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[Lanfaer01]

not enough Alistair on this page ...





this wasn't according to plan -.-

Modifié par Lanfaer01, 27 septembre 2010 - 11:53 .

[Jadiefever]

Maria13 wrote...

Jadiefever wrote...

Oh ho! I was here for last smut Thursday. I never did give my opinion on the DR.

Now's your chance...

Well, I was reserving judgement because as I said a few pages back, I've started over so many times, I haven't gotten that far, and I didn't really wanna say anything, However, it's not like I don't know what happens,so, here goes:

Morrigan is a selfish creature, by way of her upbringing, and I do not hold that against her, HOWEVER, she and my Warden always become friends, as I can't stand her snarkiness as it is. They've been traveling together for over a year by this point, and I would imagine that by this point the death and destruction around Morrigan would make her realize, contrary to her survival-of-the fittest philosophy, that it doesn't matter if she's the last one standing, when there's noone left to have her sort of "power" over. She should have mentioned it sooner, though, as it would have made the descision not be so rushed. I'm gonna do it when I get there, since Adrianne Cousland wants to be queenie.

Depending on how you go about it, Morrigan does/can consider you a friend, but I think her isolation goes far beyond how to "eat at a table and bargain without offending" it's emotional too. Sometimes I don't think she realizes, or cares (by default) that what she's doing is...going to hurt as much as it does. And as she views love as meaningless, she would probably not place any propriety or even consider Alisairs views on intimacy. To her, it's not a big deal, lets just make a baby.

Sorry if any of that didn't make sense, I'll be glad to clarify. My thoughts weren't really that organized. Speaking of intimacy

Pillow talk, sorta, YAY!


I know the armor is sort of...revealing, but it was the closest thing I had for casual camp wear...

Modifié par Jadiefever, 27 septembre 2010 - 12:04 .

[DahliaLynn]

Lanfaer01 wrote...

not enough Alistair on this page ...

sadly *snipped*

this wasn't according to plan -.-

I am actually happy that made Top !! <3<3<3<3

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 27 septembre 2010 - 12:03 .

[Briiel]

For me, I look at the characters in game as being normal :

Jowan : That one whiney friend you want to slap
Morrigan : That one friend who is a witch but you love or hate her
Wynne: That friend that means well and offers alot of advice even when you don't want it.
Zevran: That casanova friend who has a certain charm about him.
Leliana: That very sweet friend who means well but likes to tell stories.
Ohgren: Drinking Buddy and (I see him as a sports watcher)
Sten: That know it all ,views stuck in one direction.
Dog: Hes such a good boy
Anora: Popular Girl ,Cheerleader captain in high school
Howe: That ass you always want to get away from because hes annoying
Lohgain:That Righteous Bully
Eamon: The friend who is older and like a uncle
Teagan: That crush you wish you would have said something to but never did
ALISTAIR: Well this is a Alistair gush thread so we all know our thoughts on him :wub:

*edits* Shale: That snarky friend you get some laughs out of

(sorry for any misspellings its in the am and my coffee hasn't kicked in)
and is there a mod that gives you eyeliner?? I see some of you with really pretty eyes and im kind of jealous

Modifié par Briiel, 27 septembre 2010 - 01:34 .

[mellifera]

Heh, Morrigan again? Eh, I just don't think it is fair to get so mad at her over the DR. You are the one making the choice. You may not like it or that she uses the situation to get something like that from you, but you can just say no. It not you weren't going to die anyway. You carry the burden just as much as her. I don't really get what her telling the PC about the DR early would have accomplished.

[Giggles_Manically]

yukidama wrote...

Heh, Morrigan again? Eh, I just don't think it is fair to get so mad at her over the DR. You are the one making the choice. You may not like it or that she uses the situation to get something like that from you, but you can just say no. It not you weren't going to die anyway. You carry the burden just as much as her. I don't really get what her telling the PC about the DR early would have accomplished.

While the above does bug me, its how both her and Alistair will leave a nation to burn if they dont get their way.
That just annoys me to no end, that a person would do that.

Also unless I RP it, Morrigan does a terrible job at selling it.

[Sarah1281]

Maria13 wrote...



Actually, I think I do hate her because she shows no compassion, in her eyes only the fittest deserve to survive... All the rest are there to be used. That's a horribly inmoral philosophy IMO. And yet when it's turned on her, when at the forge you say "OK, I'll make you into a golem first then..." she immediately changes her tune. Hypocrite.



