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[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Briiel wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Briiel wrote...

It probably has to do with him being a Knight in shining armor. The whole fairytale scenario. Princess ,damsel in distress and the Happy Ever After Knight who rescues you(so to speak)

@Tuppence: are those blades really awesome to use?? I have been eyeing them and the Weapons of Andraste.
I also would like better rings and necklaces.

Alistair rescues you? When does this happen? If anything, you're in a position to decide  his fate.

I'm talking about how the scenario seems. It's like the fairy tales you read about when your a little girl. Handsome Prince rescues damsel blah blah . Not that he actually rescues you but it's how his character is potrayed
 

Maybe that's why I'm not particularly enthusiastic about it...

Well we can't all be as cynical and jaded as you:P

Some of us still believe in the fairy tell, and live it<3

edit ToP:

Modifié par Lady Jess, 12 octobre 2010 - 06:10 .

[Briiel]

@Lady J: I love that pic !

[tuppence95]

I don't consider myself very jaded at all, but it's been a looong time since I found it dreamy or fairy tale-ish to be a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued.

For me personally, that's not an appealing rp option.   Growing up in a family where girls were taught that they were supposed to grow up and let the men take care of them ... that scenario brings back all the teenage rebelliousness.  

[errant_knight]

Briiel wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well it could be rped that Alistair rescued you. If a Cousland, he can be seen as making your life easier after the tragedy (granted, him crying about Duncan with almost no concern for you can be irritating). And at the end, when he doesn't let you die and he sacrifices his life. Also at fort drakon?
It can be rped as them mutually rescuing each other.

Like an equal pairing. Kind of the "I got your back" scenario<3:D

Yes, I see it like this. I always play them as partners, whether friends of romantically involved.

[Yankee23]

I believe in the fairy tale too. It doesn't mean that the female has to be a damsel in distress. It's nice to have someone that can, will and wants to take care of you even though you can do it yourself.

ETA: I do think it goes both ways...partners.

Modifié par Yankee23, 12 octobre 2010 - 06:31 .

[errant_knight]

Yankee23 wrote...

I believe in the fairy tale too. It doesn't mean that the female has to be a damsel in distress. It's nice to have someone that can, will and wants to take care of you even though you can do it yourself.

ETA: I do think it goes both ways...partners.

Yep, they're both there to be the hero when the other needs it.

[Lady Jess]

tuppence95 wrote...

I don't consider myself very jaded at all, but it's been a looong time since I found it dreamy or fairy tale-ish to be a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued.

For me personally, that's not an appealing rp option.   Growing up in a family where girls were taught that they were supposed to grow up and let the men take care of them ... that scenario brings back all the teenage rebelliousness.  

I was raised by a kickass independant cuz she HAD to be single mom with no such teachings. I am now a married mom of two fiercely independant daughters with extremely high standards when it comes to boys. I have to play the single mom role for a year at a time, and wonder how on EARTH my mom did it for 19 years, and at the end man am I glad to get a break.  But there's a bit of difference between having the fairy tale and needing to be rescued. Sometimes it's just nice to know there's someone that WILL rescue you should you ever need it, but is strong enough to stand back and let you handle things too. The true fairy tale isn't in just damsel in distress, the real prince charmings in this world, like mine, will let you fight your own battles, and rescue you if you have that damsel moment. And sometimes it takes a strong damned woman to admit they need it.

[Melca36]

In honor or Tuesday....

[Briiel]

tuppence95 wrote...

I don't consider myself very jaded at all, but it's been a looong time since I found it dreamy or fairy tale-ish to be a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued.

For me personally, that's not an appealing rp option.   Growing up in a family where girls were taught that they were supposed to grow up and let the men take care of them ... that scenario brings back all the teenage rebelliousness.  

hehe I grew up as the oldest of 4 girls. My dad was always protective of us. but he also taught us to think for ourselves and defend ourselves. >.> I learned hand to hand combat when I was 13 (YAY Military). I remember one thing my dad said to me "if a guy ever hits you ,get a big stick and hit back":O. Unfortunately because he made us such good thinkers ,we got his wit and sarcasim . (It haunts him even now when we repeat stuff back at him we heard as kids:O:O)

So for me I don't see it as a mushy romance. I see it as Alistair has high morales (chantry boy) so he is gonna be protective of his "damsel". Men in general have a built in protective mode when it comes to people they love. Wether it be a lover,family or friends. In the fairy tales that's how they protray men as well. Not so much in a sense that a woman needs a man. More of how a man treats his lady.


