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inclemency wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Some Artwork - Alistair, Knight Templar by RottenRagamuffins

A Masterpiece!<3

I almost fell out of my chair!!!

That is soooo beautiful, and... OMG.  I was thinking about Alistair's time as a templar, too, and... OMG.  *fans self, weeps, fangirls incoherently*

While it's no The Picture, it is pretty damn gorgeous. And hot.

That's nice, I hadn't seen that before!   Btw, our 'work' was accepted and just got posted in the Bioware Club on DevART, which is very cool  


EDIT:

I guess we should vote:   Best male love interest in a BioWare game Poll

Oh, God... choosing between my top FIVE!  How cruel!

[LadyDamodred]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Yeah, I have to admit those mods are trash from the viewpoint that playing the game with them installed is ridiculous.

Can't say that I find the image itself disgusting though... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

The style doesn't belong in DA, modern clothing like that should stay in games like Grand Theft Auto or Saints Row. Mods like the one above are only made for one reason--hormonal teenagers.

More Alistair Artwork by Aimo.*snip*

Awww, that's really nice.  Alistair is so happy and Duncan looks so paternal.

And I know I said I wouldn't check the thread at work today, but....  I'm like a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs, atm.  XD

[Siduri]

gamestress wrote...

Heyas new to the forums and of course I have to pop into the thread dedicated to Alistair. I've played through all the endings and I'm pretty sure I'll never let him leave me again! I remember the first time a mage of mine made him king and when afterward he said, "Look, we need to talk".. argh!

This entire dialog in my head went NOTHING like the numerical options they placed before me:
1. What?? After all we've been through?? After all I've done for you? *I* put your ass on the throne and now YOU want to leave ME??
2. Have your damn rose back. *Cutscene. GW throws rose. Thorns scratch Alistair. Alistair winces and gives an Alistairesque. "hayeee!" GW then continues in a mocking voice, "Oh here's pretty rose, see the pretty rose, I picked it and it was pretty and you're pretty..blah blah blah!!"
3. Fine! Have fun killing the bloody Archdemon on your own!! I'm going HOME!
4. You bahstaahd!!!

What can I say? I was hurt.. :-D

I did that on my second playthrough, knowing full well what was coming, and I was STILL hurt! I told him he was an ass and got -5 approval or something like that, and I was like "OH YEAH??? WELL -20 APPROVAL TO YOU BUDDY."

It's not that he's wrong in what he's saying--it's that he gives up so easily. There's magic in this world, there's the Urn, etc: there's got to be ways around the fertility thing. I understand where the character is coming from--feeling that he has to give up the thing that means the most to him because Duty and Sacrifice yadda yadda--but he lays it down as an ultimatum, which is frustrating. I guess the real frustration is that it's, you know, a video game, which means you can't have an actual conversation with him!

[Maria13]

More romantic than smutty but stil...

[errant_knight]

Siduri wrote...

gamestress wrote...

Heyas new to the forums and of course I have to pop into the thread dedicated to Alistair. I've played through all the endings and I'm pretty sure I'll never let him leave me again! I remember the first time a mage of mine made him king and when afterward he said, "Look, we need to talk".. argh!

This entire dialog in my head went NOTHING like the numerical options they placed before me:
1. What?? After all we've been through?? After all I've done for you? *I* put your ass on the throne and now YOU want to leave ME??
2. Have your damn rose back. *Cutscene. GW throws rose. Thorns scratch Alistair. Alistair winces and gives an Alistairesque. "hayeee!" GW then continues in a mocking voice, "Oh here's pretty rose, see the pretty rose, I picked it and it was pretty and you're pretty..blah blah blah!!"
3. Fine! Have fun killing the bloody Archdemon on your own!! I'm going HOME!
4. You bahstaahd!!!

What can I say? I was hurt.. :-D

I did that on my second playthrough, knowing full well what was coming, and I was STILL hurt! I told him he was an ass and got -5 approval or something like that, and I was like "OH YEAH??? WELL -20 APPROVAL TO YOU BUDDY."

It's not that he's wrong in what he's saying--it's that he gives up so easily. There's magic in this world, there's the Urn, etc: there's got to be ways around the fertility thing. I understand where the character is coming from--feeling that he has to give up the thing that means the most to him because Duty and Sacrifice yadda yadda--but he lays it down as an ultimatum, which is frustrating. I guess the real frustration is that it's, you know, a video game, which means you can't have an actual conversation with him!

