, playing the game in nothing but vanilla for almost a year (oh gasp I never was so long busy with one) I can't imagine the characters looking different. My brain would scream "wrong WRONG WRONG" all the time when looking at them. Lol.

Modifié par Merilsell, 20 septembre 2010 - 10:46 .

[Zjarcal]

Merilsell wrote...

That's the perfect morph for Alistair (and Jess has the perfect DERP, no less.)

Then again, playing the game in nothing but vanilla for almost a year (oh gasp I never was so long busy with one) I can't imagine the characters looking different. My brain would scream "wrong WRONG WRONG" all the time when looking at them. Lol.

I only change some of their hairstyles, but their faces. I like the vanilla faces and modifying them also makes me go "wrong, wrong, wrong!". But a few hairdo here and there is nice for variety's sake.

[Merilsell]

An NBA- thread-bump.


Heh, writing drunk Alistair is fun. Maybe Lenya let him run through Orzammar like that, later? She is even more evil, when drunk. And very coercive. 

Modifié par Merilsell, 21 septembre 2010 - 12:06 .

[Lady Jess]

Merilsell wrote...

An NBA- thread-bump.

Heh, writing drunk Alistair is fun.

Gahhh I hope Dell shows up fast and tomorrow so I can truly enjoy the game again.  /cry

[errant_knight]

I can see why some people want to make him look a tidge younger given that there seems to be a disparity in book timeline age, and his appearence. This is one of the few cases where I prefer to ignore likely canon, though. I just think of him as mid 20's instead of the start of his 20's. I like the way he looks, and it goes with the way he sounds. If I see and hear that and think 20, 21, the cognitive dissonance makes my head explode. So I just don't do it. Besides, everthing about his story carries more weight if he's older than that. Being a virgin at 20 after living in a monastic environment isn't even a little bit surprising, same with not feeling able to lead.

Modifié par errant_knight, 21 septembre 2010 - 12:21 .

[Merilsell]

Haha, changed the picture because I initially picked the wrong one...but hey the more the merrier. So yay for the quote, Jess

[Reika]

errant_knight wrote...

I can see why some people want to make him look a tidge younger given that there seems to be a disparity in book timeline age, and his appearence. This is one of the few cases where I prefer to ignore likely canon, though. I just think of him as mid 20's instead of the start of his 20's. I like the way he looks, and it goes with the way he sounds. If I look and here that and think 20, 21, the cognitive dissonance makes my head explode. So I just don't do it. Besides, everthing about his story carries more weight if he's older than that. Being a virgin at 20 after living in a monastic environment isn't even a little but surprising, same with not feeling able to lead.

Glad I'm not the only one. I always pegged Alistair to be around Fergus Cousland's age which is mid 20's with Fergus being a tad older (maybe). I can't see Alistair being any older than say 25 though, he's still go enough of that boyish charm that comes from a guy who is still growing up.

Hm, then again I've known some boyish 30somethings, ah well.

As a side note about the first time romancing Alistair, I made a comment to my friend who got me hooked on the game about "What do you want to bet that the rose Alistair picked in Lothering is the one that Leliana saw after her supposed vision."

Friend: "Oh god, you're already romancing Alistair."
Me: "What's wrong with that?"
Friend: "You've only had the game for three days."
Me: "Yeah, a three day weekend where I haven't had anything else to do but obsess over a new game. You're to thank for that."
Friend: *sigh* Let me guess, HNF?
Me: What's wrong with that?
Friend: You're going for the queen ending, aren't you?
Me (not having read the wiki or anything at all): Huh?
Friend: Oh. <vc=Alistair> "You'll see."
Me: Hate. You.
All in good fun though.

Anyway, my derp pic, I really need to get something better than whatever the heck it is that came with windows to edit photos.

[Zjarcal]

errant_knight wrote...

I can see why some people want to make him look a tidge younger given that there seems to be a disparity in book timeline age, and his appearence. This is one of the few cases where I prefer to ignore likely canon, though. I just think of him as mid 20's instead of the start of his 20's. I like the way he looks, and it goes with the way he sounds. If I see and hear that and think 20, 21, the cognitive dissonance makes my head explode. So I just don't do it. Besides, everthing about his story carries more weight if he's older than that. Being a virgin at 20 after living in a monastic environment isn't even a little bit surprising, same with not feeling able to lead.

I completely agree. I can't really see him as 20 or 21. I feel like mid twenties fits everything about his personality and his role in the story perfectly.