*edit* @Lady J: Exactly you said it better than I could:wub:

Modifié par Briiel, 12 octobre 2010 - 06:46 .

[tuppence95]

Lady Jess wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

I don't consider myself very jaded at all, but it's been a looong time since I found it dreamy or fairy tale-ish to be a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued.

For me personally, that's not an appealing rp option.   Growing up in a family where girls were taught that they were supposed to grow up and let the men take care of them ... that scenario brings back all the teenage rebelliousness.  

I was raised by a kickass independant cuz she HAD to be single mom with no such teachings. I am now a married mom of two fiercely independant daughters with extremely high standards when it comes to boys. I have to play the single mom role for a year at a time, and wonder how on EARTH my mom did it for 19 years, and at the end man am I glad to get a break.  But there's a bit of difference between having the fairy tale and needing to be rescued. Sometimes it's just nice to know there's someone that WILL rescue you should you ever need it, but is strong enough to stand back and let you handle things too. The true fairy tale isn't in just damsel in distress, the real prince charmings in this world, like mine, will let you fight your own battles, and rescue you if you have that damsel moment. And sometimes it takes a strong damned woman to admit they need it.

That was very well said.  :happy:

I just never saw it that Alistair was rescuing any of my characters.  I always saw him as a good partner, and that we supported each other.  I suppose Duncan was more of a rescuer type.

My fairytale scenario has prince charming meeting my princess in a time of adversity, and the two of them go off arm in arm to conquer the enemy so that they can live happily ever after.  The damsel in distress character is just too much like the mold my parents tried to shove me into.  Sure, everyone needs help at times and I'll gladly accept it.  But I'd better be allowed to give the same back or I get cranky.  

[Lady Jess]

Briiel wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

I don't consider myself very jaded at all, but it's been a looong time since I found it dreamy or fairy tale-ish to be a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued.

For me personally, that's not an appealing rp option.   Growing up in a family where girls were taught that they were supposed to grow up and let the men take care of them ... that scenario brings back all the teenage rebelliousness.  

hehe I grew up as the oldest of 4 girls. My dad was always protective of us. but he also taught us to think for ourselves and defend ourselves. >.> I learned hand to hand combat when I was 13 (YAY Military). I remember one thing my dad said to me "if a guy ever hits you ,get a big stick and hit back":O. Unfortunately because he made us such good thinkers ,we got his wit and sarcasim . (It haunts him even now when we repeat stuff back at him we heard as kids:O:O)

So for me I don't see it as a mushy romance. I see it as Alistair has high morales (chantry boy) so he is gonna be protective of his "damsel". Men in general have a built in protective mode when it comes to people they love. Wether it be a lover,family or friends. In the fairy tales that's how they protray men as well. Not so much in a sense that a woman needs a man. More of how a man treats his lady.


*edit* @Lady J: Exactly you said it better than I could:wub:

Hubby is going to teach me combatives when I get myself in better shape...hehe

And yes! It's how he treats a lady. I don't care who you are, a man should treat you like a lady, if he doesn't he's not a man. That doesn't mean "omg save me" it means respect.  My 17 year old SWEARS she doesn't look for boys that are like her dad. But then she absolutely will NOT tolerate a boyfriend that doesn't treat her as well as her dad treats me...lol

[Lady Jess]

tuppence95 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

I don't consider myself very jaded at all, but it's been a looong time since I found it dreamy or fairy tale-ish to be a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued.

For me personally, that's not an appealing rp option.   Growing up in a family where girls were taught that they were supposed to grow up and let the men take care of them ... that scenario brings back all the teenage rebelliousness.  

