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[Sialater]

I agree! I do the same with fics.

[Lady Jess]

Addai67 wrote...

Me too, and it didn't de-install cleanly so I've had some minor game issues from WF leftovers.  Like invisible walls created by "Invisible Object" markers where a scroll was supposed to be.

Upgrade wand does that too, especially annoying in Vigil's Keep throne room. Grrr.  All I really want is Alistair to have some nice Noble clothing, not the icky crotch flap kind either, but in a flattering color. Like...ooo black.

[Lady Jess]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Angry Alistair...god this conversation was hard! Every other sentence he's spitting out "Blood Magic" like venom, and I just wanted to shriek "you big arse what do you think has been HEALING you!!!???"

*snip*

My mage had the "YOU KILLED CONNOR! HOW COULD YOU?!?" conversation with Alistair, which IMO was even
more annoying because my mage is *not* a Blood Mage and refused to let Jowan do the ritual *because* it used Blood Magic --with no obvious payoff in her opinion: The proposal is to use Blood Magic which will require one innocent (if annoying) person to die, or else one semi-innocent person will die? Sorry, no. For my mage it was a choice between the Circle or confront Connor, and Connor lost. Anyway, so I knew the angry rant in camp was coming and it was really difficult for me the game-player to hear. . .but my mage couldn't have cared less.

It's very strange romancing Alistair as a blood mage. He believes it's completely evil, yet never seems to notice it's being used around him all the time...lol

[inclemency]

Lady Jess wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Me too, and it didn't de-install cleanly so I've had some minor game issues from WF leftovers.  Like invisible walls created by "Invisible Object" markers where a scroll was supposed to be.

Upgrade wand does that too, especially annoying in Vigil's Keep throne room. Grrr.  All I really want is Alistair to have some nice Noble clothing, not the icky crotch flap kind either, but in a flattering color. Like...ooo black.

I wonder if the Phoenix armory will dye noble clothing black, haven't tried that yet.  Alistair would look good in black noble gear

[Sarah1281]

Sandtigress wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

For a Cousland Warden, I could see that. For an elf, mage, or dwarf, however...I know he lists fertility as one of the reasons but it really doesn't matter if he and the non-Cousland Warden have twelve kids because he only needs a kid so he'll have an heir to the throne and there's no way a child who is half-dwarf, the child of a mage and at risk of being a mage or having mage children who can't inherit themselves, or an elf-blooded child will be accepted on the throne anytime soon.

I've always been of the opinion that to him the fertility thing is the most important - he'd like to imagine he could work it out otherwise.  At the same time though, I don't think he's completely ignorant to the fact that the Bannorn would not accept a half-elven child or a mage on the throne especially.  I could see a llittle more leeway for a dwarf, since they're not explicitly considered less than human, but even so, they're not human, and Ferelden is a primarily human country.

Still though, to Alistair the fact that you're elven/dwarven/a mage is part of the charm and I think he'd try to find a way to make it work, even if he kenw he was going to fight a losing battle.  But his dedication to duty and doing what's right makes the infertility the main issue - it is his duty to have an heir of some sort and it's just not possible with a Warden lover.

So since both the fertility and the being unable to be accepted by the bannorn are problems, he's choosing to focus on the one that's more...fair, I guess, as it would apply to anyone who couldn't have kids and even Anora had to face pressure because of that? Do you think that if their fertility wasn't in question that he would have to face the reality of the bannorn's inability to accept it or he would attempt to make it work even though, again, they'd never accept her? 

I think he'd like to think he could make it work - that he'd put up more of a fight about ending the relationship.  I also think though that it would only be a matter of time before he had to face that it would never pass the approval of the nobles.

Now, if there was an heir (of his own) in place, I think he might be more willing to cause a stir since he had already done what he considered to be the duty standing in the way of what he wanted.  How much leeway he could get away with though is up for discussion, I think.

That's like this one in-progress story i'm reading where Alistair has a son with his Queen (who is unrepentently evil, of course) and has just kind of reunited with the Warden who still has reservations about being with a married King and is thinking about attempting to marry her although since it's still dealing with Flemeth right now who knows how that will turn out (realistically I think it will be bad as it's not a Cousland but it's fanfic so...)

[Sandtigress]

I have some ideas of my own on the subject, Sarah, but as it deals with future fic that I want to write, I'm reluctant to just blab it all on the forum. :-P You could PM me if you were interested in discussing it further though.

[Maria13]

Addai67 wrote...
Cougar attack!    You know Celene would be lusting after a King Alistair, too.

Actually Maria13 has a great story with similar themes called The Rain in Val Royeaux.  I can't link to ffnet from here to get the link though.

Thanks for the heads up, Addai67, yup Celene does lust a bit after Ali (she's around my age...) but...

Link in sig.

[Maria13]

My take is that even if Ali has an heir would he wish kingship/queenship on any child of his?

[Sarah1281]

Maria13 wrote...

My take is that even if Ali has an heir would he wish kingship/queenship on any child of his?