I got this on my first female PC playthrough. I was astonished by how much I felt like I'd really been dumped. It was extremely effective. And at first  my Cousland PC was very unaccepting, angry, and really bad at her job. Then she decided he was right, much as she didn't want to admit it, and grudgingly accepted it, even respected him for it.  It would be a crappy thing to do  to his wife when he married, and breaking up would only get more difficult. She wouldn't like being his mistress when he was married elsewhere, and she knew that by any natural means, an heir would be impossible. Blood magic was apparently a possibility, given the DR, but while she found that acceptable to ensure Alistair's survival, both because he was king and selfishly, she didn't think blood magic should be the go-to solution for every problem--or any that didn't involve the end of the world, really. Rock--hard place. She stayed on as chancellor because while it hurt to be near him, it would have been worse to leave.

My characters since then have been more selfish, making Wynne's prediction about love being selfish all too true.

[tuppence95]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Yeah, I have to admit those mods are trash from the viewpoint that playing the game with them installed is ridiculous.

Can't say that I find the image itself disgusting though... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

The style doesn't belong in DA, modern clothing like that should stay in games like Grand Theft Auto or Saints Row. Mods like the one above are only made for one reason--hormonal teenagers.

More Alistair Artwork by Aimo.
*snip
file:///C:/Users/C.J/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-3.png

This!  I don't find the style of that clothing disgusting, exactly ... But it doesn't belong in this world.  And pink & purple with that pattern?  Even if I was looking at it in the GTA world, it would still be ugly.  Can you imagine combat in those shoes?

Grumpy, I love that Duncan picture.  Alistair, with his new group of friends, looks so happy.  *sniffle*  The art you've been posting today makes up for the pink & purple horror.

[LadyDamodred]

My characters are all very selfish. They all keep Alistair if they romance him, in one form or another. I have played the breakups, I just don't keep those saves.

[Lady Jess]

LadyDamodred wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

Hardened. I know a lot of people prefer his unhardened dialogue, but I like his hardened character better.

This. I always harden him.

He does have more romantic lines unhardened. Like when you ask him to marry Anora--  Alistair admits to not wanting anyone else, but only the f/Warden. He does the complete opposite, if hardened. Alistair doesn't express his feelings and agrees to go alone with the warden's plans, with no hassle involved.

As bizarre as it sounds, I like that because it shows he's both able and willing to see the bigger picture.  He's not happy about it, but he accepts that life is like that sometimes, understands what you're trying to do, and works with Warden.



Smut Thursday!  No checking the thread for me at work today! 

That's how I see it. He's no dummy, there. I like that he can see that Him and Anora together are a good stable governing unit, and he can keep his love too. Unhardened he won't if I recall, you're dumped and that's that. Hardened Alistair considers his own happiness along with Ferelden and his duty.

[tuppence95]

errant_knight wrote...

Siduri wrote...

gamestress wrote...

Heyas new to the forums and of course I have to pop into the thread dedicated to Alistair. I've played through all the endings and I'm pretty sure I'll never let him leave me again! I remember the first time a mage of mine made him king and when afterward he said, "Look, we need to talk".. argh!

This entire dialog in my head went NOTHING like the numerical options they placed before me:
1. What?? After all we've been through?? After all I've done for you? *I* put your ass on the throne and now YOU want to leave ME??
2. Have your damn rose back. *Cutscene. GW throws rose. Thorns scratch Alistair. Alistair winces and gives an Alistairesque. "hayeee!" GW then continues in a mocking voice, "Oh here's pretty rose, see the pretty rose, I picked it and it was pretty and you're pretty..blah blah blah!!"
3. Fine! Have fun killing the bloody Archdemon on your own!! I'm going HOME!
4. You bahstaahd!!!

What can I say? I was hurt.. :-D

I did that on my second playthrough, knowing full well what was coming, and I was STILL hurt! I told him he was an ass and got -5 approval or something like that, and I was like "OH YEAH??? WELL -20 APPROVAL TO YOU BUDDY."

It's not that he's wrong in what he's saying--it's that he gives up so easily. There's magic in this world, there's the Urn, etc: there's got to be ways around the fertility thing. I understand where the character is coming from--feeling that he has to give up the thing that means the most to him because Duty and Sacrifice yadda yadda--but he lays it down as an ultimatum, which is frustrating. I guess the real frustration is that it's, you know, a video game, which means you can't have an actual conversation with him!

