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[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Am I the only one who finds delicious irony in you making Alistair / Leliana doable, but not Alistair / Cousland?

Sound's like somone begging for a poison dagger as a midnight snack.

Especially your poison dagger, finest way to experience pain. Well, one of the finest, I am sure you have better ways.

EDIT" baah top.



I tried looking for an Ali pic, but I found this instead. So much better, no?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 octobre 2010 - 02:56 .

[Kryyptehk]

Lady Jess wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
Ok, say Sgt Alistair is in Squad A Company C and likes Private Leliana in squad b Company C. It's frowned upon due to Sgt outranking private, but since they're in different squads, it's doable. However, if Sgt Alistair loves Captain Cousland, he's crap out of luck til one of them is out of the military. Officer+ Enlisted = NO. Enlisted+Enlisted= ok if they aren't in direct command of each other.

Am I the only one who finds delicious irony in you making Alistair / Leliana doable, but not Alistair / Cousland?

-shrug- Makes sense. If Alistair wasn't romancable, I probably would have shipped him with Leliana because that would be adorable lol.

I wonder what will happen with Commander Warden and regular, non King Alistair?

I'm going to say he'd be co-commander, so at least officer rank as wekk.

I think that he should be co-Commander. If he isn't, it really wouldn't make any sense. Maybe it will elaborate on that in DA2.

[tool_bot]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...



I tried looking for an Ali pic, but I found this instead. So much better, no?

Oh yeah. Burn you judgemental passive aggressive old twit!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Especially your poison dagger, finest way to experience pain. Well, one of the finest, I am sure you have better ways.

Once again, your smooth talking eloquence has dampened my wrath.

And I'll donate the ToP Ali-pic:

[Riona45]

Ouch! Don't hold back, guys, tell us how you *really* feel about Wynne.

Modifié par Riona45, 18 octobre 2010 - 02:58 .

[Briiel]

tool_bot wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

What if two soldiers get married and they are at the same level as each other? Are they not allowed to consumate their marriage?

You can. You can pretty much marry anyone you like. It's just a really bad idea. Like a really bad idea. For everyone. You, her, your respective chain of command and your families. 

It happened enough when I was in, and the solution was to move one of the spouses to another unit outside of their chain of command. Problem solved.

I meant as far as relationships go. I haven't seen a marraige between two Marines work yet. 

Ain't that the truth ! I know a couple he came back from Iraq told his wife she was ugly and left her for a girlfriend he met at a bar.

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
Maybe he knew that whatever he would say wouldn't help. Then again, he could've just ordered Duncan to drag her away

If I had the choice, I would have knocked her unconscious and dragged her away.

I know the conversation has moved past, but, honestly, what would be the point of that?  If you do, none of you are mkaing it out of the castle.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
Maybe he knew that whatever he would say wouldn't help. Then again, he could've just ordered Duncan to drag her away

If I had the choice, I would have knocked her unconscious and dragged her away.

I know the conversation has moved past, but, honestly, what would be the point of that?  If you do, none of you are mkaing it out of the castle.

Why not? Carrying an unconscious woman is not like trying to drag out a severily injured man who apparently wouldn't even survive the standing.

In that situation, unless it's obviously clear that we wouldn't make it out if I tried to save her (which I don't think is the case here), then I would try all I can to save my mother from something potentially very horrible, including knocking her out.

[Lady Jess]

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
Maybe he knew that whatever he would say wouldn't help. Then again, he could've just ordered Duncan to drag her away

If I had the choice, I would have knocked her unconscious and dragged her away.

I know the conversation has moved past, but, honestly, what would be the point of that?  If you do, none of you are mkaing it out of the castle.

Not to mention, what is going to happen at Ostagar? Either she stays and dies with her husband, or your Cousland lives with the guilt of e4scaping Ostagar and leaving her to die. Either way Mom loses. At least the way it stands she's with the man she loves.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...
Not to mention, what is going to happen at Ostagar? Either she stays and dies with her husband, or your Cousland lives with the guilt of e4scaping Ostagar and leaving her to die. Either way Mom loses. At least the way it stands she's with the man she loves.

That's metagaming, you don't know that.
And why does she have to be at Ostagar? She could find safe haven in a village.

[Kryyptehk]

Lady Jess wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
Maybe he knew that whatever he would say wouldn't help. Then again, he could've just ordered Duncan to drag her away

If I had the choice, I would have knocked her unconscious and dragged her away.