I was raised by a kickass independant cuz she HAD to be single mom with no such teachings. I am now a married mom of two fiercely independant daughters with extremely high standards when it comes to boys. I have to play the single mom role for a year at a time, and wonder how on EARTH my mom did it for 19 years, and at the end man am I glad to get a break.  But there's a bit of difference between having the fairy tale and needing to be rescued. Sometimes it's just nice to know there's someone that WILL rescue you should you ever need it, but is strong enough to stand back and let you handle things too. The true fairy tale isn't in just damsel in distress, the real prince charmings in this world, like mine, will let you fight your own battles, and rescue you if you have that damsel moment. And sometimes it takes a strong damned woman to admit they need it.

That was very well said.  :happy:

I just never saw it that Alistair was rescuing any of my characters.  I always saw him as a good partner, and that we supported each other.  I suppose Duncan was more of a rescuer type.

My fairytale scenario has prince charming meeting my princess in a time of adversity, and the two of them go off arm in arm to conquer the enemy so that they can live happily ever after.  The damsel in distress character is just too much like the mold my parents tried to shove me into.  Sure, everyone needs help at times and I'll gladly accept it.  But I'd better be allowed to give the same back or I get cranky.  

Heh yeah I give as good as I get, spoiled bastard that he is:P I often remind him he can't live without me because I'm awesome...but then he reminds me the same is true for me. Dammit...lol

But hey, he got me the tshirt that proves it!


That's pretty much how I see Alistair, he'll be there to rescue if needed, but let's your PC be strong too.

[Briiel]

Lady Jess wrote...

Briiel wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

I don't consider myself very jaded at all, but it's been a looong time since I found it dreamy or fairy tale-ish to be a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued.

For me personally, that's not an appealing rp option.   Growing up in a family where girls were taught that they were supposed to grow up and let the men take care of them ... that scenario brings back all the teenage rebelliousness.  

hehe I grew up as the oldest of 4 girls. My dad was always protective of us. but he also taught us to think for ourselves and defend ourselves. >.> I learned hand to hand combat when I was 13 (YAY Military). I remember one thing my dad said to me "if a guy ever hits you ,get a big stick and hit back":O. Unfortunately because he made us such good thinkers ,we got his wit and sarcasim . (It haunts him even now when we repeat stuff back at him we heard as kids:O:O)

So for me I don't see it as a mushy romance. I see it as Alistair has high morales (chantry boy) so he is gonna be protective of his "damsel". Men in general have a built in protective mode when it comes to people they love. Wether it be a lover,family or friends. In the fairy tales that's how they protray men as well. Not so much in a sense that a woman needs a man. More of how a man treats his lady.


*edit* @Lady J: Exactly you said it better than I could:wub:

Hubby is going to teach me combatives when I get myself in better shape...hehe

And yes! It's how he treats a lady. I don't care who you are, a man should treat you like a lady, if he doesn't he's not a man. That doesn't mean "omg save me" it means respect.  My 17 year old SWEARS she doesn't look for boys that are like her dad. But then she absolutely will NOT tolerate a boyfriend that doesn't treat her as well as her dad treats me...lol

I swore that to when I was a teen and started dating . I have since refined my tastes

[Tigress M]

Lady Jess wrote...
Rock Star Alistair Sings... 

I love that song and now you've just made my heart ache!  Poor Alistair!

[KnightofPhoenix]

*takes note* Do go on.

[tuppence95]

Lady Jess wrote...

*snip - Great tshirt!

That's pretty much how I see Alistair, he'll be there to rescue if needed, but let's your PC be strong too. 

Yes, that's the key.  I've met too many guys who think rescuer = the alpha dog. 

I think this is what makes Alistair so appealing to so many people.  Someone (Gaider, I presume) has a pretty good understanding of what many women look for in a man.  Alistair is strong, supportive, funny, understanding.  But he's not afraid to let his partner be strong too.  And he also not afraid to show that he's vulnerable and sensitive at times.  

It's what attracted me to my husband.  He can be very tough when he needs to be, but he also cries at the end of Star Wars.  And he makes me laugh.  

[Tigress M]

Sarah1281 wrote...
Maybe that's why I'm not particularly enthusiastic about it...

