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[Reika]

Zjarcal wrote...

Reika wrote...

Probably why I didn't keep the save where I did make Harrowmont king. Couldn't stand the thought of two Eamons running around. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

It's terrifying to say the least. 

Isn't it though? Because between Harrowmont and Eamon, I could see both countries getting ruined.

Merilsell wrote...

Reika wrote...
I can understand their reactions to humans. And while I found their attitudes to my HNF annoying, they really ticked me off with the first CE I tried playing. It felt like they looked down on her even more than my human.

As
seeing it through my character's eyes, there is a reason for it. They
are kin, perhaps, yes but they are elves who have submitted to the
humans, adapted their religion and have forgotten about what it means to
be elven. City elves are willingly at the mercy of men in their cities
and this is something a Dalish elf (also my character) can't grasp and
understand. Or how Morrigan once said. "Better hardship and danger than slavery."

Yes, but the CE in question took the first chance to get out of the Alienage. It just involved slaughtering lots of humans and getting conscripted to finally get out. 


It just seemed like the Dalish expected everyone to compromise in their favor for everything, and made no attempt to even try to understand other people. I'm not saying the humans weren't horrible to the elves, they were.


Edit for ToP, just because I thought this was a cute pic.

Modifié par Reika, 16 octobre 2010 - 07:53 .

[Patchwork]

As my favourite origin is the CE one the Dalish quickly became my least liked treaty group. Doesn't help when you know the CE would be no better treated by by the Dalish than they are by the humans. Poor CE doomed to be second class citzens no matter what.

It's definitely the Deep Roads which makes me hate Orz. The politics fine but all the thaigs are too much. And then Shale wants to go to another...

Modifié par Ser Bard, 16 octobre 2010 - 07:55 .

[mellifera]

My DC Odette enjoyed taking out the trash... though Leske seems to have gotten one last laugh at the end. Jerk.



I just finished her game too (first one in like 6 months)

Her end was... interesting. Anora married Alistair but she stayed on as mistress. Ruh roh?

Modifié par yukidama, 16 octobre 2010 - 07:58 .

[tool_bot]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Caladhiel wrote...

And the Dalish are irritating (I once talked to Sarel before completing the quests - I was in such a rage after that conversation that I actually considered siding with the Werewolves. Was too much of a chicken to see it through, though -.-)

My Mage did side with the Werewolves. I thought it was going to be a tough RP decision to make, but if you play the human origin (and especially if you talk to Sarel before completing the quest), those elves sure do their best to make it easy. Plus you get Witherfang/Lady of the Forest to fight with you, which is pretty sweet.

I've never been able to bring myself to side against the Dalish. I respect them way to much. It's because they're so angry that it's easy for me to like that. Had they been all apologetic and 'please, mastah' I likely would have feed them to the wolves. I may not like that annoying story teller and Daylen wanted nothing more then to burn the whole camp to the ground, but destroying a people living exactly as he wished to be was to much.

[Reika]

yukidama wrote...

Her end was... interesting. Anora married Alistair but she stayed on as mistress. Ruh roh?

At least Alistair knows he's got someone he can trust to sleep with at night. 

[Briiel]

Having fun with the Amy outfit mod. Ali in the background looking like "women and their clothes"

[Corker]

yukidama wrote...

Sarel is an ass but it's not difficult to see why elves have a complex about such things, especially the Dalish.

Sarel's also grieving.  His wife was killed by the werewolves, so he's just a wee bit on the angry and bitter side when the Warden meets him.  Honestly, being rude to some strangers who think they can swoop in and make it all better when it can't be better any more because she's dead is... not that unreasonable.

[Reika]

Corker wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Sarel is an ass but it's not difficult to see why elves have a complex about such things, especially the Dalish.

Sarel's also grieving.  His wife was killed by the werewolves, so he's just a wee bit on the angry and bitter side when the Warden meets him.  Honestly, being rude to some strangers who think they can swoop in and make it all better when it can't be better any more because she's dead is... not that unreasonable.

I didn't remember Sarel losing his wife in any of the conversations I had. If he did, that does change my outlook on him.