I know the conversation has moved past, but, honestly, what would be the point of that?  If you do, none of you are mkaing it out of the castle.

Not to mention, what is going to happen at Ostagar? Either she stays and dies with her husband, or your Cousland lives with the guilt of e4scaping Ostagar and leaving her to die. Either way Mom loses. At least the way it stands she's with the man she loves.

Bryce should have atleast made an honest attempt. His current one is rather...half-hearted.

[Briiel]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
Not to mention, what is going to happen at Ostagar? Either she stays and dies with her husband, or your Cousland lives with the guilt of e4scaping Ostagar and leaving her to die. Either way Mom loses. At least the way it stands she's with the man she loves.

That's metagaming, you don't know that.
And why does she have to be at Ostagar? She could find safe haven in a village.

yeah because you do travel down to Ostagar so what's to say that you couldn't drop her off at Lothering or Red Cliff:(

[LadyDamodred]

Well, I got the impression the situation was pretty close, as you hear the sounds of fighting as Duncan is pulling you away. Carrying an unconscious woman is going to slow you down a lot, especially if you need to be sneaky.

Also, Eleanor is an adult, a teyrna and your mother. If she chooses to meet her end by buying them time by fighting, and by doing so, ensure that her child escapes, who are you to take that choice from her?

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 18 octobre 2010 - 03:07 .

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
Not to mention, what is going to happen at Ostagar? Either she stays and dies with her husband, or your Cousland lives with the guilt of e4scaping Ostagar and leaving her to die. Either way Mom loses. At least the way it stands she's with the man she loves.

That's metagaming, you don't know that.
And why does she have to be at Ostagar? She could find safe haven in a village.

Ok yeah it is, but still.

This is Eleanor we're talking about. If you somehow drag her from Bryce, do you really think she's going to go ANYWHERE but where her children are? She's not going to leave your side, and certainly she would insist on getting to Ostagar to be with Fergus when HE gets the news. And would YOU ditch your own mother at some village with unknowns? With more of Howe's men possibly looking for you? Or worse, at the mercy of the bandits and darkspawn?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The thing to remember with Elanor is that she's a fighter, not some frail old lady. She can handle herself well enough. It would be an insult to drag her away from her husband when she would rather choose to go out fighting by his side.



A terrible situation to be in, but I do not think I could force her to come with me, even if I could.

[Lady Jess]

Briiel wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
Not to mention, what is going to happen at Ostagar? Either she stays and dies with her husband, or your Cousland lives with the guilt of e4scaping Ostagar and leaving her to die. Either way Mom loses. At least the way it stands she's with the man she loves.

That's metagaming, you don't know that.
And why does she have to be at Ostagar? She could find safe haven in a village.

yeah because you do travel down to Ostagar so what's to say that you couldn't drop her off at Lothering or Red Cliff:(

O.o Drop your mother off at Redcliffe, which has been ripped apart by a demon, or Lothering which is plagued by bandits, woves, and spiders with the blight threatening to take it?

[Kryyptehk]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

The thing to remember with Elanor is that she's a fighter, not some frail old lady. She can handle herself well enough. It would be an insult to drag her away from her husband when she would rather choose to go out fighting by his side.

A terrible situation to be in, but I do not think I could force her to come with me, even if I could.

But even if you couldn't I would still like the chance too.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Well, I got the impression the situation was pretty close, as you hear the sounds of fighting as Duncan is pulling you away. Carrying an unconscious woman is going to slow you down a lot, especially if you need to be sneaky.

Also, Eleanor is an adult, a teyrna and your mother. If she chooses to meet her end by buying them time by fighting, and by doing do, ensure that her child escapes, who are you to take that choice from her?

I didn't get that impression. The conversation we had dragged for a few minutes. And Duncan is there to ensure protection. I don't think saving Eleanor would have reduced our chances by so much that it wouldn't be worth trying to save her.

I would have been her son and when her husband is unable, I am the one supposed to protect her and I would do that by any means necessary. I would never contemplate leaving my mother behind so she can cover my back, potentially risking torture and worse, rape. I could never live with msyelf if I didn't even try saving my mother, her honor, my honor and the honor of our family. 