On the argument that she offers you an out, that she is not responsible for the situation you find yourself in: Might be true but she takes advantage... It's as if you're being persecuted and she turns to you and says, "I'll give you shelter but this is my price... If you don't pay it, you know you'll die..." Makes her a parasite and a collaborator with your persecutors... Once the war is over would we give such a person a medal because they've saved lives? No, we'd drive them out of town, hopefully...



Which also dovetails with the concealed intention: sure, parasites want the host to live but only so they can carry on feeding off it, they might even help the host survive every now and then, but it's only because their self-interest currently coincides with that of the host, they certainly won't tell the host "I'm only helping you now because I want something from you later"... Once their self-interest moves somewhere else, it's "bye byes..." as happens when she is refused on the OGB.



How she should be handled? Turn the situation against her and take advantage using immorality to address immorality, "So you want my baby? Beg me for it..."



This may be controversial but nope, don't like Morrie overmuch....

I will admit that Morrigan does not show MUCH compassion but she certainly shows some. Her philosophy is really social darwinism which she learned from her mother and living in the Wilds all those years. She seems to be under the impression that everyone CAN help themselves but choose not to for whatever reason and deserve what happens to them because of it (the mages who 'chose' to let the templars control them comes to mind). Just the same, if she feels that someone is powerful but has been brought down by circumstances beyond their control (such as Sten and even freaking JOWAN) then she'll show compassion and advocate their release.



I disagree with your persecution analogy. Morrigan cannot save your life without getting the OGB. She's not saying 'Yes, if I cast this spell then you won't die but I won't do it unless you do this ritual.' It's 'Yes, I do this ritual then you won't die.' Morrigan preserving your life and that of Alistiar/Loghain and getting a baby out of it (it doesn't matter if that's her only reason for doing it or not because one cannot be accomplished without the other and however much she might want to see you die if she hates you, that can't happen if she wants the OGB) is not a parasitic act because guess what? You're getting quite a lot out of it. You're getting life and most of the people in this thread are getting their love's life as well.



When has Morrigan 'fed off of you' outside of the OGB situation? She asks you to kill her mother and if she learns that she don't she does leave but that's because she's attempting to protect herself and she knows that the only person she knows who she thinks could take her mother out of the picture temporarily won't do it. A parasite benefits at the expense of its host and the OGB, while it may prove disastrous in the future, isn't something that does you any harm now. In fact, it's great for you now because you don't die. And it's your choice. Sure, it would be nice if she stayed through the Blight but I don't see how her leaving then is any different then if she'd left two minutes after leaving the Wilds. She's not there for the end but she's there for everything else.



And why ever should she beg you to save your life? It's not like you're not getting anything out of the deal and if you really want to throw your own life away or the life of Alistair/Loghain then that's your business. She's not asking you for a favor. She's offering you life in exchange for the OGB. One cannot occur without the other and they're something that you both want. She shouldn't need to beg you to do it anymore than you should beg her to let you do the ritual.

After you hand Morrigan Flemeth's real grimoire, at some point the conversation goes like this:



Warden: So why would she risk sending you with me?

Morrigan: I do not know. Perhaps 'tis as she said: the darkspawn threaten her as much as they threaten anyone else. Or perhaps she believes that this journey will make me more powerful.



That, right there, is a lie. Not a "lie by omission", an actual LIE, right after my Warden has gone out of her way to to kill a crazy powerful dragon-witch, even though the woman has never done anything to her personally, and actually saved her ass in Ostagar. There's no real evidence of Flemeth's intentions, and my Warden's only reason for agreeing to do it is that Morrigan is a friend. She trusts Morrigan, and Morrigan repays that trust with a lie.

I actually don't think that that was a lie. Morrigan knew that she'd need to sleep with a GW prior to the defeat of the Archdemon to have an OGB but she seemed surprised to hear she'd be going with you post-Ostagar. Since Morrigan's acting skills never impressed me, I'm inclined to believe that this is genuine. How does that work since she knows about the OGB? She expected to do what she does if you make her leave at some point and just show up at the last second offering you a way out. She believes that this is a great deal for the Warden - regardless of whether it actually is - and that they'd jump at the chance to live and keep their glory even if they weren't friends/lovers with her. That still doesn't explain why Flemeth would risk getting Morrigan killed a year before the ritual was to take place instead of making sure she stayed alive in the Korcari Wilds where she had the means to protect her.

