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[Merilsell]

Yep, then TC ^^ I have ditched TST after the first half as boring and went over to the calling, though. What? The Grey Warden lore and  Maric/Fiona were just too alluring *whistles*

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Modifié par Merilsell, 23 septembre 2010 - 11:08 .

[Reika]

Merisell, you owe me a new keyboard from that picture. I really should know better than to drink something while reading this thread.

[Jadiefever]

"I mean it's at least this big."

I giggled. hard.

[LadyDamodred]

Lady Jess wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Me too, and it didn't de-install cleanly so I've had some minor game issues from WF leftovers.  Like invisible walls created by "Invisible Object" markers where a scroll was supposed to be.

Upgrade wand does that too, especially annoying in Vigil's Keep throne room. Grrr.  All I really want is Alistair to have some nice Noble clothing, not the icky crotch flap kind either, but in a flattering color. Like...ooo black.

Eh?

[Merilsell]

Reika wrote...

Merisell, you owe me a new keyboard from that picture. I really should know better than to drink something while reading this thread.

Aww, sorry. No wait I'm not.

Though the pic was donated by the great tmp, I just did the caption. Yeah, that's how far my photoediting skills reach, lol.

[errant_knight]

inclemency wrote...

I'm going through some screenshot folders, and came across this expression, which says it all about Alistair's feelings towards Anora...
*snip*

What a great shot of his expression! Yeah...not impressed.

[errant_knight]

Lady Jess wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Angry Alistair...god this conversation was hard! Every other sentence he's spitting out "Blood Magic" like venom, and I just wanted to shriek "you big arse what do you think has been HEALING you!!!???"

*snip*

My mage had the "YOU KILLED CONNOR! HOW COULD YOU?!?" conversation with Alistair, which IMO was even
more annoying because my mage is *not* a Blood Mage and refused to let Jowan do the ritual *because* it used Blood Magic --with no obvious payoff in her opinion: The proposal is to use Blood Magic which will require one innocent (if annoying) person to die, or else one semi-innocent person will die? Sorry, no. For my mage it was a choice between the Circle or confront Connor, and Connor lost. Anyway, so I knew the angry rant in camp was coming and it was really difficult for me the game-player to hear. . .but my mage couldn't have cared less.

It's very strange romancing Alistair as a blood mage. He believes it's completely evil, yet never seems to notice it's being used around him all the time...lol

To me, that's just not very good game design. I get that they're trying not to force morality, but characters should still behave logically. Wynne shouldn't be able to be a blood mage, and Alistair should notice when you use blood magic and not be willing to romance a blood mage. 'It's evil, but I love you anyway' just doesn't make any sense. I suppose it's because it would feel like a punishment to the player not to be able to romance Alistair, but it leads to complete incongrity and wtf-ness, especially given his extremely strong feelings about it, and the fact that a templar should be able to tell when you're using blood magic.

Still, are you folks really surprised that he reacts badly if you kill Eamon's wife or son when there's another alternative? To me that's one of the too few instances where companions DO react in a way that's consistant with their beliefs when you do something that goes against them. Half the time, they go along with the PCs decisions as if their brains were made of jello.

Modifié par errant_knight, 23 septembre 2010 - 11:44 .

[Siduri]

In my first playthrough I was only too happy to sacrifice Isolde, since Alistair had told me all about how she tormented him as a child. He chewed me out afterwards, but I was able to minimize the damage through dialogue options. Alistair is a way better person than I am.

Modifié par Siduri, 23 septembre 2010 - 11:52 .

[Morwen Eledhwen]

errant_knight wrote...

Still, are you folks really surprised that he reacts badly if you kill Eamon's wife or son when there's another alternative? To me that's one of the too few instances where companions DO react in a way that's consistant with their beliefs when you do something that goes against them. Half the time, they go along with the PCs decisions as if their brains were made of jello.

