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[Aeowyn]

inclemency wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

inclemency wrote...

And wasn't there the explanation somewhere about why Connor could be saved? Was it morrigan who explained? I cannot recall who did, but the explanation was given somewhere by someone. Lol, how is that for remembering accurately?  It was what Aeowyn said, that Connor was an unwilling host, therefore it could be reversed.

If you dont let Jowan help Morrigan explains out the whole situation, saw it on my last run.

Ah, thanks, couldn't for the life of me picture who it was 

And if you don't have Morrigan with you and don't let Jowan help and you're a mage YOU can even explain it.

I honestly feel that the Harrowing is very extreme. Just because they failed it then wouldn't mean that they would fail it next time. Surely they would've learnt their lesson and been more causcious.

Also, another thing that bugs me is this:

According to Gaider, mages who struggle against demons and still get possessed transform into abominations.

I would assume then, that mages who make a deal with the demon don't get turned into abominations (like Uldred).
If a mage let the demon in during the Harrowing, how the hell would the Templars know that they failed if the mage in question hasn't transformed? 

Edit: ToP derp

Modifié par Aeowyn, 18 octobre 2010 - 07:52 .

[nos_astra]

Yankee23 wrote...

IIRC (and I may not be) isn't there an option at the end of the harrowing to agree to deal with the demon in some way? Has anyone ever tried it?

I tried, it's impossible for Amell/Surana to fail. The curse of awesome.

[inclemency]

klarabella wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

IIRC (and I may not be) isn't there an option at the end of the harrowing to agree to deal with the demon in some way? Has anyone ever tried it?

I tried, it's impossible for Amell/Surana to fail. The curse of awesome.

Lol!

Since I'm limited in screenshots, I'll repost the mild derp

Modifié par inclemency, 18 octobre 2010 - 07:53 .

[Yankee23]

@Klarabella...What happens?

[Sarah1281]

klarabella wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

IIRC (and I may not be) isn't there an option at the end of the harrowing to agree to deal with the demon in some way? Has anyone ever tried it?

I tried, it's impossible for Amell/Surana to fail. The curse of awesome.

Yeah, this is as close as you can get.

Mouse: You defeated a demon, you completed your test. With time, you will be a master enchanter with no equal. And maybe there's hope in that for someone as small and as... forgotten as me. If you want to help. There may be a way for me to leave here, to get a foothold outside. You just need to want to let me in.
PC: I'll find mages away from the templars. We'll get you out.
Mouse: No, no, <emp>no</emp>! It must be your choice. Quickly now, the templars are going to kill you. Can't you feel the sword at your neck? They believe all magic evil, the Fade evil. Once you are here, you become what they fear.
(PC: Maybe they are right about some things.
Mouse: They know nothing! Dipping children in the Fade to tease, repeating "Maker" like it means something. I hate those mortals so much! I mean, we're all mortal, but the templars... )
(PC: Like you. Were you ever really an apprentice?
Mouse: What? Yes! Of course! I mean, I think I was. Isn't that enough? It should be enough! For you.) 
Mouse: Maybe they are right about you. Simple killing is a warrior's job. The real dangers of the fade are preconceptions, careless trust... pride.

Then he transforms. Mouse just can't hold it together long enough to lure in even the most gullible of mages.

[Yankee23]

Ah, so it doesn't actually go anywhere, thanks Sarah.

Have some frozen derp!

Modifié par Yankee23, 18 octobre 2010 - 07:58 .

[Aeowyn]

Lol it would've been the shortest origin ever wouldn't it?



Demon: I want to possess you

Amell/Surana: Okay!

*wakes up*

Templars: ATTACK!

Your journey ends here

[Giggles_Manically]

Double Derp

[Addai]

Tigress M wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
Actually, if you're possessed you could still be saved (a la Connor). Granted, that's not going to happen at the Circle (or anywhere else really, Connor was simply an exception) but in that sense, being possessed can at least be reversed. So being made Tranquil is worse to me. Like I said, just kill me.