[Corker]

I only got it when I played a Dalish; I don't recall exactly how I got there, but the two younger elves sitting across from you scold him for being rude, then they (or he? I don't recall) says that his wife was killed by werewolves.

ETA: Let me load up my Dalish save here... Bah, nothing between 3rd floor of Ishal and a camp save where I've already spoken to him once.  Sorry, can't do a replay easily.

ETA2: His wife is mentioned in the wiki as well, not that that's really proof or anything.

Modifié par Corker, 16 octobre 2010 - 08:16 .

[Wulfram]

Merilsell wrote...

As seeing it through my character's eyes, there is a reason for it. They are kin, perhaps, yes but they are elves who have submitted to the humans, adapted their religion and have forgotten about what it means to be elven. City elves are willingly at the mercy of men in their cities and this is something a Dalish elf (also my character) can't grasp and understand. Or how Morrigan once said. "Better hardship and danger than slavery."

[city elf] Because living in the Alienage is so easy and safe[/city elf]

I think the dalish mainly come across as unreasonable because we don't see much evidence of humans mistreating them in game.  So it seems more like they're nursing historical grudges than dealing with a current problem

[rak72]

Another reason to dislike the Dalish - if you end the curse, there is that chick who attacks you when you go back into the Brazilian forest from the camp. WTF, I just saved all of your butts, and you are going to attack me?? I don't remember Sarel talking about his wife either. I do like the dalish guy you pick up off the forest floor, and the Danylas husband.

[Schratty]

Lady Jess wrote...

Ser Alistair Scwibbles brings the smirking eyebrow of doom...

[picture]

(strange things happen when I am bored and have a drawing tablet)

Adorable WIN.


On a different note, I have a hard time going the mistress route. I'm a big believer in the "If I can't have you, no one can" philosophy...err... *nervous glancing* ;P

[tool_bot]

rak72 wrote...

Another reason to dislike the Dalish - if you end the curse, there is that chick who attacks you when you go back into the Brazilian forest from the camp. WTF, I just saved all of your butts, and you are going to attack me?

No you didn't. What you did was intervene in a fight that no one wanted you to get involved in and (possibly) cost them the life of their beloved and great leader. Now you're dragging them off to defend the very people who've hunt and kill their keepers and who've forced them from their homeland. She's pissed for very good and obvious reasons.

[tool_bot]

Wulfram wrote...

[city elf] Because living in the Alienage is so easy and safe[/city elf]

They've sacrificed their freedom and their self respect. Can't exactly demand people who've gone through the same hardships and fought for their right to be who they want respect them.

[rak72]

tool_bot wrote...

rak72 wrote...

Another reason to dislike the Dalish - if you end the curse, there is that chick who attacks you when you go back into the Brazilian forest from the camp. WTF, I just saved all of your butts, and you are going to attack me?

No you didn't. What you did was intervene in a fight that no one wanted you to get involved in and (possibly) cost them the life of their beloved and great leader. Now you're dragging them off to defend the very people who've hunt and kill their keepers and who've forced them from their homeland. She's pissed for very good and obvious reasons.

Yes I did, they would all be dead from the curse if I didn't intervene.  Further more, they aren't being dragged into a war to save the humans, they will all die in the blight if it is not stopped, as well.

Modifié par rak72, 16 octobre 2010 - 08:26 .

[rak72]

Double post
have an Alistair:

Modifié par rak72, 16 octobre 2010 - 08:25 .

[Merilsell]

Reika wrote...

Corker wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Sarel is an ass but it's not difficult to see why elves have a complex about such things, especially the Dalish.

Sarel's also grieving.  His wife was killed by the werewolves, so he's just a wee bit on the angry and bitter side when the Warden meets him.  Honestly, being rude to some strangers who think they can swoop in and make it all better when it can't be better any more because she's dead is... not that unreasonable.

I didn't remember Sarel losing his wife in any of the conversations I had. If he did, that does change my outlook on him.

Yes, Addai made a video about the talk with Sarel where this is mentioned, since Idun is a Dalish mage, he is also friendlier to her. It's a nice bit that is added when you are a Dalish. 

