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[Herr Uhl]

tuppence95 wrote...

Actually, I thought Gaider revealed that Cailan was listening to Eamon and was planning on dumping Anora for Celene, of all people!  Didn't Maric also have something going with her?  How old is she, anyway? 

There would be a severe pedo-warning on Maric if he did. She is about the same age as Cailan.

[Lady Jess]

Herr Uhl wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Actually, I thought Gaider revealed that Cailan was listening to Eamon and was planning on dumping Anora for Celene, of all people!  Didn't Maric also have something going with her?  How old is she, anyway? 

There would be a severe pedo-warning on Maric if he did. She is about the same age as Cailan.

Yeah there was nothing in the books about it. As far as we know Maric loved three women. Katriel, Rowan, and Fiona. They never really gave the impression he fooled around alot.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
 Cailan didn't listen to Eamon, his own Uncle when it came to setting Anora aside, I don't think a hardened Alistair would either.

Eum what? You do realise Cailan cheated on Anora a lot? Not to mention his idiotic masterpiece of a plan with Celene.

We only know that from Anora, when she's trying to get a potential mistress Warden out of the picture.  I don't doubt Cailan cheated, but Anora also does say that their marriage had "become more" than a political marriage.

Re. Celene:  She can't be Cailan's age.  Maric was planning to meet with her as of The Calling, and Cailan was a child in TC.

[errant_knight]

I'm not saying that all gameplay options aren't completely valid, in fact playing a PC with human weaknesses is more interesting than playing one who is perfect. I'm just saying the more rationalization one has to do, the more likely it is that one's PC is a realistically flawed human being rather than being more of a paladin. I've only played a truly 'good' PC the once, although all my PCs try to be good.

Modifié par errant_knight, 23 septembre 2010 - 04:55 .

[tuppence95]

Lady Jess wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Actually, I thought Gaider revealed that Cailan was listening to Eamon and was planning on dumping Anora for Celene, of all people!  Didn't Maric also have something going with her?  How old is she, anyway? 

There would be a severe pedo-warning on Maric if he did. She is about the same age as Cailan.

Yeah there was nothing in the books about it. As far as we know Maric loved three women. Katriel, Rowan, and Fiona. They never really gave the impression he fooled around alot.

Heh.  Then no, Maric wouldn't have had anything going on with Celene intimately.  But I vaguely remember him trying to hide from Loghain that he had made overtures to some sort of agreement with Orlais, and I thought Celene was involved.  I really should read those books again. 

[Jadiefever]

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Re. Celene:  She can't be Cailan's age.  Maric was planning to meet with her as of The Calling, and Cailan was a child in TC.

pedo- warning on Celene, then?

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Re. Celene:  She can't be Cailan's age.  Maric was planning to meet with her as of The Calling, and Cailan was a child in TC.

She ascended the throne at the age of 17. Was she empress yet?

[nos_astra]

Addai67 wrote...
Re. Celene:  She can't be Cailan's age.  Maric was planning to meet with her as of The Calling, and Cailan was a child in TC.

Hm, this would mean she's at least 12 years older than Cailan?
The Calling 9:10: Cailan ist 5, Celene 17 when she takes the throne?
Origins Ostagar 9:30: Cailan 25, Celene 37

[errant_knight]

This is probably getting a little far away from Alistair for the moderators....

[rak72]

If she is 12 yrs older than Calin, why would he dump Anora (who is only like 5 yrs older) for Celene, when the problem with Anora was that she was getting too old to have kids?

[Yankee23]

As much as I may not like it and it did upset me on my first play through when I got the breakup, I do respect Alistair for his feelings on cheating and choice to do what he thinks is best for the country. Aside from my first, all my wardens either end up as queen or they both go off to be grey wardens.

[inclemency]

Need some help, I need a name for this and I completely blank when trying to think of one. I put it aside, just did a little more tinkering but I'm done with it now, even though there's more work...

[Lady Jess]

errant_knight wrote...

I'm not saying that all gameplay options aren't completely valid, in fact playing a PC with human weaknesses is more interesting than playing one who is perfect. I'm just saying the more rationalization one has to do, the more likely it is that one's PC is a realistically flawed human being rather than being more of a paladin. I've only played a truly 'good' PC the once, althogh all my PCs try to be good.

I've played goody good almost every time. I keep saying oh this one will be different but no, I keep doing the same things over and over. Free the Dalish and Werewolves peacefully, don't sacrifice Isolde or connor (which kills me because the tower option annoys me to no end), Make Alistair sole king with my Amell as chancellor (she'd be the one that would step aside in the event of his marriage), gray warden with my dalish, King/Queen with my Cousland, My DNF let him end it as king and ended up with Zevran much to my surprise. Jaina is supposed to be the first to think differently. We'll see if she can do it (side with the werewolves, set up the marriage, stay in the relationship). She already sacrificed Isolde. Maybe if I can do it this time, my Cousland rerun can do some of the less "good" things too.

[KnightofPhoenix]

rak72 wrote...

If she is 12 yrs older than Calin, why would he dump Anora (who is only like 5 yrs older) for Celene, when the problem with Anora was that she was getting too old to have kids?

Because then he could have an Emperor's crown on top of his empty head.

[Lady Jess]

"Oh you want to...right now? Well, who am I to refuse?"