[inclemency]

Zjarcal wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I can see why some people want to make him look a tidge younger given that there seems to be a disparity in book timeline age, and his appearence. This is one of the few cases where I prefer to ignore likely canon, though. I just think of him as mid 20's instead of the start of his 20's. I like the way he looks, and it goes with the way he sounds. If I see and hear that and think 20, 21, the cognitive dissonance makes my head explode. So I just don't do it. Besides, everthing about his story carries more weight if he's older than that. Being a virgin at 20 after living in a monastic environment isn't even a little bit surprising, same with not feeling able to lead.

I completely agree. I can't really see him as 20 or 21. I feel like mid twenties fits everything about his personality and his role in the story perfectly.

I'm with all of you, it almost makes no sense to me if early 20's.  I always want to shake my head in confusion if someone refers to him being so young.  Glad I'm in good company.

[KnightofPhoenix]

errant_knight wrote...
Being a virgin at 20 after living in a monastic environment isn't even a little bit surprising.

Even outside a monastic environment, I don't find that surprising at all.

But cultures can be very different sometimes.

[LadyDamodred]

Hey, I just go by what's been dribbled out to us on the forums. He's definitely not older than 25. I put him at 21 at the start of my game, 22 by the time it's done. *shrugs* I figure people grow up a little faster in this world, so it's all good.

[Merilsell]

I always pictured him 20- 21, like DG has even confirmed. *shrug* Imo, It fits very well to him and please think on that in such an age you mature a lot faster, especially with that not so happy life he had lived before.

[DahliaLynn]

My personal preference goes with the toolset "error", 32 I know it has nothing to do with the timeline, or Gaider's correction, or the fact that being a virgin at 32 isn't really logical, and the fact that it really doesn't make sense in the story. Still..when I saw 32 in the toolset..I just well, felt good
Edit: Plus, he seems to act and look 32 in my opinion, (sans the virgin part) so I even find it believeable.

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 21 septembre 2010 - 01:07 .

[sabreene]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Being a virgin at 20 after living in a monastic environment isn't even a little bit surprising.

Even outside a monastic environment, I don't find that surprising at all.

But cultures can be very different sometimes.

I agree with KoP. There were plenty of virgins when I was at college, of both men and women, and they were in their twenties. So I don't find someone being a virgin at 21, or even 22 or 23, surprising either.

[Zjarcal]

sabreene wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Being a virgin at 20 after living in a monastic environment isn't even a little bit surprising.

Even outside a monastic environment, I don't find that surprising at all.

But cultures can be very different sometimes.

I agree with KoP. There were plenty of virgins when I was at college, of both men and women, and they were in their twenties. So I don't find someone being a virgin at 21, or even 22 or 23, surprising either.

Indeed. It's a matter of personal preference really.

Damn, I don't have a pic to make this post on topic!

[sabreene]

I forgot to add one to mine, so here it is! But it's not quite a derp shot. More an interested puppy shot.

[errant_knight]

DahliaLynn wrote...

My personal preference goes with the toolset "error", 32 I know it has nothing to do with the timeline, or Gaider's correction, or the fact that being a virgin at 32 isn't really logical, and the fact that it really doesn't make sense in the story. Still..when I saw 32 in the toolset..I just well, felt good
Edit: Plus, he seems to act and look 32 in my opinion, (sans the virgin part) so I even find it believeable.

See, the virgin thing would still work for me at 32. We have to remember where he spent his life and how seriously he takes all that. In terms of romance, he's Galahad, not Lancelot. And he really does look and sound more like 32 than 25. And really, I'm not that concerned with the timeline of the books. Alistair was initially supposed to be older--probably what it says in the toolkit, but it was changed because a portion of the audience had difficulty relating to him, mainly because he was and experienced, bitter, angry templar. Pretty much exiled Alistair only without the booze. So it's only luck of the draw that makes him younger. (I'd heard that DG did confirm it, but it surprises me and makes me wonder a bit, since he's so cagey about confirming anything) There are continuity errors all over the place, what with all the changes. I say 'mid twenties', because that seems where I'm most likely to find a small patch of common ground with those who see him as younger, but I really see him as over 25--somewhere between there and the toolkit 32. I tend to pick a place in between. Not only does it fit for me, but as I said earlier, the older he is, the stronger and more poignant his story is. I also like it that if he's older, he'll live closer to a normal lifespan without some kind of magical intervention.

Modifié par errant_knight, 21 septembre 2010 - 01:35 .

[LadyDamodred]

It's not the age/virgin thing that gets me. I never got the vibe in game that people were shocked at his age and being a virign, it was more his mannerisms and ungodly sex appeal. What leads me to having him be younger is a lot of the littler things. I think the whole not taking of templar vows gets less realistic the older he gets. Also the whole Duncan= father thing. You can only get so old before it looses that sort of boyish poingnancy. And him being older than Cailan makes very little sense.