It just seemed like the Dalish expected everyone to compromise in their favor for everything, and made no attempt to even try to understand other people. I'm not saying the humans weren't horrible to the elves, they were.

It's complicated.

Being in my character's head for almost a year now, I have sympathy and understanding why they act this way to an outsider. But to make it short: you can't expect them to forget everything they heard and experienced over generations, only because you swooped in.

TBH They don't expect you to help them, especially if you are an outsider. They just think that you want to take advantage of them to get for what you came for (the treaty)  like they have got to known it before, from foreign people. Trust isn't something that grows overnight. It's a long and difficult process. That is why they are so surprised if you really keep your word and release the curse in the end.

[Wulfram]

tool_bot wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

[city elf] Because living in the Alienage is so easy and safe[/city elf]

They've sacrificed their freedom and their self respect. Can't exactly demand people who've gone through the same hardships and fought for their right to be who they want respect them.

[city elf]The Dalish demand that the city elves sacrifice their self respect and their faith, in return for a safer and easier life among them.  Perhaps their great great grandfather was braver than mine, but that seems a poor basis for such arrogant contempt[/city elf]

[tool_bot]

rak72 wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

No you didn't. What you did was intervene in a fight that no one wanted you to get involved in and (possibly) cost them the life of their beloved and great leader. Now you're dragging them off to defend the very people who've hunt and kill their keepers and who've forced them from their homeland. She's pissed for very good and obvious reasons.

Yes I did, they would all be dead from the curse if I didn't intervene.  Further more, they arn't being dragged into a war to save the humans, they will all die in the blight if it is not stopped, as well.

You don't know that and neither does she. What she does know is that it was their fight and no one elses and that Zathrian has lead them through terrible times before and come out victorious.

And who's homes are being protected and saved? She's being taken from her clan and made to look after human lands and homes. How can you fault someone who's recieved nothing but grief from humans for being bitter and angry about that?

[mellifera]

Dalish elves have a safe and easy life? o_O

[tool_bot]

Wulfram wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

[city elf] Because living in the Alienage is so easy and safe[/city elf]

They've sacrificed their freedom and their self respect. Can't exactly demand people who've gone through the same hardships and fought for their right to be who they want respect them.

[city elf]The Dalish demand that the city elves sacrifice their self respect and their faith, in return for a safer and easier life among them.  Perhaps their great great grandfather was braver than mine, but that seems a poor basis for such arrogant contempt[/city elf]

[Dalish Elf (at least my Dalish)] The Dalish demand you fight for you're own and what is yours. If you will not, why should anyone respect you?[/Dalish Elf]

[rak72]

tool_bot wrote...

rak72 wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

No you didn't. What you did was intervene in a fight that no one wanted you to get involved in and (possibly) cost them the life of their beloved and great leader. Now you're dragging them off to defend the very people who've hunt and kill their keepers and who've forced them from their homeland. She's pissed for very good and obvious reasons.

Yes I did, they would all be dead from the curse if I didn't intervene.  Further more, they arn't being dragged into a war to save the humans, they will all die in the blight if it is not stopped, as well.

You don't know that and neither does she. What she does know is that it was their fight and no one elses and that Zathrian has lead them through terrible times before and come out victorious.

And who's homes are being protected and saved? She's being taken from her clan and made to look after human lands and homes. How can you fault someone who's recieved nothing but grief from humans for being bitter and angry about that?

All of the Dalish hunters are dying in the infirmary, of course she knows the curse is killing them.  If the PC hadn't come along, Cammen would be all they had to defend them. Plus , the darkspwan destoy the enitre land, it becomes completely inhabiable - they don't just single out the human huts.

[Merilsell]

yukidama wrote...

Dalish elves have a safe and easy life? o_O

Heh, I thought about the same.

[The Dalish demand you fight for you're own and what is yours. If you will not, why should anyone respect you?

This.

[tool_bot]

rak72 wrote...

All of the Dalish hunters are dying in the infirmary, of course she knows the curse is killing them.  If the PC hadn't come along, Cammen would be all they had to defend them. Plus , the darkspwan destoy the enitre land, it becomes completely inhabiable - they don't just single out the human huts.

You really don't understand why she wouldn't want to help or think your Warden was all that great?