WTB skinny dipping with Alistair mod!

[tuppence95]

I'm not getting enough Alistair tent time.  I have to keep posting the same screenshots over and over on Thursdays.  And my Dalish mage still isn't getting close enough to him.

[Sialater]

Well, just to drag it back in... Would Alistair make overtures to Orlais?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sialater wrote...

Well, just to drag it back in... Would Alistair make overtures to Orlais?

He apparently doesn't mind what Cailan was doing. Or was too blind to understand what was happening. 

In either case, I would worry.

[Yankee23]

inclemency wrote...

Need some help, I need a name for this and I completely blank when trying to think of one. I put it aside, just did a little more tinkering but I'm done with it now, even though there's more work...

[snip]

I'm really bad at stuff like this and it's by no means original, plus there are probably tons of things named this but... "In death, sacrifice".

Modifié par Yankee23, 23 septembre 2010 - 05:11 .

[inclemency]

Yankee23 wrote...

inclemency wrote...

Need some help, I need a name for this and I completely blank when trying to think of one. I put it aside, just did a little more tinkering but I'm done with it now, even though there's more work...

[snip]

I'm really bad at stuff like this and it's by no means original, plus there are probably tons of things named this but... "In death, sacrifice".

That's a contender, the only one I keep thinking of is just:  'Oh, my love...'

[Sandtigress]

Sialater wrote...

Well, just to drag it back in... Would Alistair make overtures to Orlais?

I think it first depends on what you mean by "overtures".  Politically, maybe.  Romantically, I highly doubt it given Ferelden's recent bad relations with Orlais.  Even if Alistair were wililng to consider it, I don't think the Ferelden nobility would even begin to accept it until at least the current older generation - the ones who fought against the Orlesian occupancy - were dead.

As far as politically, I think he would still have trouble with the Bannorn, even if Alistair himself doesn't seem to have difficult with Orlais.  You don't really get any undercurrent of resent, for instance, when he talks about the Orlesian Wardens, though that could be in part because they are primarily Wardens and secondarily Orlesian in his mind.

Still, in many ways the king rules at the sufferance of the nobles, and I think they would be perfectly willing to rebel against him should enough of them resist an attempt on Alistair's behalf to treat with Orlais.  Anything that he did would probably have to be done very slowly, and later in his rule when he has hopefully convinced the Bannorn that he is competent and trustworthy.

[errant_knight]

Sandtigress wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Well, just to drag it back in... Would Alistair make overtures to Orlais?

I think it first depends on what you mean by "overtures".  Politically, maybe.  Romantically, I highly doubt it given Ferelden's recent bad relations with Orlais.  Even if Alistair were wililng to consider it, I don't think the Ferelden nobility would even begin to accept it until at least the current older generation - the ones who fought against the Orlesian occupancy - were dead.

As far as politically, I think he would still have trouble with the Bannorn, even if Alistair himself doesn't seem to have difficult with Orlais.  You don't really get any undercurrent of resent, for instance, when he talks about the Orlesian Wardens, though that could be in part because they are primarily Wardens and secondarily Orlesian in his mind.

Still, in many ways the king rules at the sufferance of the nobles, and I think they would be perfectly willing to rebel against him should enough of them resist an attempt on Alistair's behalf to treat with Orlais.  Anything that he did would probably have to be done very slowly, and later in his rule when he has hopefully convinced the Bannorn that he is competent and trustworthy.

Guys, take it to the Cailan thread.... We don't want to get shut down.

[Sandtigress]

Why would a conversation purely on what Alistair would do as King belong in the Cailan thread? And since when did theoretical conversation about what Alistair might do ever get the Alistair thread warned or shut down?

[Sarah1281]

Lady Jess wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
 Cailan didn't listen to Eamon, his own Uncle when it came to setting Anora aside, I don't think a hardened Alistair would either.

Eum what? You do realise Cailan cheated on Anora a lot? Not to mention his idiotic masterpiece of a plan with Celene.

Cheated on yes, but he didn't dump her. We'll never know if he would have or not but as it stands, he refused Eamon.

The first time, yeah. Although WoG has confirmed that Loghain was, against all odds, right about Cailan plotting to dump Anora for Celene.

But back on topic:

It's not that he's wrong in what he's saying--it's that he gives up so easily. There's magic in this world, there's the Urn, etc: there's got to be ways around the fertility thing. I understand where the character is coming from--feeling that he has to give up the thing that means the most to him because Duty and Sacrifice yadda yadda--but he lays it down as an ultimatum, which is frustrating. I guess the real frustration is that it's, you know, a video game, which means you can't have an actual conversation with him!

For a Cousland Warden, I could see that. For an elf, mage, or dwarf, however...I know he lists fertility as one of the reasons but it really doesn't matter if he and the non-Cousland Warden have twelve kids because he only needs a kid so he'll have an heir to the throne and there's no way a child who is half-dwarf, the child of a mage and at risk of being a mage or having mage children who can't inherit themselves, or an elf-blooded child will be accepted on the throne anytime soon.

[Sialater]

Last I checked we were talking about Alistair as king, not Cailan.



Frankly, I think the overtures (political -- I doubt he'd offer himself in marriage) would be few at first. And only if he were hardened. But he'd not cut them off at the knees, so to speak.