[mellifera]

Well, you may not like her, you may not like her attitude and actions, but you're still the one actively taking her up on her offer for purely selfish and self involved reasons. You're not really being any more noble or selfless than her. You see a way you and your boyfriend/fiancee don't have to die, you take it. Nobody's decision but your own. I just don't think the indignation is appropriate when you're the one who, despite hating her and thinking she's a so-and-so, you take her offer.

[tuppence95]

cmessaz wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
 I think that for the most part we can all agree that Jowan is an ****. Right?

NOOO! I Jowan!

:crying:

Even then you can't deny that he was being a stupid sh!thead....


Lol yuki- why can you type ass???
WTF, so now it lets me

I like kinda like Jowan.  I agree he is perhaps the most idiotic character in the game.  My circle mage realizes that he's mentally handicapped.  He tries so hard to do the right thing, but he has absolutely no sense, so everything he does comes out wrong.  I like that with his "Jowan's Intentions" ending, he does actually find a way to help people without screwing it up.



HNF discussion - I love the Cousland family and story.  It's my favorite origin to play.  I do think, though, that the two dwarf origins are the most interesting, the Dalish story makes me feel the lore the most, I'd like the city elf story a lot more except that I really don't like the voice actors who play Vaughn's friends.  Every time they laugh, it makes me cringe.  And I don't care for the mage origin, even though I probably like mages best.



No one answered my earlier question about Morrigan as a LI.  When she gives the HNM the ring, does saying "I love you" put the relationship completely on hold until the DR?  Or does Morrigan falling in love put things on hold?  I'd play through it again, if I thought it could turn out different.  But this went on for most of the game.  I wondered if my game wasn't buggy since she had nothing to say to my character that whole time.  It left me wondering why so many people liked her as a LI.  I know Zev will shut down romantically for awhile when he  falls in love, but it's a pretty short time compared to what I experienced with Morrigan.


And back on topic ... I saw the good news (hopefully) from SV!  He said he did a "bunch of stuff."  I'm really hoping that means he did more than just drunk Alistair!

Modifié par tuppence95, 27 septembre 2010 - 02:02 .

[rak72]

Edit:  ^^^^^^^ nicde pic^^^^^^
We need a Princess Cous Cous gush thread.

Modifié par rak72, 27 septembre 2010 - 02:13 .

[Giggles_Manically]

rak72 wrote...

We need a Princess Cous Cous gush thread.

No.

[mellifera]

Join TotoroTori's group.

(was gonna make a smart comment but it might be considered too ~judgemental~ or something)

Modifié par yukidama, 27 septembre 2010 - 02:15 .

[Sarah1281]

No one answered my earlier question about Morrigan as a LI. When she gives the HNM the ring, does saying "I love you" put the relationship completely on hold until the DR? Or does Morrigan falling in love put things on hold?

DId you get the part where she begs you to break up with her?

[Sandtigress]

Let's not forget that Morrigan never expected Alistair to be the only appropriate Grey Warden in all of Ferelden. That was NOT her plan. She expected the Orlesians to join up with you, or at the very least that the two of you would be intelligent enough to realize that defeating the archdemon with an army of two is suicidal and that you would go and leave Ferelden and join the Orlesians yourself.

Had it been otherwise, she most likely would have spent her time trying to seduce Alistair despite how much she despised him, and things would have played out much differently. (I'm trying to keep it on topic here! :-P)

Also, she flat out tells you that she didn't tell you earlier because she didn't think she would be believed. And why would she? A non-Grey Warden comes up to you and says "Hey, you're gonna die if you kill the archdemon so make your boyfriend have sex with me so you'll both live?" I imagine most of us would show her the door right then and there, and then be quite chagrined when Riordan revealed that she had been telling the truth.

Morrigan takes the path that she's forced to take in order to get what she wants, but she does make a lot of effort to do something good for you as well. I believe her completely when she says that you were her friend, that she cares about you and that she does not intend to (directly) harm you or Ferelden or Alistair with the child that gets produced.

Does it hurt my Wardens to go through with it anyways? Yeah, most of them, but it's more the tragedy of the situation and that they're "forced" to take such a route in order to survive. Especially my canon Warden who is still in love with Alistair even though they broke their relationship off - the DR is the first sign of other women having to be where she can't be anymore. Some of them show her the door. Others are pretty much "Heck yeah, this is great". But me personally? I don't get the outright rancor Morrigan is getting. It depends on her relationship with the Warden, and ultimately as has been said many times, it's up to the Warden (and Alistair) to decide what to do, and no one forces them to make that choice.



