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[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Heh, when I use that line it is more appeasing Morrigan so she doesn't disapprove even more. Metagaming wat wat.

And so you are saying that Morrigan's approval is more important than you being respectful to Alistair?

BTW, I HATE the fact we can't tell Alistair to stfu when he refers to Morrigan as a b*tch. Not only do I consider this to be the lowest form of vulgarity, but I find it insolent he didn't at least have the courtesy to apologise when I tell him that I like her. 

Since I've never romanced Morrigan, I usually just ignore him when he says that, but if I was romancing her I would be seriously pissed off. Seriously, calling my lover a b!tch? Telling him to STFU is the least I would want to do to him.

I admit, when something Alistair says pisses me off (a banter or something), I usually have Morrigan cast cone of cold on him. Silly, but funny.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 octobre 2010 - 05:18 .

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Heh, when I use that line it is more appeasing Morrigan so she doesn't disapprove even more. Metagaming wat wat.

And so you are saying that Morrigan's approval is more important than you being respectful to Alistair?

BTW, I HATE the fact we can't tell Alistair to stfu when he refers to Morrigan as a b*tch. Not only do I consider this to be the lowest form of vulgarity, but I find it insolent he didn't at least have the courtesy to apologise when I tell him that I like her. 

Eh, she kind of is a b*tch to him.  I don't think she'd be offended at all by that comment, and it would probably find it amusing that she got under his skin that much.  To me, b*tch is a minor insult.  Some that I consider much worse spring to mind.

That being said, I can see how you might not appreciate Alistair calling your gf a b*tch  Some acknowledgement of that might have been nice.

PC: "I like her."
AL: "Right.  Awkward...."

Edit:  Also, you loving someone does not mean that they can't be an @sshole to your friends.  Case in point, my friend's ex-husband.  While they were still married, I refused to cater to his absolute bullsh!t, and as such, he was a complete d!ck to me.  Therefore, I often had conversations with my friends that went:

"Your husband is an ass."
"Yeah, I know."

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 01 octobre 2010 - 05:23 .

[Lady Jess]

Zjarcal wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Heh, when I use that line it is more appeasing Morrigan so she doesn't disapprove even more. Metagaming wat wat.

And so you are saying that Morrigan's approval is more important than you being respectful to Alistair?

BTW, I HATE the fact we can't tell Alistair to stfu when he refers to Morrigan as a b*tch. Not only do I consider this to be the lowest form of vulgarity, but I find it insolent he didn't at least have the courtesy to apologise when I tell him that I like her. 

Since I've never romanced Morrigan, I usually just ignore him when he says that, but if I was romancing her I would be seriously pissed off. Seriously, calling my lover a b!tch? Telling him to STFU is the least I would want to do to him.

I admit, when something Alistair says pisses me off (a banter or something), I usually have Morrigan cast cone of cold on him. Silly, but funny.

Alistair: BLOOD MAGIC is EVIL!!! blah blaj Isolde EVIL BLOOD MAGIC
Jaina:  OH...I'm sorry. Here, I'll use my primal magic...
Alistair: Heyyyy

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
To me, b*tch is a minor insult.

For me, it's major (very much so in fact), and I hate using or hearing it.

LadyDamodred wrote...
That being said, I can see how you might not appreciate Alistair calling your gf a b*tch  Some acknowledgement of that might have been nice.

PC: "I like her."
AL: "Right.  Awkward...."

And at least my PC being able to shut him up.
And  he should apologise, if he had any courtesy. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 octobre 2010 - 05:22 .

[CalJones]

Doesn't it stand for "Babe In Total Control of Herself"?

I do think it's a bit strong from him but they are at each other constantly. But yes, my characters who romance her aren't too pleased with this.

[Zjarcal]

Lady Jess wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Heh, when I use that line it is more appeasing Morrigan so she doesn't disapprove even more. Metagaming wat wat.

And so you are saying that Morrigan's approval is more important than you being respectful to Alistair?

BTW, I HATE the fact we can't tell Alistair to stfu when he refers to Morrigan as a b*tch. Not only do I consider this to be the lowest form of vulgarity, but I find it insolent he didn't at least have the courtesy to apologise when I tell him that I like her. 