I got this on my first female PC playthrough. I was astonished by how much I felt like I'd really been dumped. It was extremely effective. And at first  my Cousland PC was very unaccepting, angry, and really bad at her job. Then she decided he was right, much as she didn't want to admit it, and grudgingly accepted it, even respected him for it.  It would be a crappy thing to do  to his wife when he married, and breaking up would only get more difficult. She wouldn't like being his mistress when he was married elsewhere, and she knew that by any natural means, an heir would be impossible. Blood magic was apparently a possibility, given the DR, but while she found that acceptable to ensure Alistair's survival, both because he was king and selfishly, she didn't think blood magic should be the go-to solution for every problem--or any that didn't involve the end of the world, really. Rock--hard place. She stayed on as chancellor because while it hurt to be near him, it would have been worse to leave.

My characters since then have been more selfish, making Wynne's prediction about love being selfish all too true.

I convinced a friend to play the game last winter.  She didn't think she'd be interested in roleplaying, and she kinda mocked the romance thing when she first discovered it.  But she really got sucked into it.   I tried warning her about what was to come, but she didn't take me seriously.  She got dumped.  And then she wasn't able to do the US.   She said she couldn't believe that a game could actually affect her so much.  But she was so devastated that she won't even consider giving it another try.

[Lady Jess]

errant_knight wrote...

I got this on my first female PC playthrough. I was astonished by how much I felt like I'd really been dumped. It was extremely effective. And at first  my Cousland PC was very unaccepting, angry, and really bad at her job. Then she decided he was right, much as she didn't want to admit it, and grudgingly accepted it, even respected him for it.  It would be a crappy thing to do  to his wife when he married, and breaking up would only get more difficult. She wouldn't like being his mistress when he was married elsewhere, and she knew that by any natural means, an heir would be impossible. Blood magic was apparently a possibility, given the DR, but while she found that acceptable to ensure Alistair's survival, both because he was king and selfishly, she didn't think blood magic should be the go-to solution for every problem--or any that didn't involve the end of the world, really. Rock--hard place. She stayed on as chancellor because while it hurt to be near him, it would have been worse to leave.

My characters since then have been more selfish, making Wynne's prediction about love being selfish all too true.

He's pretty darned relieved when you tell him "It's also not neccessary" about the heir thing, so I don't see it as a  problem for my Cousland. As if they'd be the first couple to have no fertility. I mean really, as affectionate and clearly in love as they are pretty much everyone would know it wasn't lack of trying.  Alistair also likes that answer. I never saw it as selfish, I see it as the country needs strong rulers NOW, and heir can be named by choice later too rather than conventional means (Bann Teagan, Fergus, Their future kids whatever). And the chances aren't THAT much better he could have an heir with anyone else.

[errant_knight]

Thing is, being the kind of guy that wouldn't want to cheat on his wife, even in a marriage of convenience, and who would but the kingdom ahead of his own happiness, is exactly why Alistair is so awesome.

[Lady Jess]

Had to dig for something for Thursday...skinny dipping?





Also, Shayle made herself the center of attention.

Connor: Mother you're beginning to bore me

Shayle: Oh good. I thought it was just me.

Everyone: *looks*

[Giggles_Manically]

errant_knight wrote...

Thing is, being the kind of guy that wouldn't want to cheat on his wife, even in a marriage of convenience, and who would but the kingdom ahead of his own happiness, is exactly why Alistair is so awesome.

Try telling that to my little sister who got dumped.
Sodding Hug Humper was the nicest thing she yelled at the screen.

Oghern would run away blushing hearing the screams that issued forth from her.

[Zjarcal]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

The style doesn't belong in DA, modern clothing like that should stay in games like Grand Theft Auto or Saints Row. Mods like the one above are only made for one reason--hormonal teenagers.

More Alistair Artwork by Aimo.

file:///C:/Users/C.J/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.pngfile:///C:/Users/C.J/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-3.png

Heh, it was probably made by a hormonal teenager!

But like I said, the actual work is good, not disgusting in the slightest, even if it doesn't fit the universe and like I said, I would never use it in my game (unless I wanted to take funny screenshots).