In other news...having a bugged romance flag so that Alistair shoots your supposedly still in love Warden down for the Ritual? That hurts. :-P

[tuppence95]

Sarah1281 wrote...

No one answered my earlier question about Morrigan as a LI. When she gives the HNM the ring, does saying "I love you" put the relationship completely on hold until the DR? Or does Morrigan falling in love put things on hold?

DId you get the part where she begs you to break up with her?

Not that I recall.  She pretty much stopped talking to him and if he'd suggest tent time, she'd snap at him.  That was pretty much it for most of the game until he finally arranged a political marriage with Anora.  Then Morrigan wanted to talk about their relationship.  They decided not to tell Anora, and after that, she went right back to having nothing to say to him.

an edit to avoid being completely off-topic.

Modifié par tuppence95, 27 septembre 2010 - 02:27 .

[Giggles_Manically]

tuppence95 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

No one answered my earlier question about Morrigan as a LI. When she gives the HNM the ring, does saying "I love you" put the relationship completely on hold until the DR? Or does Morrigan falling in love put things on hold?

DId you get the part where she begs you to break up with her?

Not that I recall.  She pretty much stopped talking to him and if he'd suggest tent time, she'd snap at him.  That was pretty much it for most of the game until he finally arranged a political marriage with Anora.  Then Morrigan wanted to talk about their relationship.  They decided not to tell Anora, and after that, she went right back to having nothing to say to him.

That happens, once she gets to a certain point she wont sleep with the Warden anymore because it confuses her.
Or makes her worry that she wont be able to pull of the DR anymore. 

[Sarah1281]

tuppence95 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

No one answered my earlier question about Morrigan as a LI. When she gives the HNM the ring, does saying "I love you" put the relationship completely on hold until the DR? Or does Morrigan falling in love put things on hold?

DId you get the part where she begs you to break up with her?

Not that I recall.  She pretty much stopped talking to him and if he'd suggest tent time, she'd snap at him.  That was pretty much it for most of the game until he finally arranged a political marriage with Anora.  Then Morrigan wanted to talk about their relationship.  They decided not to tell Anora, and after that, she went right back to having nothing to say to him.

Did you get the dialogue where you ask her why she won't sleep with you? I think it's under 'personal discussions.'

[tuppence95]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

No one answered my earlier question about Morrigan as a LI. When she gives the HNM the ring, does saying "I love you" put the relationship completely on hold until the DR? Or does Morrigan falling in love put things on hold?

DId you get the part where she begs you to break up with her?

Not that I recall.  She pretty much stopped talking to him and if he'd suggest tent time, she'd snap at him.  That was pretty much it for most of the game until he finally arranged a political marriage with Anora.  Then Morrigan wanted to talk about their relationship.  They decided not to tell Anora, and after that, she went right back to having nothing to say to him.

That happens, once she gets to a certain point she wont sleep with the Warden anymore because it confuses her.
Or makes her worry that she wont be able to pull of the DR anymore. 

Wow, that's a long time to go without any interaction.  My HNM did Redcliffe, Circle Tower, killed Flemeth, got the ring from Morrigan and then she wouldn't involve herself with him until the end of the game.

Thanks!  I guess I won't replay my HNM.  As a player, I'm not attracted to her, so the whole thing ended up feeling pretty cold to me.

[tuppence95]

Sarah1281 wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

No one answered my earlier question about Morrigan as a LI. When she gives the HNM the ring, does saying "I love you" put the relationship completely on hold until the DR? Or does Morrigan falling in love put things on hold?

DId you get the part where she begs you to break up with her?

Not that I recall.  She pretty much stopped talking to him and if he'd suggest tent time, she'd snap at him.  That was pretty much it for most of the game until he finally arranged a political marriage with Anora.  Then Morrigan wanted to talk about their relationship.  They decided not to tell Anora, and after that, she went right back to having nothing to say to him.

Did you get the dialogue where you ask her why she won't sleep with you? I think it's under 'personal discussions.'

No, I didn't get that.  It was like the romance flag got completely turned off, and didn't turn back on again until briefly after LM and then again at the end with the DR and the goodbye.  I should try to brave the toolset and see if I can figure out how to look at her dialog.

Thanks for the info, Sarah & Giggles!