The fact that he reacts badly is not the surprise; it's that he waits until AFTERWARDS to do so. At the castle, he's all "Well  it's too bad, but he is an abomination, only one thing to do in that situation". Even after the alternative is proposed, he doesn't express an opinion one way or another (except to stress his distaste for using blood magic), and lets the PC make the choice without a murmur. Then suddenly out of absolutely nowhere, he brings the hammer down in camp when it's too late to do anything about it. That's the part I found surprising and somewhat irritating.

[Sialater]

tuppence95 wrote...

MageTarot wrote...

tuppence95 also wrote...
Actually, my guy has a lot in common with Alistair.  

Would you mind if we had him cloned?

My husband has a similar goofy sense of humor and he used to have a shy romantic streak.  The first time he got up the nerve to tell me he loved me, he had to say it outside my bedroom window.   I guess I'd compare him more to an unhardened Alistair because I think his only big fault is his self-confidence.  But luckily he isn't facing a blight or being king, so it hasn't been too hard on him.

Mine drew a heart on my bare shoulder.  I couldn't figure out what he was trying to do at first.

So yeah... There are some things that are different, obviously.  But Alistair does remind me of him.

[Yankee23]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Me too, and it didn't de-install cleanly so I've had some minor game issues from WF leftovers.  Like invisible walls created by "Invisible Object" markers where a scroll was supposed to be.

Upgrade wand does that too, especially annoying in Vigil's Keep throne room. Grrr.  All I really want is Alistair to have some nice Noble clothing, not the icky crotch flap kind either, but in a flattering color. Like...ooo black.

Eh?
[snip]

Where did you get those? These aren't bad but I like the black on yours.



EDIT: To add some smut.

Modifié par Yankee23, 23 septembre 2010 - 11:58 .

[tuppence95]

My Dalish mage killed Conner this time.  It was pretty awful.  Don't think I'll be doing that again.  She let Jowan go and had heard the rumors about what was going on at the tower, so she didn't feel like she had any choice.  Of course Alistair was furious.  Understandably.  But I wish he could've been reminded that he was the first one to suggest it.

I don't have anymore smut to post.  

When I took this screenshot just now, I was wondering ... do fans of other companions have them running around nude like this?  Poor Alistair doesn't even have his barbarian helmet anymore.  I must've sold it at camp by mistake.

[errant_knight]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Still, are you folks really surprised that he reacts badly if you kill Eamon's wife or son when there's another alternative? To me that's one of the too few instances where companions DO react in a way that's consistant with their beliefs when you do something that goes against them. Half the time, they go along with the PCs decisions as if their brains were made of jello.

The fact that he reacts badly is not the surprise; it's that he waits until AFTERWARDS to do so. At the castle, he's all "Well  it's too bad, but he is an abomination, only one thing to do in that situation". Even after the alternative is proposed, he doesn't express an opinion one way or another (except to stress his distaste for using blood magic), and lets the PC make the choice without a murmur. Then suddenly out of absolutely nowhere, he brings the hammer down in camp when it's too late to do anything about it. That's the part I found surprising and somewhat irritating.

Well, that's straight ahead gameplay, not characterization. If they didn't do it that way, Alistair would be telling you exactly what to do the whole game, which would really ****** people off. He actually does so surprisingly often, if you look at his comments in light of what you know about him. He points out the 'good' path a lot of the time. He warns you when decision is going to have big repercussions in just about every case except those which directly relate to his character. A lot of players don't want NPC opinions, and really don't want to hear about it if an NPC disagrees. Look at how many people revile Wynne.

[KnightofPhoenix]

errant_knight wrote...
Still, are you folks really surprised that he reacts badly if you kill Eamon's wife or son when there's another alternative?

When the alternative is completely idiotic? Yes.
Not to mention that he's the one who suggests an option that he supposedely feels so strongly against. 

[inclemency]

Yankee23 wrote...


Where did you get those? These aren't bad but I like the black on yours.

snip

I used the Phoenix armory to recolor some noble clothing, but couldn't get black. The one on the right is what you get using black, the one on the left is what you get using grey - they didn't turn out very well

Modifié par inclemency, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:03 .

