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[LadyDamodred]

Sarah1281 wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Would any of you cheated on Alistair given the option?

Does it count as 'cheating' if it's a political marriage and you've already talked about that? I know even in the post-Landsmeet scene you can pretty much tell him you'll be sleeping with other people to get that heir.

The question was directed at his fans, this is his squee thread afterall.

I'm well aware of what thread that is. I do have more than one playthrough that's done the Alistiar romance and one that has a Queen Cousland. I was just wondering whether it counts as cheating if he knows the score. If the Alistair thread is not the appropriate place to ask a question about marriarge to Alistair then maybe you could direct me towards the thread that would be more more suitable.

It depends, I suppose.  I am very much not a fan of marrying Alistair with the intetion of continuing an affair with someone else.  His honor code basically states that he will not look outside the marriage for sex.  It seems grossly unfair to chain him to that, while still doing what you want as queen.  You do get negative approval when you say you're gonna sleep with other people, so I think he clearly sees it as cheating. And I assume the vows included something about fidelity, so in my mind, yes, it is cheating, even if you had no intetion of being faithful in the first place.

Rawr.


That's Carys in the background, by the way, going "Huh.  I think maybe the Dalish need to start training with sword and shield."

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 25 septembre 2010 - 02:43 .

[RogueWarrior626]

True forgive me for that.Slipped my mind.I havent played awakening for awhile.There is resemblence though.

[RogueWarrior626]

You know I honestly believe that BW will never be able to top Alistar in future DA games as far as romantic chacter.He's the all around perfect guy What every lady or other dreams of.

[errant_knight]

@Grumpy Re: Anora slide. Since only the slide itself is present in the toolkit, not a script to call it, or anything, I figure they thought better of including it for some reason, so I'm going to hold off unless some evidence that it was an errorn not a choice turns up.



I liked the bit with Alistair in Awakening fine. Really, I think it would be OOC for him to be more demonstrative unless something really extreme was going on. I mean, he's with soldiers and templars--and he's the king. He was reluctant to kiss you in front of your dog, for gosh sake!



Didn't bother me that he was with templars, either. If they're going to the same place, it's not like he'd tell them to get off his road. I'd expect that a short distance away, there's a camp full of the king's men, and he told them to stay, he'd just walk up to the keep with the templars. He probably leaves the kingly escort behind any time he can shake them.



None of my PCs would dream of cheating on Alistair ever with anyone. They would likely react very badly to the suggestion.

[tuppence95]

LadyDamodred wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

 And speaking of Awakening ... what do you think Alistair whispered to his wife?  I'm sure it was hot.  

To quote a Gaider snark  "I NEVER LOVED YOU!" Knowing Alistair, i think he would say something charming like "I'll miss you my love."

"I'll miss you,my love. And when you get back, (for some reason your "insert favorite kinky thing here" wasn't included in the quote so I'm typing it in) ." 

That reminds me ... that link that Grumpy posted earlier in the week  ...   That's probably the reason that I'm not getting enough sleep lately!  Spending too much time over there!  

[MageTarot]

RogueWarrior626 wrote...

You know I honestly believe that BW will never be able to top Alistar in future DA games as far as romantic chacter.He's the all around perfect guy What every lady or other dreams of.

Didn't know if you saw this. I posted it about 4-5 days ago but just in case you missed it:

[errant_knight]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Would any of you cheated on Alistair given the option?

Does it count as 'cheating' if it's a political marriage and you've already talked about that? I know even in the post-Landsmeet scene you can pretty much tell him you'll be sleeping with other people to get that heir.

The question was directed at his fans, this is his squee thread afterall.

I'm well aware of what thread that is. I do have more than one playthrough that's done the Alistiar romance and one that has a Queen Cousland. I was just wondering whether it counts as cheating if he knows the score. If the Alistair thread is not the appropriate place to ask a question about marriarge to Alistair then maybe you could direct me towards the thread that would be more more suitable.

It depends, I suppose.  I am very much not a fan of marrying Alistair with the intetion of continuing an affair with someone else.  His honor code basically states that he will not look outside the marriage for sex.  It seems grossly unfair to chain him to that, while still doing what you want as queen.  You do get negative approval when you say you're gonna sleep with other people, so I think he clearly sees it as cheating. And I assume the vows included something about fidelity, so in my mind, yes, it is cheating, even if you had no intetion of being faithful in the first place.

Rawr.
*snip*

That's Carys in the background, by the way, going "Huh.  I think maybe the Dalish need to start training with sword and shield."

Yep, exactly, but I don't think it ever depends. Cheating is cheating, whether you marry for love, money, or power. Not being in love doesn't absolve you somehow.

[LadyDamodred]

I should say, I'm fine with the political marriage, especially if you're friends. I just wouldn't expect Alistair to remain faithful, as you know he would, while my PC runs about with someone else.

[RogueWarrior626]

Magetarot I did miss that before.Thanks Lol. How true.

[MageTarot]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Would any of you cheated on Alistair given the option?

My rogue Arturo did not and would not cheat. If there was an option to say whatever you wanted to after the First Night with Alistair, I would have told him "How can I give you my heart when you already have it?"

My mage Roland was a different story. He was so hurt after being dumped he ended up doing the nasty with Zevran and made the ultimate sacrifice. Sure, Alistair went on and on about how the breakup hurt him so much and that he cared for me but I was like, "If you cared for me you wouldn't have dumped me." When the smoke cleared he ended up as both king and the Last Grey Warden in Ferelden.

Bittersweet? Yep. Emotionally satisfying ending to the mage's tale? You betcha.

Modifié par MageTarot, 25 septembre 2010 - 03:11 .