[rak72]

When you are strategizing at Flemeths in the beginning of the game, the whole deal is that you can't get to the other GWs in time, so it IS up to the two of you and your treaty allies. There is a banter b/w Mo & Al early on when he is becoming interested in the PC & Mori asks him what he would do if he had to choose between ending the blight or saving the warden he loved. So this is where she figures out her best way to get to Ali is through his woman, thus no need to seduce him herself.

[Sandtigress]

rak72 wrote...

When you are strategizing at Flemeths in the beginning of the game, the whole deal is that you can't get to the other GWs in time, so it IS up to the two of you and your treaty allies. There is a banter b/w Mo & Al early on when he is becoming interested in the PC & Mori asks him what he would do if he had to choose between ending the blight or saving the warden he loved. So this is where she figures out her best way to get to Ali is through his woman, thus no need to seduce him herself.

In time to save Ferelden.  Morrigan is raised on "the strongest survive" and "be the strongest".  She does not expect you to undertake a suicidal mission to defeat the archdemon yourselves - this is confirmed by devs.  She always thought that other Grey Wardens would enter the picture, and that she could have her pick of them.  After all, Morrigan is beautiful - she could easily have seduced almost anyone but Alistair, who is probably unusual amongst the Grey Wardens for holding so strongly to his principles.

[danitza81]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I actually don't think that that was a lie. Morrigan knew that she'd need to sleep with a GW prior to the defeat of the Archdemon to have an OGB but she seemed surprised to hear she'd be going with you post-Ostagar. Since Morrigan's acting skills never impressed me, I'm inclined to believe that this is genuine. How does that work since she knows about the OGB? She expected to do what she does if you make her leave at some point and just show up at the last second offering you a way out. She believes that this is a great deal for the Warden - regardless of whether it actually is - and that they'd jump at the chance to live and keep their glory even if they weren't friends/lovers with her. That still doesn't explain why Flemeth would risk getting Morrigan killed a year before the ritual was to take place instead of making sure she stayed alive in the Korcari Wilds where she had the means to protect her.

You have a point, but Morrigan does say it very clearly before the final battle: "This was what my mother intended when she sent me with you". That line, in my interpretation, shows that even if she was genuinely surprised to be sent away after Ostagar, she knew it was because of the DR.

But anyway. My problem with Morrigan is not because of the DR per se, but for not mentioning it earlier. Even if it wouldn't have changed much, IMO that's what a real friend would have done.

I'm done whining about how my video game character friend hurt my feelings now  Let's get back to Alistair. <3

Modifié par danitza81, 27 septembre 2010 - 02:51 .

[Maria13]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

Actually, I think I do hate her because she shows no compassion, in her eyes only the fittest deserve to survive... All the rest are there to be used. That's a horribly inmoral philosophy IMO. And yet when it's turned on her, when at the forge you say "OK, I'll make you into a golem first then..." she immediately changes her tune. Hypocrite.

On the argument that she offers you an out, that she is not responsible for the situation you find yourself in: Might be true but she takes advantage... It's as if you're being persecuted and she turns to you and says, "I'll give you shelter but this is my price... If you don't pay it, you know you'll die..." Makes her a parasite and a collaborator with your persecutors... Once the war is over would we give such a person a medal because they've saved lives? No, we'd drive them out of town, hopefully...

Which also dovetails with the concealed intention: sure, parasites want the host to live but only so they can carry on feeding off it, they might even help the host survive every now and then, but it's only because their self-interest currently coincides with that of the host, they certainly won't tell the host "I'm only helping you now because I want something from you later"... Once their self-interest moves somewhere else, it's "bye byes..." as happens when she is refused on the OGB.

How she should be handled? Turn the situation against her and take advantage using immorality to address immorality, "So you want my baby? Beg me for it..."

This may be controversial but nope, don't like Morrie overmuch....

I will admit that Morrigan does not show MUCH compassion but she certainly shows some. Her philosophy is really social darwinism which she learned from her mother and living in the Wilds all those years. She seems to be under the impression that everyone CAN help themselves but choose not to for whatever reason and deserve what happens to them because of it (the mages who 'chose' to let the templars control them comes to mind). Just the same, if she feels that someone is powerful but has been brought down by circumstances beyond their control (such as Sten and even freaking JOWAN) then she'll show compassion and advocate their release.