I've always wondered why Connor can be saved but other mages can't.  I suppose it could be because he's a child and the circle doesn't hold him responsible for his actions, unlike adult mages undergoing the Harrowing, but is that really the reason?  

And along those lines, there is one flaw in the storyline that drives me batty.  When you're talking to Wynne about abominations she brings up the fact that it can't be undone... when in fact it can.  I just want to slap her upside the head and say "Hello???  Remember Connor? The one you JUST heard me mention???"

Well, we don't really know that Connor was saved for good.  Hints in the game are that he's going to have problems down the line, not with the same demon if you killed her but in general.  So the position of the Circle is sort of a failsafe.  If a mage can't handle demon temptation, they have to be taken out.  Maybe you could save them out of that situation and then make them tranquil, but in order to do that you would have to risk the life of another mage.  The fact that there is a Warden who has a mage willing to risk her life for Connor is what's really different about those situations.

All of which makes it even more reasonable that the Warden decides that killing Connor is the safest, "cleanest," albeit very horrible, way to resolve the situation.

P.S. And all of which makes we wish we could tell Alistair, when he says "I'm glad we're doing it this way, it's really the best option".... "that's easy for you to say, pal."

Modifié par Addai67, 18 octobre 2010 - 08:04 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Aeowyn wrote...

Lol it would've been the shortest origin ever wouldn't it?

Demon: I want to possess you
Amell/Surana: Okay!
*wakes up*
Templars: ATTACK!
Your journey ends here

Win.
Simple
Epic
Win.

[inclemency]

Different subject. I've just got to say that I'm having such a fun time in this game. Playing on Nightmare, Random Age set at '3' so the party actually has to bash for a bit before mobs go down. My PC is a Cousland Mage (have the Adopted mod); and I installed the Polygamy mod so my PC can be (and most certainly is) in a romance with both Alistair and with Zev.

[tmp7704]

PC: Maker's breath Oghren, where's your pants
Oghren: schleets!
PC: wha-
Oghren: SCHLEE- i mean, soddin' dog stole them. again.
Dog: *hurt whine*
Sten: ...
PC: I hear you, Sten. I so hear you.

(female version is going to take a while since well, don't think they'd enjoy going around topless as much as men in the camp would

[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...

P.S. And all of which makes we wish we could tell Alistair, when he says "I'm glad we're doing it this way, it's really the best option".... "that's easy for you to say, pal."

So true.

It's the main reason why I don't do the blood ritual, even if I'd prefer to sacrifice Isolde's life over Connor's. I feel terrible sending Morrigan alone into the Fade. If I'm if I'm playing a mage I'd do it myself but since I let Jowan run away, that's not an option (and neither is the ridiculous third option).

[Zjarcal]

tmp7704 wrote...


*snip*

PC: Maker's breath Oghren, where's your pants
Oghren: schleets!
PC: wha-
Oghren: SCHLEE- i mean, soddin' dog stole them. again.
Dog: *hurt whine*
Sten: ...
PC: I hear you, Sten. I so hear you.

(female version is going to take a while since well, don't think they'd enjoy going around topless as much as men in the camp would

I love it!! And there will be pants for females? Yay!!!

For the record, my F!Warden wouldn't mind running around topless... 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 18 octobre 2010 - 08:37 .

[inclemency]

tmp7704 wrote...




PC: Maker's breath Oghren, where's your pants
Oghren: schleets!
PC: wha-
Oghren: SCHLEE- i mean, soddin' dog stole them. again.
Dog: *hurt whine*
Sten: ...
PC: I hear you, Sten. I so hear you.

(female version is going to take a while since well, don't think they'd enjoy going around topless as much as men in the camp would

Pants!!!! I see pants!  :wub:

[Aeowyn]

*drools*

[Yankee23]

tmp7704 wrote...


[sniped the awesome pants!]

PC: Maker's breath Oghren, where's your pants
Oghren: schleets!
PC: wha-
Oghren: SCHLEE- i mean, soddin' dog stole them. again.
Dog: *hurt whine*
Sten: ...
PC: I hear you, Sten. I so hear you.