Isn't that why he'd have an heir? That's certainly why he talks about needing a child.

[Sandtigress]

Maria13 wrote...

My take is that even if Ali has an heir would he wish kingship/queenship on any child of his?

Wish it?  Maybe not - but just like it was his duty to step up to the throne when Ferelden needed him, I think he would see it as his/her duty as well.

On the other hand, much of his reluctance to take the crown has to do with the fact that his self-esteem was completely shattered growing up - he felt completely unworthy for the throne.  Knowing what happened to him, though, I would imagine Alistair would see to it that his child(ren) were brought up knowing what was going to be expected of them and given the tools and the courage by which to do so.  They'd be groomed for it, rather than having it thrust on them, and so in that situation, he might actually be proud to see them take the mantle on.

[Maria13]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

My take is that even if Ali has an heir would he wish kingship/queenship on any child of his?

Isn't that why he'd have an heir? That's certainly why he talks about needing a child.

Sorry wrongly phrased... If he had a child...  Talking is one thing the reality of kingship another... Maric presumably groomed Cailan and still he wasn't the best.  Perhaps his decision not to groom Ali was intentional...

[Sarah1281]

Maria13 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

My take is that even if Ali has an heir would he wish kingship/queenship on any child of his?

Isn't that why he'd have an heir? That's certainly why he talks about needing a child.

Sorry wrongly phrased... If he had a child...  Talking is one thing the reality of kingship another... Maric presumably groomed Cailan and still he wasn't the best.  Perhaps his decision not to groom Ali was intentional...

The fact that Cailan was an awful King doesn't really have anything to do with Maric not wanting him to be King and Alistair wasn't groomed to be King because of Rowan/Fiona/scandals/Cailan/whatever. Alistair would probably not want any of his children to be forced into a position where they'll need to be King and yet have no idea what they're doing like with what happens to him. Sure he learns but at the beginning he's mostly unprepared and I don't imagine that he'd enjoy that.

[Maria13]

Sandtigress wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

My take is that even if Ali has an heir would he wish kingship/queenship on any child of his?

Wish it?  Maybe not - but just like it was his duty to step up to the throne when Ferelden needed him, I think he would see it as his/her duty as well.

On the other hand, much of his reluctance to take the crown has to do with the fact that his self-esteem was completely shattered growing up - he felt completely unworthy for the throne.  Knowing what happened to him, though, I would imagine Alistair would see to it that his child(ren) were brought up knowing what was going to be expected of them and given the tools and the courage by which to do so.  They'd be groomed for it, rather than having it thrust on them, and so in that situation, he might actually be proud to see them take the mantle on.

I don't think his reluctance is only his self-esteem, it's that he suddenly realises how heavy the duties are... I think he would be proud if they wanted to take the mantle on but equally proud if they didn't, and did something equally valuable...  Taking on duties for oneself is one thing, imposing them on your nearest and dearest, quite another...

[Maria13]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

My take is that even if Ali has an heir would he wish kingship/queenship on any child of his?

Isn't that why he'd have an heir? That's certainly why he talks about needing a child.

Sorry wrongly phrased... If he had a child...  Talking is one thing the reality of kingship another... Maric presumably groomed Cailan and still he wasn't the best.  Perhaps his decision not to groom Ali was intentional...

The fact that Cailan was an awful King doesn't really have anything to do with Maric not wanting him to be King and Alistair wasn't groomed to be King because of Rowan/Fiona/scandals/Cailan/whatever. Alistair would probably not want any of his children to be forced into a position where they'll need to be King and yet have no idea what they're doing like with what happens to him. Sure he learns but at the beginning he's mostly unprepared and I don't imagine that he'd enjoy that.

Sorry again attempting to respond to two points in different mails in one.  I've no doubt Maric wanted Cailan to be King, but grooming doesn't always work...  I don't think Alistair would want his children to be monarchs if he thought that them being so would make them unhappy, however well prepared they were...

[MageTarot]

Happy Thursday all! Catching up on the posts here, sooo....

tuppence95 wrote...

OMG, my husband better never see that I'm giving a big thumbs up to this.    

Hahahah - Your secret is safe...for now...

tuppence95 also wrote...

Actually, my guy has a lot in common with Alistair.  

Would you mind if we had him cloned?

inclemency wrote...

I guess we should vote:   Best male love interest in a BioWare game Poll

Just cast my vote. Nice to see that while the poll is fairly new 50% of the votes cast so far have been for Alistair

Modifié par MageTarot, 23 septembre 2010 - 09:04 .

[leggywillow]

On the topic of heirs, what do you guys think Alistair would do if his dwarven/elven/mage mistress had a child?  This is a moot point since I think the writers have stated there is no possibility of Alistair and the Warden having a child (outside of fanfic magic, which I wholly support ). 