I disagree with your persecution analogy. Morrigan cannot save your life without getting the OGB. She's not saying 'Yes, if I cast this spell then you won't die but I won't do it unless you do this ritual.' It's 'Yes, I do this ritual then you won't die.' Morrigan preserving your life and that of Alistiar/Loghain and getting a baby out of it (it doesn't matter if that's her only reason for doing it or not because one cannot be accomplished without the other and however much she might want to see you die if she hates you, that can't happen if she wants the OGB) is not a parasitic act because guess what? You're getting quite a lot out of it. You're getting life and most of the people in this thread are getting their love's life as well.

When has Morrigan 'fed off of you' outside of the OGB situation? She asks you to kill her mother and if she learns that she don't she does leave but that's because she's attempting to protect herself and she knows that the only person she knows who she thinks could take her mother out of the picture temporarily won't do it. A parasite benefits at the expense of its host and the OGB, while it may prove disastrous in the future, isn't something that does you any harm now. In fact, it's great for you now because you don't die. And it's your choice. Sure, it would be nice if she stayed through the Blight but I don't see how her leaving then is any different then if she'd left two minutes after leaving the Wilds. She's not there for the end but she's there for everything else.

And why ever should she beg you to save your life? It's not like you're not getting anything out of the deal and if you really want to throw your own life away or the life of Alistair/Loghain then that's your business. She's not asking you for a favor. She's offering you life in exchange for the OGB. One cannot occur without the other and they're something that you both want. She shouldn't need to beg you to do it anymore than you should beg her to let you do the ritual.

Morrie does not really show any compassion at all.  She sees Sten and Jowan as top of the evolutionary tree predators and she wants to restore them to that position. As I said when in Cariden's forge you propose she be the first victim she does an immediate about turn...

Who says she can't save your life without the OGB? Morrigan doesn't exactly share does she? Fact is, she has knowledge essential to your future and she uses it for her own ends. I think my analogy that she's an opportunistic collaborator and throughly inmoral stands...

So getting you to do the dirty with Flementh and still not telling you about the fact that you will die when taking down the Archdemon is justified because she's protecting herself... Oh, what about we're all in this together? If you knew she would use you thusly would you take her with you?  Again, how do we even know she's protecting herself? Perhaps she's just using you to knock off a rival...

So using you sexually to conceive a child is OK? I don't agree.

Why wouldn't she if she wants the OGB so badly? It's simply retribution in kind, she's taking full advantage of your  predicament to use and humiliate you... Do the same back...

Modifié par Maria13, 27 septembre 2010 - 02:54 .

[rak72]

Sandtigress wrote...

rak72 wrote...

When you are strategizing at Flemeths in the beginning of the game, the whole deal is that you can't get to the other GWs in time, so it IS up to the two of you and your treaty allies. There is a banter b/w Mo & Al early on when he is becoming interested in the PC & Mori asks him what he would do if he had to choose between ending the blight or saving the warden he loved. So this is where she figures out her best way to get to Ali is through his woman, thus no need to seduce him herself.

In time to save Ferelden.  Morrigan is raised on "the strongest survive" and "be the strongest".  She does not expect you to undertake a suicidal mission to defeat the archdemon yourselves - this is confirmed by devs.  She always thought that other Grey Wardens would enter the picture, and that she could have her pick of them.  After all, Morrigan is beautiful - she could easily have seduced almost anyone but Alistair, who is probably unusual amongst the Grey Wardens for holding so strongly to his principles.

But to save Ferelden, you need to get rid of the AD, so its the same thing.  But regardless, She needs a new GW - therefore the veterans from Orlais wouldn't have been any good.  If she had said something sooner, we could have conscripted the Templar by Lake Calenhad who was hitting on her, and have him do the ritual (and he would have been very happy to do so).  The Developers can go back and say what a great gal she is after the game is over and done, and try to make you feel like a jerk for not liking her, but like I said before - that compassion does not show in the game - at least not the way I played it. 

[Yankee23]

I can't speak for anyone else, but in the case of my hnf, it's not the dr that upsets her. Yes, it is a way to save their lives and they take it - always. It's the fact that Morrigan does not share her knowledge until that last possible second. If you have a friend who knew something that important and kept it from you it's not unreasonanble for there to be some hurt and doubt as to whether your friend trusted you as much as you thought or if she really returns the same level of friendship. By the end of the game after talking to Morrigan they do remain friends. There are alot a of reasons based on Morrigan's upbringing that may explain why she didn't say anything earlier but the warden doesn't always have to be the bigger person and forgive immediately.



My mage on the other hand does not get along with Morrigan, suspected there was another reason why Flemeth sent her along and is not surprised or particularly angry at Morrigan for it.



Derp Day!