Modifié par Zjarcal, 23 septembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[errant_knight]

Lady Jess wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I got this on my first female PC playthrough. I was astonished by how much I felt like I'd really been dumped. It was extremely effective. And at first  my Cousland PC was very unaccepting, angry, and really bad at her job. Then she decided he was right, much as she didn't want to admit it, and grudgingly accepted it, even respected him for it.  It would be a crappy thing to do  to his wife when he married, and breaking up would only get more difficult. She wouldn't like being his mistress when he was married elsewhere, and she knew that by any natural means, an heir would be impossible. Blood magic was apparently a possibility, given the DR, but while she found that acceptable to ensure Alistair's survival, both because he was king and selfishly, she didn't think blood magic should be the go-to solution for every problem--or any that didn't involve the end of the world, really. Rock--hard place. She stayed on as chancellor because while it hurt to be near him, it would have been worse to leave.

My characters since then have been more selfish, making Wynne's prediction about love being selfish all too true.

He's pretty darned relieved when you tell him "It's also not neccessary" about the heir thing, so I don't see it as a  problem for my Cousland. As if they'd be the first couple to have no fertility. I mean really, as affectionate and clearly in love as they are pretty much everyone would know it wasn't lack of trying.  Alistair also likes that answer. I never saw it as selfish, I see it as the country needs strong rulers NOW, and heir can be named by choice later too rather than conventional means (Bann Teagan, Fergus, Their future kids whatever). And the chances aren't THAT much better he could have an heir with anyone else.

It's all in one's personal roleplay, of course, and written to be that way. Me. I think the can live with he heir thing--he wants to be with the PC just that much--but I think it still bothers him, just like the DR still bothers him.. That doesn't stop most of my PC's from going for it. Still, a Theirin heir is better than a non-Theirin heir, at least to my Cousland, so she does feel selfish, if willing and able to push that aside. You're making a choice to end the dynasty that united Ferelden into the country it is. Doesn't stop her from doing it.

Modifié par errant_knight, 23 septembre 2010 - 04:35 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Thing is, being the kind of guy that wouldn't want to cheat on his wife, even in a marriage of convenience, and who would but the kingdom ahead of his own happiness, is exactly why Alistair is so awesome.

Try telling that to my little sister who got dumped.
Sodding Hug Humper was the nicest thing she yelled at the screen.

Oghern would run away blushing hearing the screams that issued forth from her.

Strange how the world works.
Some girls hating Alistair for putting the good of the kingdom ahead of his happiness once.
Others liking that.

And me dissapointed that he didn't do precisely that and instead was too self-centered and personal. 

[Lady Jess]

errant_knight wrote...

Thing is, being the kind of guy that wouldn't want to cheat on his wife, even in a marriage of convenience, and who would but the kingdom ahead of his own happiness, is exactly why Alistair is so awesome.

True. But other things make him awesome as well. And I don't buy that he'd cheat on A Cousland queen to produce an heir.  Cailan didn't listen to Eamon, his own Uncle when it came to setting Anora aside, I don't think a hardened Alistair would either. That's not to say he wouldn't assign an heir of course, but I don't see him producing a bastard on Eamon's or the landsmeet's say so either. Besides, if you marry him Eamon goes back to Redcliffe. I think all my playthroughs in which I romance Alistair as king I've done that way. As Chancellor or Queen he goes away.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...
 Cailan didn't listen to Eamon, his own Uncle when it came to setting Anora aside, I don't think a hardened Alistair would either.

Eum what? You do realise Cailan cheated on Anora a lot? Not to mention his idiotic masterpiece of a plan with Celene.

[tuppence95]

Lady Jess wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Thing is, being the kind of guy that wouldn't want to cheat on his wife, even in a marriage of convenience, and who would but the kingdom ahead of his own happiness, is exactly why Alistair is so awesome.

True. But other things make him awesome as well. And I don't buy that he'd cheat on A Cousland queen to produce an heir.  Cailan didn't listen to Eamon, his own Uncle when it came to setting Anora aside, I don't think a hardened Alistair would either. That's not to say he wouldn't assign an heir of course, but I don't see him producing a bastard on Eamon's or the landsmeet's say so either. Besides, if you marry him Eamon goes back to Redcliffe. I think all my playthroughs in which I romance Alistair as king I've done that way. As Chancellor or Queen he goes away.

Actually, I thought Gaider revealed that Cailan was listening to Eamon and was planning on dumping Anora for Celene, of all people!  Didn't Maric also have something going with her?  How old is she, anyway? 