Great song!  Thanks for sharing. 

[Arsonistz get all the girlz]

Skyl4rk wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Re: Alistair's romance triggers ... Yeah, he does have a lot of them, but at least you have the option to ignore them.  The Leliana bug gets really annoying for characters who don't want to romance her, and it seems like there's no way to avoid them besides just not talking to her.

- Leliana: So, how is Alistair?  ...  Ohhh, the little templar has learned to play well with others!

next conversation...

- Leliana:  You and Alistair?  How could you!

- Alistair:  It's not fair to string her along.  You'd better break up with her. (Paraphrased because I've gotten in the habit of not talking to Leli when romancing Alistair, so it's been awhile since I've heard this.   )

sad breakup with Leli.  

Then next conversation...

- Leliana:  You and Alistair?  How could you!

Yeah, Leliana's a sneaky one.  On my first playthrough I was only trying to be nice to her in our conversations and little did I know some of those responses I've selected were actually romance triggers.  What's sad was I ended up getting her status to interested before Alistair's due to my zero experience w/ RPG's at that time (yes, DA:O is my first.) 

why can't the female LI's ninja my males.  Morrigan actually wanted a compliment and I had to compliment Lel non stop.  Only person that has ninjaed my males were Zev. lol

Modifié par Arsonistz get all the girlz, 12 octobre 2010 - 07:16 .

[Tigress M]

Briiel wrote...Like an equal pairing. Kind of the "I got your back" scenario[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

tuppence95 wrote...
I don't consider myself very jaded at all, but it's been a looong time since I found it dreamy or fairy tale-ish to be a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued.

Exactly on both counts! 

I do not need a man to take care of me.  I do however need/want a man that I can lean on... someone to share the load.  And someone to fill what would otherwise be an emotional void in my life.  So, it's no surprise that all of my Wardens share similar views. 

[tuppence95]

Arsonistz get all the girlz wrote...
why can't the female LI's ninja my males.  Morrigan actually wanted a compliment and I had to compliment Lel non stop.  Only person that has ninjaed my males were Zev. lol

Oh how horrible for you!  You had to compliment a women before she'd be a LI for you!  Gee, what kind of rp game is this anyway?  

[Tigress M]

Lady Jess wrote...
The true fairy tale isn't in just damsel in distress, the real prince charmings in this world, like mine, will let you fight your own battles, and rescue you if you have that damsel moment. And sometimes it takes a strong damned woman to admit they need it.

QFT!  The hardest lesson I've ever had to learn in my 41 years was that there are some things I cannot do alone.  Perhaps that's why I didn't find my own prince charming until I was nearly 30.  

[errant_knight]

tuppence95 wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

*snip - Great tshirt!

That's pretty much how I see Alistair, he'll be there to rescue if needed, but let's your PC be strong too. 

Yes, that's the key.  I've met too many guys who think rescuer = the alpha dog. 

I think this is what makes Alistair so appealing to so many people.  Someone (Gaider, I presume) has a pretty good understanding of what many women look for in a man.  Alistair is strong, supportive, funny, understanding.  But he's not afraid to let his partner be strong too.  And he also not afraid to show that he's vulnerable and sensitive at times.  

It's what attracted me to my husband.  He can be very tough when he needs to be, but he also cries at the end of Star Wars.  And he makes me laugh.  

He might not thank you for sharing that.

[tuppence95]

errant_knight wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...
It's what attracted me to my husband.  He can be very tough when he needs to be, but he also cries at the end of Star Wars.  And he makes me laugh.  

He might not thank you for sharing that.

Heh.  He doesn't embarrass very easily.  

[Aeowyn]

So...where can I get myself one of these good men then? Last one I had dumped me on my birthday lol

[errant_knight]

Aeowyn wrote...

So...where can I get myself one of these good men then? Last one I had dumped me on my birthday lol

Whoa...extra harsh.... Near as I can tell, these ladies took the last of them. Ah, well, at least there's Alistair, heh....

(Well, except for the gentlemen who frequent this thread, of course. )

Modifié par errant_knight, 12 octobre 2010 - 07:44 .