Since I've never romanced Morrigan, I usually just ignore him when he says that, but if I was romancing her I would be seriously pissed off. Seriously, calling my lover a b!tch? Telling him to STFU is the least I would want to do to him.

I admit, when something Alistair says pisses me off (a banter or something), I usually have Morrigan cast cone of cold on him. Silly, but funny.

Alistair: BLOOD MAGIC is EVIL!!! blah blaj Isolde EVIL BLOOD MAGIC
Jaina:  OH...I'm sorry. Here, I'll use my primal magic...
Alistair: Heyyyy

*snip*

Love it!

[Viva la France]

I can see where Alistair came from when he calls Morrigan a **** even though it was uncalled for. I mean she does call him a fool behind his back too. So shes not innocent.

[Lady Jess]

Viva la France wrote...

I can see where Alistair came from when he calls Morrigan a **** even though it was uncalled for. I mean she does call him a fool behind his back too. So shes not innocent.

"FOOL" isn't even CLOSE to "Complete and utter b*tch". They aren't even in the same zip code.  I agree with KoP here, if you're in a romance with her he should back off and apologize, even if he doesn't respect HER (and I don't think anyone is asking that he does) he should respect his FRIEND enough to just not say it, or apologize.

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
To me, b*tch is a minor insult.

For me, it's major (very much so in fact), and I hate using or hearing it.

I'm like that with the word c*nt.  I cannot stand it, so you know I am beyond enraged when I use it.  B!tch is very nearly a term of endearment in my circle of friends.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
That being said, I can see how you might not appreciate Alistair calling your gf a b*tch  Some acknowledgement of that might have been nice.
PC: "I like her."
AL: "Right.  Awkward...."

And at least my PC being able to shut him up.
And  he should apologise, if he had any courtesy.

I made an edit to my above post.  When it was me with my friend's husband, I never felt any need to apologize for calling him what he was.  *shrugs*  Probably not my finest moments, but I won't apologize for something I mean and am not sorry for.  Maybe a "Hey, didn't mean to offend you." could have worked there.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
I'm like that with the word c*nt.  I cannot stand it, so you know I am beyond enraged when I use it.  B!tch is very nearly a term of endearment in my circle of friends.

Well it isn't for me.
I can understand him thinking that I appreciate him being vulgar. But I would have liked the option to make it clear to him that I never want to hear him say that to my face again.

I made an edit to my above post.  When it was me with my friend's husband, I never felt any need to apologize for calling him what he was.  *shrugs*  Probably not my finest moments, but I won't apologize for something I mean and am not sorry for.  Maybe a "Hey, didn't mean to offend you." could have worked there.

He is not my close friend for him to feel entitled insulting someone I like and not apologise for it. And even if he was, I would shut him up regardless and demand an apology.
But I can't do that in the game.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 octobre 2010 - 05:32 .

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


He is not my close friend for him to feel entitled insulting someone I like and not apologise for it. And even if he was, I would shut him up regardless and demand an apology.
But I can't do that in the game.

That's the issue, that the PC can't express their anger. Whether Alistair apologizes or not would be up to him, but the PC should be able to express their anger at the comment.

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
I'm like that with the word c*nt.  I cannot stand it, so you know I am beyond enraged when I use it.  B!tch is very nearly a term of endearment in my circle of friends.

Well it isn't for me.
I can understand him thinking that I appreciate him being vulgar. But I would have liked the option to make it clear to him that I never want to hear him say that to my face again.

I made an edit to my above post.  When it was me with my friend's husband, I never felt any need to apologize for calling him what he was.  *shrugs*  Probably not my finest moments, but I won't apologize for something I mean and am not sorry for.  Maybe a "Hey, didn't mean to offend you." could have worked there.

He is not my close friend for him to feel entitled insulting someone I like and not apologise for it. And even if he was, I would shut him up regardless and demand an apology.
But I can't do that in the game.