I loved the Shale quote you posted above!  

[errant_knight]

Lady Jess wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Thing is, being the kind of guy that wouldn't want to cheat on his wife, even in a marriage of convenience, and who would but the kingdom ahead of his own happiness, is exactly why Alistair is so awesome.

True. But other things make him awesome as well. And I don't buy that he'd cheat on A Cousland queen to produce an heir.  Cailan didn't listen to Eamon, his own Uncle when it came to setting Anora aside, I don't think a hardened Alistair would either. That's not to say he wouldn't assign an heir of course, but I don't see him producing a bastard on Eamon's or the landsmeet's say so either. Besides, if you marry him Eamon goes back to Redcliffe. I think all my playthroughs in which I romance Alistair as king I've done that way. As Chancellor or Queen he goes away.

I wasn't talking about his Couland queen, I meant random noblewoman. that he marries if you don't marry yourself to him. I have to respect that Alistair's values are such that he doesn't want to cheat on a woman that he hasn't even met yet. That's honorable. And while it's beside the pont of this discussion, the odds are pretty good that she's going to fall for her husband and would be harmed by an ongoing relationship between Alistair and the PC, even if she accepted it as a political reality. I mean c'mon! Alistair!

[Lady Jess]

errant_knight wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I got this on my first female PC playthrough. I was astonished by how much I felt like I'd really been dumped. It was extremely effective. And at first  my Cousland PC was very unaccepting, angry, and really bad at her job. Then she decided he was right, much as she didn't want to admit it, and grudgingly accepted it, even respected him for it.  It would be a crappy thing to do  to his wife when he married, and breaking up would only get more difficult. She wouldn't like being his mistress when he was married elsewhere, and she knew that by any natural means, an heir would be impossible. Blood magic was apparently a possibility, given the DR, but while she found that acceptable to ensure Alistair's survival, both because he was king and selfishly, she didn't think blood magic should be the go-to solution for every problem--or any that didn't involve the end of the world, really. Rock--hard place. She stayed on as chancellor because while it hurt to be near him, it would have been worse to leave.

My characters since then have been more selfish, making Wynne's prediction about love being selfish all too true.

He's pretty darned relieved when you tell him "It's also not neccessary" about the heir thing, so I don't see it as a  problem for my Cousland. As if they'd be the first couple to have no fertility. I mean really, as affectionate and clearly in love as they are pretty much everyone would know it wasn't lack of trying.  Alistair also likes that answer. I never saw it as selfish, I see it as the country needs strong rulers NOW, and heir can be named by choice later too rather than conventional means (Bann Teagan, Fergus, Their future kids whatever). And the chances aren't THAT much better he could have an heir with anyone else.

It's all in one's personal roleplay, of course, and written to be that way. Me. I think the can live with he heir thing--he wants to be with the PC just that much--but I think it still bothers him, just like the DR still bothers him.. That doesn't stop most of my PC's from going for it. Still, A Theirin heir is better than a non-Theirin heir, at least to my Cousland, so she does feel selfish, if willing and able to push that aside. Doesn't stop her from doing it.

I'm having a bit of trouble, even though it's totally in Jaina's personality, allowing him to marry Anora. I sort of have to rp Alistair a bit too, give him that little streak of deviousness (not sure thats a  word really but there it is). So he can see that they'd be best for Ferelden, and still grab his happiness with Jaina. She's a mage, she's grown up grabbing happiness wherever she could (behind bookshelves with Anders?...lol) . She can't marry him, she's double damned there, if he's sole ruler, they'll parade women at him constantly. And while I don't think he would marry anyone, Jaina is smart enough to know it would still cause him undue stress. So Marrying Anora, seems the best option for both of them. After All, Anora would get the same problem, constant pressure to marry.  Together, they can rule, never touch each other , balance each other out, get Eamon out of the way, shut the landsmeet up, and everyone's happy. But still, gonna be hard to actually do it.

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
 Cailan didn't listen to Eamon, his own Uncle when it came to setting Anora aside, I don't think a hardened Alistair would either.

Eum what? You do realise Cailan cheated on Anora a lot? Not to mention his idiotic masterpiece of a plan with Celene.

Cheated on yes, but he didn't dump her. We'll never know if he would have or not but as it stands, he refused Eamon.