Unless it was obviously clear that she can't go anywhere due to a very severe injury. Then I'd contemplate mercy killing.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...
This is Eleanor we're talking about. If you somehow drag her from Bryce, do you really think she's going to go ANYWHERE but where her children are? She's not going to leave your side, and certainly she would insist on getting to Ostagar to be with Fergus when HE gets the news. And would YOU ditch your own mother at some village with unknowns? With more of Howe's men possibly looking for you? Or worse, at the mercy of the bandits and darkspawn?

Ok, so she goes to Ostagar. How am I to know what's going to happen there?

I am talkign about having the choice to knock her out in that room. I don't have time to think about the war or anythign else except watching my mother throwing her life without an obvious need to do so.

[tuppence95]

Besides, Eleanor was a fighter.  She knew what she was doing, and she chose to stand and fight to give her daughter or son the few extra moments they needed to get away.  She wasn't only staying to be with Bryce.

[Sarah1281]

Lady Jess wrote...

Briiel wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...
Not to mention, what is going to happen at Ostagar? Either she stays and dies with her husband, or your Cousland lives with the guilt of e4scaping Ostagar and leaving her to die. Either way Mom loses. At least the way it stands she's with the man she loves.

That's metagaming, you don't know that.
And why does she have to be at Ostagar? She could find safe haven in a village.

yeah because you do travel down to Ostagar so what's to say that you couldn't drop her off at Lothering or Red Cliff:(

O.o Drop your mother off at Redcliffe, which has been ripped apart by a demon, or Lothering which is plagued by bandits, woves, and spiders with the blight threatening to take it?

She wouldn't have to stay at Redcliffe and the attacks don't start until after Teagan gets back from Denerim which he doesn't do until Loghain has time to even get there post-Ostagar and she'd have even less reason to stay in Lothering (not to mention she's hardly helpless).

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Kryyptehk wrote...


But even if you couldn't I would still like the chance too.

I wouldn't. It would, at least for me, break the seriousness and dire situation of the Human Noble origin. You can't really be last of your line if your mother is tucked away safely. And it truly hits home more knowing your whole family is dead, or will soon be (Fergus) when Duncan drags you off to Ostagar.

You are now a Grey Warden, and the last Cousland that you know of. It emphasises the gravity of the situation.

[Sarah1281]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...


But even if you couldn't I would still like the chance too.

I wouldn't. It would, at least for me, break the seriousness and dire situation of the Human Noble origin. You can't really be last of your line if your mother is tucked away safely. And it truly hits home more knowing your whole family is dead, or will soon be (Fergus) when Duncan drags you off to Ostagar.

You are now a Grey Warden, and the last Cousland that you know of. It emphasises the gravity of the situation.

Your mother is far too old to have children and isn't a blood-Cousland which still puts carrying on your family name on your shoulders (until you ruin that by undertaking the Joining).

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...


But even if you couldn't I would still like the chance too.

I wouldn't. It would, at least for me, break the seriousness and dire situation of the Human Noble origin. You can't really be last of your line if your mother is tucked away safely. And it truly hits home more knowing your whole family is dead, or will soon be (Fergus) when Duncan drags you off to Ostagar.

You are now a Grey Warden, and the last Cousland that you know of. It emphasises the gravity of the situation.

Yes, for story reasons, it makes it more dramatic and tragic. But I wish they could have made it more obvious that she needed to stay there. Perhaps if she too was injured or something.

Because honestly, I always end up feeling like a jerk in that scene. At least give us the chance to actually try, and then have Duncan pull us by force or something.

[Kryyptehk]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...


But even if you couldn't I would still like the chance too.

I wouldn't. It would, at least for me, break the seriousness and dire situation of the Human Noble origin. You can't really be last of your line if your mother is tucked away safely. And it truly hits home more knowing your whole family is dead, or will soon be (Fergus) when Duncan drags you off to Ostagar.

You are now a Grey Warden, and the last Cousland that you know of. It emphasises the gravity of the situation.

Yeah, but I don't really think your character wants to be the last of their line. I'm talking about from the character's stand point. Arden wouldn't just allow her mother to die for a couple of more seconds. Maybe it's because of the infinite amount of time you could stand around and not get attacked, but I didn't really feel the urgency of the situation. And after the long, tearful goodbye (in which nothing else happened), it didn't feel like we were about to die. So her sacrifice felt worthless.

(I'm just saying this in retrospec. It's never bothered me that much while playing. I wouldn't care enough to complain about it or anything.)

Modifié par Kryyptehk, 18 octobre 2010 - 03:19 .