[tuppence95]

Sialater wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

MageTarot wrote...

tuppence95 also wrote...
Actually, my guy has a lot in common with Alistair.  

Would you mind if we had him cloned?

My husband has a similar goofy sense of humor and he used to have a shy romantic streak.  The first time he got up the nerve to tell me he loved me, he had to say it outside my bedroom window.   I guess I'd compare him more to an unhardened Alistair because I think his only big fault is his self-confidence.  But luckily he isn't facing a blight or being king, so it hasn't been too hard on him.

Mine drew a heart on my bare shoulder.  I couldn't figure out what he was trying to do at first.

So yeah... There are some things that are different, obviously.  But Alistair does remind me of him.

That's really sweet!  

[errant_knight]

tuppence95 wrote...

My Dalish mage killed Conner this time.  It was pretty awful.  Don't think I'll be doing that again.  She let Jowan go and had heard the rumors about what was going on at the tower, so she didn't feel like she had any choice.  Of course Alistair was furious.  Understandably.  But I wish he could've been reminded that he was the first one to suggest it.

I don't have anymore smut to post.  

When I took this screenshot just now, I was wondering ... do fans of other companions have them running around nude like this?  Poor Alistair doesn't even have his barbarian helmet anymore.  I must've sold it at camp by mistake.

*snip*

I often wonder how people would react if Morrigan and Leliana fans had them running around naked all the time. I suspect it wouldn't be positive.

Modifié par errant_knight, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:03 .

[errant_knight]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Still, are you folks really surprised that he reacts badly if you kill Eamon's wife or son when there's another alternative?

When the alternative is completely idiotic? Yes.
Not to mention that he's the one who suggests an option that he supposedely feels so strongly against. 

So, you'd be completely understanding if it was your family? Or as close to one as you had? Sorry, I don't believe it.. And he mentions that possible solution before he knows there is alternative. Once there's another way, that's different. Now there's a solution that can save them.

Er, KoP? You might want to rethink calling other people's gameplay choices 'idiotic.'

Sidenote: I'm more than a little jealous that so many of you folks have such charming husbands.

Modifié par errant_knight, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:10 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

errant_knight wrote...
So, you'd be completely understanding if it was your family? Or as close to one as you had? Sorry, I don't believe it.. And he mentions that possible solution before he knows there is alternative. Once there's another way, that's different. Now there's a solution that can save them.

You mean would I leave what's rest of my family to a demon on the loose, while I try finding another solution for a couple of days, compeltely oblivious to the fact that I've put all of them in danger again? You don't have to believe it, but I would do the hard choice and not decide to risk all those still alive because I might lose some sleep.

That "other way" is compeltely idiotic and I never consider it. A cheap 3rd way out that makes no sense.  

EDIT: I am not saying those who pick it are idiots (I question their common sense however). I am saying those who put it in the game are idiotis for not making any consequences whatsoever and turning it into a cheap way out of a hard choice.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:13 .

[Siduri]

So I've been noticing in my most recent playthrough that Alistair objects to most of your new companions. It's understandable that he would object to Zevran, who after all has just attempted to kill you, and his problems with Morrigan are pretty obvious too, but he'll even try to talk you out of recruiting Leliana or Shale. I'm starting to think that Alistair is just jealous and doesn't want his Warden BFF to have any other friends!

[Sarah1281]

errant_knight wrote...

Still, are you folks really surprised that he reacts badly if you kill Eamon's wife or son when there's another alternative? To me that's one of the too few instances where companions DO react in a way that's consistant with their beliefs when you do something that goes against them. Half the time, they go along with the PCs decisions as if their brains were made of jello.

There is no reason you should get the 'you should have gone to the Circle!' angry speech if you did the Circle before Redcliffe and annulled it.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:13 .

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Siduri wrote...

In my first playthrough I was only too happy to sacrifice Isolde, since Alistair had told me all about how she tormented him as a child. He chewed me out afterwards, but I was able to minimize the damage through dialogue options. Alistair is a way better person than I am.