For all his "risque" talk, Alistair comes across as young to me in game, for the most part.  Not always, but a lot.  There is maturity there, but in some ways he's so painfully young.  It's an intruiging mix.

No one will ever agree on what fits best, b/c there isn't any one perfect thing, but I know DG gave 21-25. The whole 21 confirmation came later and might still even be up in the air.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 21 septembre 2010 - 01:51 .

[Yankee23]

I am quoting a post of mine from a few days ago on the hopes that it just got overlooked in the midst of squee. I am interested to hear what everyone thinks.

Yankee23 wrote...

Question for everyone...when do you think is the best time to harden Alistair to get the best of all his dialogue?
 
I usuallly end up doing it early in the game. I didn't harden him with my last Cousland (for the first time) because I wanted the unhardened dialogue if you talk to him about marring Anora. It only occurred to me later in the game that I could have gone to Goldanna's after that for the hardening. Not doing an unhardened king ever again, my eplilogue made me sad, he was clearly not happy.

I am thinking the best time may be after talking to him and Anora in Eamon's estate but before the landsmeet...thoughts?

ToP:
[snip]

[LadyDamodred]

Yankee23 wrote...

I am quoting a post of mine from a few days ago on the hopes that it just got overlooked in the midst of squee. I am interested to hear what everyone thinks.

Yankee23 wrote...

Question for everyone...when do you think is the best time to harden Alistair to get the best of all his dialogue?
 
I usuallly end up doing it early in the game. I didn't harden him with my last Cousland (for the first time) because I wanted the unhardened dialogue if you talk to him about marring Anora. It only occurred to me later in the game that I could have gone to Goldanna's after that for the hardening. Not doing an unhardened king ever again, my eplilogue made me sad, he was clearly not happy.

I am thinking the best time may be after talking to him and Anora in Eamon's estate but before the landsmeet...thoughts?

ToP:
[snip]

Honestly, I don't know.  People have different preferences for dialogue and I've heard all of it at some point.  If you really like his unhardened lines, I'd wait til right before the Landsmeet.  I tend to do it at appropriate RP moments.

[Lady Jess]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Honestly, I don't know.  People have different preferences for dialogue and I've heard all of it at some point.  If you really like his unhardened lines, I'd wait til right before the Landsmeet.  I tend to do it at appropriate RP moments.

I really WISH there was a way to do this without dealing with Goldanna. There are so many little moments it could be done. Such as when he yells at you about Connor/isolde, or right at Flemeth's with "why would Loghain do this", When recruiting Zevran, talking to Jowan, I'm sure there are others. My favorite time to do it for RP reasons would be after he tells you about his birthright. But to do it, you have to drag him to Denerim and visit this Goldanna woman that has nothing to do with whatever situation you RP would be the time to harden him.

[errant_knight]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

I am quoting a post of mine from a few days ago on the hopes that it just got overlooked in the midst of squee. I am interested to hear what everyone thinks.

Yankee23 wrote...

Question for everyone...when do you think is the best time to harden Alistair to get the best of all his dialogue?
 
I usuallly end up doing it early in the game. I didn't harden him with my last Cousland (for the first time) because I wanted the unhardened dialogue if you talk to him about marring Anora. It only occurred to me later in the game that I could have gone to Goldanna's after that for the hardening. Not doing an unhardened king ever again, my eplilogue made me sad, he was clearly not happy.

I am thinking the best time may be after talking to him and Anora in Eamon's estate but before the landsmeet...thoughts?

ToP:
[snip]

Honestly, I don't know.  People have different preferences for dialogue and I've heard all of it at some point.  If you really like his unhardened lines, I'd wait til right before the Landsmeet.  I tend to do it at appropriate RP moments.

Yeah, it's about the roleplay for me, and both my Cousland and my Dalish elf cared a lot about family, and wanted to give him the locket and let him see his sister as soon as possible. So I only know about the other lines from the toolset.

[Reika]

Lady Jess wrote...

I really WISH there was a way to do this without dealing with Goldanna. There are so many little moments it could be done. Such as when he yells at you about Connor/isolde, or right at Flemeth's with "why would Loghain do this", When recruiting Zevran, talking to Jowan, I'm sure there are others. My favorite time to do it for RP reasons would be after he tells you about his birthright. But to do it, you have to drag him to Denerim and visit this Goldanna woman that has nothing to do with whatever situation you RP would be the time to harden him.

Would've loved to have been able to do it as a slow process. A small comment here and there. Rather than visit that golddigging shrew.