But *IF* his PC mistress had a child (whether he was married to Anora, someone else, or not married at all), what do you think Alistair would do about it?  It  seems to me he wouldn't even try to put the child forward as an heir, but what if he HAD no other heir and his Calling was closing in?  Would he try then, and would the Landsmeet accept it?  I guess this question is equally about Ferelden politics, but I'm curious.  On the one hand, the child would have an entirely inappropriate mother.  On the other hand, Eamon and traditionalists seem to think "NO ONE BUT A THEREIN!!!!" will do for the throne.

I guess I'm just curious to see where Eamon and other nobles would draw the line at putting a Therein on the throne, since in Origins it seems like something they'd do at any cost.

[Sarah1281]

I think that Alistair would insist on acknowledging it given how horrible his own upbringing was as an unrecognized bastard but would also be clear that this kid is inelligible for the throne. If he had no other kids, he's just have to appoint Fergus's children as heirs or something.

[Maria13]

leggywillow wrote...

On the topic of heirs, what do you guys think Alistair would do if his dwarven/elven/mage mistress had a child?  This is a moot point since I think the writers have stated there is no possibility of Alistair and the Warden having a child (outside of fanfic magic, which I wholly support ). 

But *IF* his PC mistress had a child (whether he was married to Anora, someone else, or not married at all), what do you think Alistair would do about it?  It  seems to me he wouldn't even try to put the child forward as an heir, but what if he HAD no other heir and his Calling was closing in?  Would he try then, and would the Landsmeet accept it?  I guess this question is equally about Ferelden politics, but I'm curious.  On the one hand, the child would have an entirely inappropriate mother.  On the other hand, Eamon and traditionalists seem to think "NO ONE BUT A THEREIN!!!!" will do for the throne.

I guess I'm just curious to see where Eamon and other nobles would draw the line at putting a Therein on the throne, since in Origins it seems like something they'd do at any cost.

Well actually this is something I'm trying to answer in my ff, where hardened Ali married to Anora is currently protecting the identity of his illegitimate child, while acknoledging her (a difficult balancing act), to give her the freedom to choose which he never had and to keep her safe...  Now if something like civil war threatened or the child was willing and ready he may be prepared to endorse them at a landsmeet however Ali doesn't necessarily believe you have a right to be a monarch just because of your bloodline... And I don't think Ferelden works like that anyway... I think in any event he would try to shield her from being manipulated like he was...

Modifié par Maria13, 23 septembre 2010 - 09:18 .

[Russalka]

I reduced the fertility problem into nothing with thinking that the power couple will no doubt have rabbity behaviour in their bedchambers and that Avernus no doubt will find a cure for many things.



I also had a vision of a mod that makes Alistair seem especially dashing to save his loved one from that horrible jail Fort Drakon. How he passionately tries to get through the guards and then will kiss my totally naked Warden after she is freed from the cell.

[tuppence95]

I was just looking at youtube videos and found one of the Anora + Alistair coronation after the DEF's US.  I've only had him marry Anora once, and I don't remember seeing this ...

At the beginning of the video I just watched, as the two of them were climbing the stairs, he reaches over and tries to hold Anora's hand and she quickly pulls it away.  Does he always do that?  The Dalish eulogy was so touching.  I loved the keeper's reaction when he called her forward and then gave her the land.  It almost makes me want to do the US with my current Dalish, but no, the two of them are riding off into the sunset together and going to rebuild the wardens.

[Lady Jess]

tuppence95 wrote...

I was just looking at youtube videos and found one of the Anora + Alistair coronation after the DEF's US.  I've only had him marry Anora once, and I don't remember seeing this ...

At the beginning of the video I just watched, as the two of them were climbing the stairs, he reaches over and tries to hold Anora's hand and she quickly pulls it away.  Does he always do that?  The Dalish eulogy was so touching.  I loved the keeper's reaction when he called her forward and then gave her the land.  It almost makes me want to do the US with my current Dalish, but no, the two of them are riding off into the sunset together and going to rebuild the wardens.

Yeah I saw the hand thing when hubby played through it. It made me chuckle. Hmm might be a good time for a well placed lightning bolt

[tuppence95]

MageTarot wrote...

tuppence95 also wrote...
Actually, my guy has a lot in common with Alistair.  

Would you mind if we had him cloned?

My husband has a similar goofy sense of humor and he used to have a shy romantic streak.  The first time he got up the nerve to tell me he loved me, he had to say it outside my bedroom window.   I guess I'd compare him more to an unhardened Alistair because I think his only big fault is his self-confidence.  But luckily he isn't facing a blight or being king, so it hasn't been too hard on him.

[Jadiefever]

My husband has a similar goofy sense of humor and he used to have a shy romantic streak.  The first time he got up the nerve to tell me he loved me, he had to say it outside my bedroom window. 

Ahh! That's adorable!

Uhm.. anyway. I like Thursdays.

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Modifié par Jadiefever, 23 septembre 2010 - 10:54 .

[Yankee23]

So, my books arrived today. I believe The Stolen Throne should be read first, yes?

[Sandtigress]

Yankee23 wrote...

So, my books arrived today. I believe The Stolen Throne should be read first, yes?

That is correct!