Fair enough.  I'm merely pointing out that to expect an actual apology from him, especially if you're not friends, is probably not very realistic.  There probably should be an option to end the conversation.  Actually, that option should probably exist in a lot of conversations now that I think about it.  *looks at Leliana and Wynne*

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...
Fair enough.  I'm merely pointing out that to expect an actual apology from him, especially if you're not friends, is probably not very realistic.  There probably should be an option to end the conversation.  Actually, that option should probably exist in a lot of conversations now that I think about it.  *looks at Leliana and Wynne*

Expecting common courtesy is not realistic?

There should have been an option daring him to say that again.

[mellifera]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

yukidama wrote...
Heh, when I use that line it is more appeasing Morrigan so she doesn't disapprove even more. Metagaming wat wat.

And so you are saying that Morrigan's approval is more important than you being respectful to Alistair?

BTW, I HATE the fact we can't tell Alistair to stfu when he refers to Morrigan as a b*tch. Not only do I consider this to be the lowest form of vulgarity, but I find it insolent he didn't at least have the courtesy to apologise when I tell him that I like her. 

No, because it isn't said in a cruel way. It's a loving joke made to a person who really thinks he is one and calls him as such often...

[Sarah1281]

Fair enough. I'm merely pointing out that to expect an actual apology from him, especially if you're not friends, is probably not very realistic. There probably should be an option to end the conversation. Actually, that option should probably exist in a lot of conversations now that I think about it. *looks at Leliana and Wynne*

If you're not friends it's kind of worse.

It's like:

Alistair: Hey, let's gossip about our companions!

Warden: *sigh* Fine. Gossip away.

Alistair: So what do you think about Morrigan? Why is she with us? I don't trust her!

Warden: You don't like her, huh?

Alistair: Of course not! She's a ****!

Warden: You do realize I'm dating her, right?

Alistair: It's your funeral.



He brings it up to you and has already heard that you're involved with her and yet he STILL calls her that. How in the world can he think that that's a good idea or that it will end in you realizing that she is, in fact, just as bad as he thinks she is, dump her, and it will be a bonding experience for the two of you?

[Viva la France]

Well the warden can call Morrigan a **** but usually I try to be a friend to both Morri and Alistair

[KnightofPhoenix]

yukidama wrote...
No, because it isn't said in a cruel way. It's a loving joke made to a person who really thinks he is one and calls him as such often...

It's said in a vulgar insulting way, definately not a "loving joke".
And Morrigan refers to him as a fool. Big difference between a fool and a b*tch.

[Viva la France]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Fair enough. I'm merely pointing out that to expect an actual apology from him, especially if you're not friends, is probably not very realistic. There probably should be an option to end the conversation. Actually, that option should probably exist in a lot of conversations now that I think about it. *looks at Leliana and Wynne*

If you're not friends it's kind of worse.
It's like:
Alistair: Hey, let's gossip about our companions!
Warden: *sigh* Fine. Gossip away.
Alistair: So what do you think about Morrigan? Why is she with us? I don't trust her!
Warden: You don't like her, huh?
Alistair: Of course not! She's a ****!
Warden: You do realize I'm dating her, right?
Alistair: It's your funeral.

He brings it up to you and has already heard that you're involved with her and yet he STILL calls her that. How in the world can he think that that's a good idea or that it will end in you realizing that she is, in fact, just as bad as he thinks she is, dump her, and it will be a bonding experience for the two of you?

Alistair does try to gossip about morrigan, Leliana will end it and wynne tells him its childish

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

yukidama wrote...
No, because it isn't said in a cruel way. It's a loving joke made to a person who really thinks he is one and calls him as such often...

It's said in a vulgar insulting way, definately not a "loving joke".
And Morrigan refers to him as a fool. Big difference between a fool and a b*tch.

I think she was talking about the Warden referring to Alistair as her idiot is a loving joke.

[Lady Jess]

LadyDamodred wrote...
Fair enough.  I'm merely pointing out that to expect an actual apology from him, especially if you're not friends, is probably not very realistic.  There probably should be an option to end the conversation.  Actually, that option should probably exist in a lot of conversations now that I think about it.  *looks at Leliana and Wynne*

I managed to shut Wynne up...