[errant_knight]

LadyDamodred wrote...

I should say, I'm fine with the political marriage, especially if you're friends. I just wouldn't expect Alistair to remain faithful, as you know he would, while my PC runs about with someone else.

I'm not saying one can't do it, or deal with each other amicably, just that it's still cheating. And while Alistair probably wouldn't raise a stink, I don't think he'd do the same, or think it was perfectly fine.

Modifié par errant_knight, 25 septembre 2010 - 03:13 .

[LadyDamodred]

Agreed. Completely. Alistair would not cheat, and I don't think the PC should either.



If people want to do that, go for it. I'm not going to criticize anyone's game choice. I just disagree with it personally.

[Maria13]

tuppence95 wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

 And speaking of Awakening ... what do you think Alistair whispered to his wife?  I'm sure it was hot.  

To quote a Gaider snark  "I NEVER LOVED YOU!" Knowing Alistair, i think he would say something charming like "I'll miss you my love."

"I'll miss you,my love. And when you get back, (for some reason your "insert favorite kinky thing here" wasn't included in the quote so I'm typing it in) ." 

That reminds me ... that link that Grumpy posted earlier in the week  ...   That's probably the reason that I'm not getting enough sleep lately!  Spending too much time over there!  

You mean the adult ff. link...

[Giggles_Manically]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Agreed. Completely. Alistair would not cheat, and I don't think the PC should either.

If people want to do that, go for it. I'm not going to criticize anyone's game choice. I just disagree with it personally.

I agree with this too.
All my HNM, dont marry Anora because they are with Leliana.
My two HNF well one married Alistair, and the other ran off with Zevran.

The idea of a political marriage.... just not me.

[errant_knight]

Of course, it needs to be acknowledged that Alistair will cheat, or at least can plan to do so, if he stays in a relationship with the PC and plans to marry eleswhere--if hardened. This isn't his instinct, though, and requires convincing by the PC, and that he be in love, or it won't happen. Sometimes it doesn't happen even then. I suppose, that like most human beings, he's capable of rationlizing things that he really wants in the face of pressure to do so. I have to wonder if he would actually be able to continue on that course if, once married, he saw that it was hurting the woman he married. I have a feeling that eventually he wouldn't be able to stomach it. Just my personal feeling, of course, which has no bearing on other people's roleplay.

Modifié par errant_knight, 25 septembre 2010 - 03:44 .

[LadyDamodred]

A lot of fics have that happening, actually. He gets married and the duplicity of it eats away at him and he eventually ends it with the PC.

[danitza81]

errant_knight wrote...

Of course, it needs to be acknowledged that Alistair will cheat, or at least believe that he will, if he stays in a relationship with the PC and plans to marry eleswhere. This isn't his instinct, though, and requires convincing by the PC, and that he be in love, or it won't happen. Sometimes it doesn't happen even then. I suppose, that like most human beings, he's capable of rationlizing things that he really wants in the face of pressure to do so. I have to wonder if he would actually be able to continue on that course if, once married, he saw that it was hurting the woman he married. I have a feeling that eventually he wouldn't be able to stomach it. Just my personal feeling, of course, which has no bearing on other people's roleplay.

Agreed. I have a hard time imagining Alistair being ok with the whole situation after his heir is born.

[MKDAWUSS]

Do you think his marriage to Anora works out that well?

[errant_knight]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Do you think his marriage to Anora works out that well?

Personally, no, although I know others see more hope there. To my way of thinking, her father and his brother stand between them in a way that would be virtually impossible for them to get past, not to mention the fact that their personalities and world views seem likely to rub each other the wrong way, or even lead to outright hostility. To me, this marriage is one of the saddest possible endings from an emotional point of view, if not a political one.

Modifié par errant_knight, 25 septembre 2010 - 04:07 .

[tuppence95]

Maria13 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...
That reminds me ... that link that Grumpy posted earlier in the week  ...   That's probably the reason that I'm not getting enough sleep lately!  Spending too much time over there!  

You mean the adult ff. link...

Yes.  There's some icky stuff over there.  I don't like rape/torture kink.  But some of it is hard to stop reading!  I mostly like the Alistair stories.   I find myself thinking I'll just read one short story ... and then hours later, I'm still reading!  

[Giggles_Manically]

Which is why I see letting hardened Alistair wipe out Loghain, and get on the throne by himself the happiest, or with the PC he loves.



How he does it is eerily similar to Calenhad and Maric though.

[SurelyForth]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Do you think his marriage to Anora works out that well?

I think that having him marry Anora is probably the best case scenario for a mistress, tbh. Two strong rulers, so he won't be under as much pressure, and Anora is perfectly content to never remarry on her own, so being queen is its own reward. The fact that he sees her as being so much like Loghain does not bode well for his ability to fall in deep and abiding love with her, especially if he's already in love with another woman. And I think, of all potential queens, Anora is the one who would be most all right with him having a mistress and that would, in turn, lessen his guilt (not that he seems guilty in the slightest at the coronation). 

[nos_astra]

errant_knight wrote...
I have to wonder if he would actually be able to continue on that course if, once married, he saw that it was hurting the woman he married. I have a feeling that eventually he wouldn't be able to stomach it. Just my personal feeling, of course, which has no bearing on other people's roleplay.

I agree that the relationship would be strained in the long run but I think the reasons for the eventual break-up would be a lot more complex than that.

Modifié par klarabella, 25 septembre 2010 - 04:10 .

[tuppence95]

I know the epilogues show the Alistair-Anora marriage as being good for Ferelden, but that sounded like an unreal, fairy tale type ending to me.  Their personalities might balance each other out in a way that's good for their people, but I really doubt that they end up happy with each other.