In my first playthrough, Connor died, but it wasn't my PC's intention for that to happen. She didn't want to waste time traveling to the Circle and give the demon time to re-arm and continue the torment of Redcliffe Village. So she went to talk to Connor to see if he could help her --expel the demon so she could kill it and not him, or something. And it seemed to work --he agreed to try, the demon jumped out of him, she and her demon lackeys were dispatched; but Connor was hurt from the encounter all the same, and his mother put him out of his misery. Alistair yelled at my PC for killing Connor but she expressed remorse and explained that she hadn't meant for it to happen and had really tried her best. Minus 9 approval, but it could have been worse.

My next PC was a City Elf so she didn't care so much if a village full of humans got wiped out while she traveled to the Circle, so that's what she did. Nothing but love from Alistair in camp afterwards.

My Mage is a very logical character and not very emotional, so she dismissed the blood magic ritual as employing distasteful tactics for an outcome that would be the same, empirically, as just killing Connor: one life for one life. More lives might be lost from the village if she took time to travel to the Circle, but then again Teagan's and Ser Perth's men may be able to keep any new corpses or suits of armor or whatever at bay as long as they acted quickly enough. While she was thinking it over, she went to talk to Connor and look around at the rest of the castle to see if there were any more enemies. Part of her "looking around" took her to the door of Eamon's chamber. . .which made the demon go berserk, leap out of Connor and start fighting. Oops. After the fight was over, Isolde of course came rushing in, and after seeing that there was nothing left to do for Connor but end his pain, she begged my Mage to let her do it. Her request was granted, but my Mage kept a close eye on her in case she tried anything stupid. In camp, Alistair came down on her hard. My Mage defended her refusal to use blood magic and offered no apology for what had happened. Minus 24 approval from Alistair. I said "Ouch", but my Mage wasn't fussed. In fact she gave Alistair his mother's amulet back immediately afterwards.

[Sarah1281]

In fact she gave Alistair his mother's amulet back immediately afterwards.

So I've heard of several people saying that they do that to get the approval back up and I understand the metagaming reason but what RP reason do you have for listening to him ranting about how you're a horrible person for killing Isolde or Connor and then saying 'Yeah, that's great. BTW, do you want this cool necklace I found?'

Edit: And for that matter, how do you even know it's his mother's necklace in the first place? In-game it's labelled but does Eamon actually have a note attached saying 'Give to Alistair'?

Modifié par Sarah1281, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:16 .

[AnniLau]

Merilsell wrote...

I'd flee in terror if I were ever confronted by a 'lamp post' that large.

Modifié par AnniLau, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:16 .

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Sarah1281 wrote...

In fact she gave Alistair his mother's amulet back immediately afterwards.

So I've heard of several people saying that they do that to get the approval back up and I understand the metagaming reason but what RP reason do you have for listening to him ranting about how you're a horrible person for killing Isolde or Connor and then saying 'Yeah, that's great. BTW, do you want this cool necklace I found?'

Edit: And for that matter, how do you even know it's his mother's necklace in the first place? In-game it's labelled but does Eamon actually have a note attached saying 'Give to Alistair'?

I think Alistair describes it a little bit in his conversation with you, but otherwise it might be one of those "suspension of disbelief" things between in-game and out-of-game. After all, how are you supposed to know that Sten gets all the paintings, or Morrigan gets a mirror, or whatever? [Edit] and if you travel to the Circle without Morrigan in your party, she has no chance to tell you the significance of the black grimoire in Irving's desk. But you give it to Morrigan anyway. . .

My RP reasons for giving Alistair the amulet were that (a) she had meant to give it to him as soon as she found it anyway, and since his yelling at her didn't bother her too much in the first place it wasn't going to put her off from her set intention; and ( it was kind of meant to be an, "Are you finished? Great. By the way, here." kind of a move. She was even more amused when, in the speech where he accepts the amulet, Alistair berated himself for his selfish, childish temper and destructive tendency to overreact.  He didn't seem to make a connection, though.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:29 .