I should not be allowed to play mages...Leliana too...


I have a friend, I dearly love. Her husband is arrogant, stuck up, obnoxious...gah cannot stand him. But she loves him, they have a great relationship, and I love her so I say nothing.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

yukidama wrote...
No, because it isn't said in a cruel way. It's a loving joke made to a person who really thinks he is one and calls him as such often...

It's said in a vulgar insulting way, definately not a "loving joke".
And Morrigan refers to him as a fool. Big difference between a fool and a b*tch.

I think she was talking about the Warden referring to Alistair as her idiot is a loving joke.

Oh right. That makes more sense.

Sorry Yuki!

[mellifera]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

yukidama wrote...
No, because it isn't said in a cruel way. It's a loving joke made to a person who really thinks he is one and calls him as such often...

It's said in a vulgar insulting way, definately not a "loving joke".
And Morrigan refers to him as a fool. Big difference between a fool and a b*tch.

I wasn't talking about the b!tch part. I'm not gonna touch that subject.

Hah, ninja'd It's no prob. Yeah, I would never imply there is anything kindness going on between Alistair and Morrigan...

Modifié par yukidama, 01 octobre 2010 - 05:49 .

[LadyDamodred]

If you're not friends, he probably doesn't care about your feelings too much. *shrugs* I know I'm usually more upset if I accidently offend one of my friends than someone I don't like very much. Different ways of looking at it, I suppose. If you were friends, then a "Sorry, I just don't want to see you get hurt" would fit, but...meh.

As for common courtesy.... What do you want him to apologize for? For him calling her a b!tch in the first place or for the fact that he said it to your face? He and Morrigan hate each other. If he did apologize, would you honestly think he meant it? Wouldn't apologizing for calling her a b!tch just be a lie you would totally see through? Or does the PC just want the lip service, as false as it is?

Edit:  And Morrigan does more than just call him a fool.  She insults him constantly, mocks his grief, needles him at every turn....  Granted, he gives it right back to her, but when Morrigan insults him to the faces of my PCs who romance him, they shrug it off because they know he and Morrigan loathe each other.

I'm not trying to be exceptionally argumentative here, btw.  I just really don't see it as that bad.  Lord knows I would call her the same damn thing if she did to me what she does to Alistair.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 01 octobre 2010 - 05:51 .

[mellifera]

LadyDamodred wrote...

If you're not friends, he probably doesn't care about your feelings too much. *shrugs* I know I'm usually more upset if I accidently offend one of my friends than someone I don't like very much. Different ways of looking at it, I suppose. If you were friends, then a "Sorry, I just don't want to see you get hurt" would fit, but...meh.

As for common courtesy.... What do you want him to apologize for? For him calling her a b!tch in the first place or for the fact that he said it to your face? He and Morrigan hate each other. If he did apologize, would you honestly think he meant it? Wouldn't apologizing for calling her a b!tch just be a lie you would totally see through? Or does the PC just want the lip service, as false as it is?

Gotta agree with this, even though I said I wouldn't comment. I don't really like guys using that word, heh, but I wouldn't apologize for it if we weren't friends. I just wouldn't give a damn, I'm not going to lie to make a person I'm not friends with (and probably don't like too much either at this point) feel better...

Modifié par yukidama, 01 octobre 2010 - 05:52 .

[Zjarcal]

LadyDamodred wrote...

As for common courtesy.... What do you want him to apologize for? For him calling her a b!tch in the first place or for the fact that he said it to your face? He and Morrigan hate each other. If he did apologize, would you honestly think he meant it? Wouldn't apologizing for calling her a b!tch just be a lie you would totally see through? Or does the PC just want the lip service, as false as it is?

I don't think the apology has to mean that he doesn't think she's a b!tch, just him saying "sorry I called her a b!tch right in your face". Everyone knows they hate each other, it's the act of calling her a b!tch right in her lovers face that's a lack of common courtesy, especially considering Alistair was the one who brought the subject in the first place.

Also, if the PC and Alistair aren't friends they wouldn't even be having this conversation as it only triggers when "Friendly".

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 octobre 2010 - 05:56 .