(female version is going to take a while since well, don't think they'd enjoy going around topless as much as men in the camp would

 PANTS!!!!

[Addai]

tmp7704 wrote...


PC: Maker's breath Oghren, where's your pants
Oghren: schleets!
PC: wha-
Oghren: SCHLEE- i mean, soddin' dog stole them. again.
Dog: *hurt whine*
Sten: ...
PC: I hear you, Sten. I so hear you.

(female version is going to take a while since well, don't think they'd enjoy going around topless as much as men in the camp would

LOL  tmp, your mod promotions are almost as fun as your mods.


Apropos nothing just saw this on dA, by aimo.  Eee, Duncan

[mellifera]

Zjarcal wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...


*snip*

PC: Maker's breath Oghren, where's your pants
Oghren: schleets!
PC: wha-
Oghren: SCHLEE- i mean, soddin' dog stole them. again.
Dog: *hurt whine*
Sten: ...
PC: I hear you, Sten. I so hear you.

(female version is going to take a while since well, don't think they'd enjoy going around topless as much as men in the camp would

I love it!! And there will be pants for females? Yay!!!

For the record, my F!Warden wouldn't mind running around topless... 

Rofl, my current Warden would too, but I force her to put some clothes on if she wants to keep on exploding things and bringing out her murderknife at every occasion.

[Addai]

Another nice one from dA.  Two female elves are the artist's PC and a PC of a friend of hers.  So, Alistair gets double elf action, I guess- score!

Modifié par Addai67, 18 octobre 2010 - 08:45 .

[tuppence95]

 :wizard:

We love you tmp!  Thanks!

[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
Actually, if you're possessed you could still be saved (a la Connor). Granted, that's not going to happen at the Circle (or anywhere else really, Connor was simply an exception) but in that sense, being possessed can at least be reversed. So being made Tranquil is worse to me. Like I said, just kill me.

I've always wondered why Connor can be saved but other mages can't.  I suppose it could be because he's a child and the circle doesn't hold him responsible for his actions, unlike adult mages undergoing the Harrowing, but is that really the reason?  

And along those lines, there is one flaw in the storyline that drives me batty.  When you're talking to Wynne about abominations she brings up the fact that it can't be undone... when in fact it can.  I just want to slap her upside the head and say "Hello???  Remember Connor? The one you JUST heard me mention???"

Well, we don't really know that Connor was saved for good.  Hints in the game are that he's going to have problems down the line, not with the same demon if you killed her but in general.  So the position of the Circle is sort of a failsafe.  If a mage can't handle demon temptation, they have to be taken out.  Maybe you could save them out of that situation and then make them tranquil, but in order to do that you would have to risk the life of another mage.  The fact that there is a Warden who has a mage willing to risk her life for Connor is what's really different about those situations.

All of which makes it even more reasonable that the Warden decides that killing Connor is the safest, "cleanest," albeit very horrible, way to resolve the situation.

P.S. And all of which makes we wish we could tell Alistair, when he says "I'm glad we're doing it this way, it's really the best option".... "that's easy for you to say, pal."

One of the dialogues with Irving says the only reason sending a mage in there and confronting a demon works this time is the mage (in this case Connor) williing gave himself to the demon (for whatever reasons). He also goes on to say he's glad we are choosing this option as slaying a small boy like this would be a tragedy.  It makes me believe that things do work out well for him (and his ending card says he passes the Harrowing without difficulty).  Since I saw no other hints (aside from Eamon's broken lines which show up even if you kill Connor) that there was trouble a'brewing behind the scenes, I'm gonna consider it a 'save', regardless of what method you used to enter the Fade.
I've only killed the boy once and then I had to have Isolde do it. That's one horrible wretched scene.  The only thing that hurt more for me was when I accidentally murder knifed Dog.

[MageTarot]

*pops in after a busy weekend and a difficult Monday at work*

I see London
I see France
I see Ali's in tight pants! 


*hope to be back a bit later after dinner. Have fun! *

[mellifera]

I want to ride a bear too...

[inclemency]

You are wonderful, tmp!